Good, viable, or barely playable? I want to like them, but they seem extremely limited because of lack of mobility. What's the verdict now that people have been playing with them?

"finale verdict"? They have only been out a couple months...... They are barely tapped.

Dlt storm troopers have similar damage with similar cost with more mobility. That's not to say ewebs aren't worth taking but I think they should only be considered if corps are full.

9 minutes ago, Qark said:

Dlt storm troopers have similar damage with similar cost with more mobility. That's not to say ewebs aren't worth taking but I think they should only be considered if corps are full.

Or if you can't spare the points for the DLT but can spare the points to upgrade a naked back-line stormtrooper squad to the E-Web.

We know that things can look good on paper, but be crap on the table (T-47 I’m looking at you), but the E-Web at the very least shouldn’t be discounted because of its low price.

A unit of Stormtroopers (the yardstick of Troops) with DLT cost 68 points, 13 points more than the E-Web. Even if the E-Web is seen as a filler for when you can’t afford anything else cause points were tight, that gives it value. Taking a unit of 4 Stormtroopers instead may be able to help claim objectives, but without the DLT, they’re effectively neutered as far as damage output goes.

So really it’s low cost and reasonable damage output will keep it relevant, until something better comes along, whether we learn how to use it well or not.

Yeah, they're mostly cheap filler. One point in their favor is that they don't lose firepower due to lost wounds, but the loss of mobility confines them to a support role. Which was probably intentional.

The generators are generally a bad idea- Just keep them cheap so you can spend points on other things.

I haven’t bought one yet, but my consensus having played them is they’re what you use when you can’t afford a dlt stormtrooper unit, or your playing an operation where it’s desirable to maintain that firepower regardless of wounds until death (such as a “gain VP for enemies killed” operation).

Point of clarification on objectives - they are still useful for 3 of 5 objectives in the pool of deck - they just can’t claim supplies or sabotage/repair vapor stores. This means they’re decent at key positions. They’re unlikely to contribute to breakthrough aside from slowing your opponent down, and depending on your deployment they could really help lock down a transmission relay.

I’d probably never place a gennie on one. I’d consider hq uplink if I was really looking to not pollute my order pool, though once Palp is in hand I could just put those points on Veers with improvised orders (or, a Palp list probably doesn’t care because the non-troops will get issued all the orders leaving the random pool not so random)

….tell me more!...

If you are painting a huge Hoth themed collection they just greatly increased the options for your in-game armies. Therefore the final verdict: THEY ARE AWESOME.

14 hours ago, Qark said:

Dlt storm troopers have similar damage with similar cost with more mobility. That's not to say ewebs aren't worth taking but I think they should only be considered if corps are full.

If by Similar you mean: More expensive (68 points minimum)

4x white surge is 1.5 expected hit/crit

2x red surge is 1.75

3.25 total (20.9 points per hit/crit)

Eweb is 55 points and does

1x red surge crit (.875), 2x Black surge crit (1.25) and 2x white surge crit (.75) for 2.875 total (19.1 points per hit/crit).

More importantly, the E-web doesn’t lose any damage when it receives damage, the Stormtrooper squad does.

I think if you run them naked that’s probably the best way to do it. Personally faced them in tourneys and they didn’t do very much, but maybe they weren’t played properly. Easy to suppress and lose their standby so it’s hard to get attacks off with them if your opponent just avoids getting in range. Only 4 hp, so they can get taken out in one shot if caught in the open

13 hours ago, lukecook said:

I think if you run them naked that’s probably the best way to do it. Personally faced them in tourneys and they didn’t do very much, but maybe they weren’t played properly. Easy to suppress and lose their standby so it’s hard to get attacks off with them if your opponent just avoids getting in range. Only 4 hp, so they can get taken out in one shot if caught in the open

I think you may find position is of great importance, and may not yet be well understood for stationary units by the general player base.

13 hours ago, lukecook said:

I think if you run them naked that’s probably the best way to do it.

Yeah because I mostly view them as a way to fill up my 800 points when I can't fit another squad of snowtroopers into my list but don't want to get rid of anything either. By the time I start upgrading them I could afford to take speeder bikes or more troops or whatever. Although I'll probably add one per list no matter what just cause they look cool.

I'm still in the purely theoretical phase of them though, since I can't prime anything due to weather. Having your artillery tied up by the weather seems very realistic though so I'm fine with that state of affairs.

2 hours ago, TauntaunScout said:

Yeah because I mostly view them as a way to fill up my 800 points when I can't fit another squad of snowtroopers into my list but don't want to get rid of anything either. By the time I start upgrading them I could afford to take speeder bikes or more troops or whatever. Although I'll probably add one per list no matter what just cause they look cool.

I'm still in the purely theoretical phase of them though, since I can't prime anything due to weather. Having your artillery tied up by the weather seems very realistic though so I'm fine with that state of affairs.

Get yourself an airbrush. Best investment I ever made and I'm just using it for priming and basecoats.

3 hours ago, Wes Janson said:

I think you may find position is of great importance, and may not yet be well understood for stationary units by the general player base.

