Clone Wars faction EPTs: "DEVOTED" and "TREACHEROUS"

By Bucknife, in X-Wing

We've     got Ruthless for Imps, Selfless for Rebs, Fearless for Scum, Heroic for Resistance and Fanatical for FO.

DEVOTED for Republic

TREACHEROUS for Seperatists

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french preview image, Republic:

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@dotswarlock said:

Devoted 

When another ship is located in your left or right arc at range 0-2 defends, if he has the devoted equiped, or  if it is a limited ship , and you are not stressed  , you may gain one stress token. In that case, the defender rerolls one of its blank results.

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Spanish preview image, Seperatists:

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@takfar and @RoockieBoy said:

Treacherous 

While you defend, you may choose a ship that obstructs that attack and spend 1 charge. If you do, cancel 1 HIT or CRIT result, and the chosen ship receives one [ SOBREESFUERZO, Overload ] token. 

When a ship within range 0-3  of you is destroyed, recover 1  charge.

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Seems like basically:

Clones get to buff flanking allies by potentially taking a negative effect (stress) to allow them to reroll defense die.

and,

Seperatists with a Talent slot (like Grievous, probably) get to buff themselves by debuffing some other unfortunate nearby ship with a new token or condition.

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I am mildly disappointed that Devoted won’t allow the Clones to help Jedi, but it’s probably better that way, for balance reasons.

Yeah, the fluff for Treacherous sounds amazing.

We're probably just going to have to wait and see if the droids get talent slots (the limited 1 droids with names may well, the limited 3s could go either way), but if they don't, the idea of someone like Grievous or Maul just chucking droids in the way to soak firepower is hilarious.

Do we know any more pilots for the Belbullab? What's the betting one of them is a limited 3 Magnaguard? If Grievous can just throw his bodyguards under the bus in the middle of an X-Wing game, I could get seriously tempted to get into the CIS as a faction.

1 minute ago, SpiderMana said:

I am mildly disappointed that Devoted won’t allow the Clones to help Jedi, but it’s probably better that way, for balance reasons.

In the reddit thread on this, one guy translated the missing bit from the translation above as "if they have the Devoted talent, or if it is a limited ship... "

That would suggest the clones can help the Jedi too.

Really cool if that's the final text, what a wonderfully thematic ability. Makes Selfless and Fearless seem kinda bland in comparison.

Edited by GuacCousteau

I don’t think the other pilot card looked like it said Magnaguard? But I also don’t know what other numbers/designation they have. they could very likely be saving them for a stand-alone expansion too.

I hope that’s it, because I will be flying very little outside of Jedi + 2-4 Clones 😍 😍 😍

33 minutes ago, GuacCousteau said:

In the reddit thread on this, one guy translated the missing bit from the translation above as "if they have the Devoted talent, or if it is a limited ship... "

That would suggest the clones can help the Jedi too.

It says " s'il est limité ou possède l'amelioration Dévoué", so yea, that is correct. Really clever implementation, too.

Edited by takfar
  • Devoted:

"While another friendly ship located in your left or right firing arc at range 0-2 defends, if he is ?limited? or has the Devoted upgrade and you are not constrained (new red evade token), you may gain one constrained token. In that case, the defender rerolls one of its blank results."

It's not a stress, but a new keyword/token call "Contraint" in frensh

I'd also like to give a whirl at Obi-Wan's ability - sadly I couldn't make out thr text on Grievous.

"After a friendly ship at range 0-2 spends a Focus token, you may spend one force. If you do, the other ship gains one Focus token."

Something along those lines - the text is blurry

10 minutes ago, Greebwahn said:

I'd also like to give a whirl at Obi-Wan's ability - sadly I couldn't make out thr text on Grievous.

"After a friendly ship at range 0-2 spends a Focus token, you may spend one force. If you do, the other ship gains one Focus token."

Something along those lines - the text is blurry

This is what somebody else reported—but someone also said Obi-wan himself got the focus for it. Any one have any specific reasoning to believe one way or the other?

Same words in both the start and end of the ability

1 hour ago, SpiderMana said:

This is what somebody else reported—but someone also said Obi-wan himself got the focus for it. Any one have any specific reasoning to believe one way or the other?

As far as I can tell by looking at the card, same ship that spends the focus, gains the extra focus when obi spends force. This means he can use it on himself or on someone else (not necessarily another ship)

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On 11/22/2018 at 9:01 AM, Greebwahn said:

I'd also like to give a whirl at Obi-Wan's ability - sadly I couldn't make out thr text on Grievous.

"After a friendly ship at range 0-2 spends a Focus token, you may spend one force. If you do, the other ship gains one Focus token."

Something along those lines - the text is blurry

Is it just me or does this seem like a really weak ability for one of the coolest/best Jedi in Star Wars? I really hope he at least has 3 Force points seeing as Maul has 3 Force points and Obi wan beat Maul numerous times.

i mean the ability is basically a much weaker and circumstantial perceptive co pilot that requires a force token be spent to even make use of it.

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On 11/22/2018 at 8:10 AM, SpiderMana said:

I am mildly disappointed that Devoted won’t allow the Clones to help Jedi, but it’s probably better that way, for balance reasons.

Devoted to Order 66?

On 11/22/2018 at 9:01 AM, Greebwahn said:

sadly I couldn't make out thr text on Grievous.

I believe last time this came up, it was translated "When you make a primary attack, if you are not in the defender's firing arc, you may reroll 2 dice." No mention of if they dropped the "up to" when translating, or if it's supposed to be exactly 2.