Oh absolutely. Their deployment and positioning is critical because they are so slow and don't want to move. That is why they are so disadvantaged to a DLT storm group. When you get shots with them they are decent though.

9 hours ago, ImhotepMagi said:

Get yourself an airbrush. Best investment I ever made and I'm just using it for priming and basecoats.

I will. One of these days. I picked up two air compressors this summer. But I will still run into space and ventillation issues I think.

8 hours ago, lukecook said:

Oh absolutely. Their deployment and positioning is critical because they are so slow and don't want to move. That is why they are so disadvantaged to a DLT storm group. When you get shots with them they are decent though.

This is something I find more and more common. List tweaking has become a better payoff for chasing wins, so people across the hobby are losing that ability to deploy and maneuver effectively.

@TauntaunScout ventilation isn't really an issue unless you are spraying a LOT. A unit of 4-6 dudes can be done without a mask or fans as long as you don't stick your face right in it. Just gotta watch the over spray. If you're super worried about it, you can get a good mask for about $30.

7 hours ago, ImhotepMagi said:

@TauntaunScout ventilation isn't really an issue unless you are spraying a LOT. A unit of 4-6 dudes can be done without a mask or fans as long as you don't stick your face right in it. Just gotta watch the over spray. If you're super worried about it, you can get a good mask for about $30.

What are you using as primer? I'm really after the nasty self-adhesive chemical aspect of the sprays Which will tend to require ventilation regardless. Also some of my colors are considered toxic but only as inhalants.

One cool thing about the FFG "cards as advertising" method is, even if I don't get to paint my latest Legion stuff for awhile, I still get new upgrade cards I can play with the day I buy the minis.

1 hour ago, TauntaunScout said:

What are you using as primer? I'm really after the nasty self-adhesive chemical aspect of the sprays Which will tend to require ventilation regardless. Also some of my colors are considered toxic but only as inhalants.

One cool thing about the FFG "cards as advertising" method is, even if I don't get to paint my latest Legion stuff for awhile, I still get new upgrade cards I can play with the day I buy the minis.

Regular Vallejo surface primers, sometimes with a little thinner. I use their acrylic Air line and GW's Air line mainly. The ventilation/mask is mostly for the paint particles, and like I said unless you are spraying a lot, you don't really get buildup in the air.

I use the same basic approach as @ImhotepMagi - Vallejo surface primers through the airbrush, and GW Air (Mechanicus Standard Grey base color for the AT-ST, for example). I also use a small painting hood to catch overspray, which also has a filter to help with paint particulates in the air. Originally, I just sprayed into a cardboard box.

I picked up three of the Vallejo primers from Amazon (grey, black and white) and find that the grey is a bit thicker than the others, though I use that color 90% of the time for my priming. The gotcha I found with these is that you really do need to let the primer cure... they don't have the "etching" effect of a rattle can, so they need time to adhere properly. I wait a minimum of 24 hours before painting.

4 hours ago, Sentry71 said:

I use the same basic approach as @ImhotepMagi - Vallejo surface primers through the airbrush, and GW Air (Mechanicus Standard Grey base color for the AT-ST, for example). I also use a small painting hood to catch overspray, which also has a filter to help with paint particulates in the air. Originally, I just sprayed into a cardboard box.

I picked up three of the Vallejo primers from Amazon (grey, black and white) and find that the grey is a bit thicker than the others, though I use that color 90% of the time for my priming. The gotcha I found with these is that you really do need to let the primer cure... they don't have the "etching" effect of a rattle can, so they need time to adhere properly. I wait a minimum of 24 hours before painting.

Interesting. Interesting. My only experience with home airbrush use is very outdated and wasn't good. I was one the fence but after hearing from you all, I'll get one sometime since I finally found a deal on an air compressor. Luckily I have:

• More than 800 points painted for both factions and
• Enough stuff primed in my backlog (for other games) to keep me busy until spring

I like upgrade that allows E-Webs to become suppressive. Has anyone tinkered with a nice speed 1 list for Imperials? I'd love to get Papa P, Vader, E-Webs, and Snows to just slowly creep along and dole out suppression.

Haven't gotten my Palp or Guards yet, but I've enjoyed my ewebs so far and once you get a lot of Suppressive out, you should start seeing some results in less effective troopers.

On 11/25/2018 at 8:07 AM, TauntaunScout said:

What are you using as primer? I'm really after the nasty self-adhesive chemical aspect of the sprays Which will tend to require ventilation regardless. Also some of my colors are considered toxic but only as inhalants.

One cool thing about the FFG "cards as advertising" method is, even if I don't get to paint my latest Legion stuff for awhile, I still get new upgrade cards I can play with the day I buy the minis.

You could always just prime by hand 🙄

It’s fairly meditative ensuring there’s a nice thin coat, and since you have to wait for it to dry anyway, there’s no real time difference in finishing them up.

1 hour ago, Derrault said:

You could always just prime by hand 🙄

It’s fairly meditative ensuring there’s a nice thin coat, and since you have to wait for it to dry anyway, there’s no real time difference in finishing them up.

Been there, done that almost exclusively for about a decade, not doing it for Legion models for assorted reasons. Thanks though.