30 minutes ago, Matanui3 said:

I believe last time this came up, it was translated "When you make a primary attack, if you are not in the defender's firing arc, you may reroll 2 dice." No mention of if they dropped the "up to" when translating, or if it's supposed to be exactly 2.

The word "hasta" is included. Which I'm fairly certain indicates that you may reroll "up to" two dice.

21 minutes ago, BrotherFett said:

The word "hasta" is included. Which I'm fairly certain indicates that you may reroll "up to" two dice.

That is correct.

10 hours ago, ObiWan said:

Is it just me or does this seem like a really weak ability for one of the coolest/best Jedi in Star Wars? I really hope he at least has 3 Force points seeing as Maul has 3 Force points and Obi wan beat Maul numerous times.

i mean the ability is basically a much weaker and circumstantial perceptive co pilot that requires a force token be spent to even make use of it.

Aside from the fact that it can help himself and all his wingmates? There is little doubt in my mind that he’ll have 3 force charges.

10 hours ago, That Blasted Samophlange said:

Devoted to Order 66?

I’ve been proven wrong, actually. Only generics require Devoted to proc other instances of Devoted. It works on unique pilots as well.

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3 hours ago, SpiderMana said:

Aside from the fact that it can help himself and all his wingmates? There is little doubt in my mind that he’ll have 3 force charges.

I’ve been proven wrong, actually. Only generics require Devoted to proc other instances of Devoted. It works on unique pilots as well.

Good point about helping out team mates, and I do get that his ability does have its uses, but it seems no where near the level of Darth Vader, Luke, or Maul. Or even other top aces like Poe or Wedge.

Its a perceptive co pilot that can also be used for teammates up to range 2, but can only give another focus token when one is spent and it takes his force token to use preventing him from being able to spend it on the ship ability or on an equiped Force ability

11 minutes ago, ObiWan said:

Good point about helping out team mate  s, and I do get  that his ability does have its uses, but it seems no where near the level of Darth Vader, Luke, or Maul. Or even other top aces like Poe or Wedge.

Its a perceptive co pilot that can also be used for teammates up to range 2, but can only give another focus token when one is spent and it takes his force t  oken to use preventing him from being able to spend it on the ship ability or on an equiped Force ability 

It's hard to know how powerful the Delta 7 pilots will be in general, without knowing how purple actions work out. I'm assuming Jedi Knights will have a single charge, Anakin, Obi-Wan, and Mace will all have 3. Most of the others will have 2, though I'd almost expect at least one more with 3 charges.

Having to spend the focus first is actually better than doing it when they gain their focus to begin with. Spending a force point to grant a friendly a second focus when they focus, you're risking them sitting on one or both tokens. Spending the force point to let them keep their focus after spending it gives you much better game state knowledge before you pay the cost.

4 minutes ago, SpiderMana said:

It's hard to know how powerful the Delta 7 pilots will be in general, without knowing how purple actions work out. I'm assuming Jedi Knights will have a single charge, Anakin, Obi-Wan, and Mace will all have 3. Most of the others will have 2, though I'd almost expect at least one more with 3 charges

Just a refresher. :)

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Knights have 1 force charge. :)

2 minutes ago, Hiemfire said:

Just a refresher. :)

Knights have 1 force charge. :)

I thought about looking it up to check, but I didn't figure it was worth it 😜 Thanks!

45 minutes ago, ObiWan said:

Good point about helping out team mates, and I do get that his ability does have its uses, but it seems no where near the level of Darth Vader, Luke, or Maul. Or even other top aces like Poe or Wedge.


Well, Obi-Wan was a deeply empathetic man. He also self-reportedly hated flying and was not very skilled at it, so it probably makes sense that his ability is a synergy buff and not something that increases his own prowess.

That said, the ability is actually amazing. If you shoot at Obi-Wan, he'll (likely) have 3 Force points and his own green token to spend defensively. If you shoot at any of his allies, they'll potentially have 4 Focus tokens (1+3 from Obi-Wan) to spend defensively, making them incredibly protected. Of course, anyone who's with Obi-Wan can also spend their Focus offensively without worrying about not having it defensively.

Rebels, allegedly the "synergy faction," would kill for something as powerful and synergistic as this...

2 hours ago, AllWingsStandyingBy said:


Well, Obi-Wan was a deeply empathetic man. He also self-reportedly hated flying and was not very skilled at it, so it probably makes sense that his ability is a synergy buff and not something that increases his own prowess.

That said, the ability is actually amazing. If you shoot at Obi-Wan, he'll (likely) have 3 Force points and his own green token to spend defensively. If you shoot at any of his allies, they'll potentially have 4 Focus tokens (1+3 from Obi-Wan) to spend defensively, making them incredibly protected. Of course, anyone who's with Obi-Wan can also spend their Focus offensively without worrying about not having it defensively.

Rebels, allegedly the "synergy faction," would kill for something as powerful and synergistic as this...

I like what you are saying, you’ve almost sold me:)

But I don’t like that the friendly ships have to focus in order to make use of ObiWan’s ability, preventing them from repositioning, evading or target locking. If it had to be a similar force/focus sharing ability I would have preferred something like:

“when a friendly ship at range 0-2 engages or becomes the defender, you may spend one force to give that ship one focus token”

this would be a very similar ability but would be much more flexible and allow fully modded shots

edit: ok on 2nd thought, maybe that is too strong as it basically makes all allies into force users that can change all eyeballs to hits or evades rather than just one and....yeah that does seem slightly too strong

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2 hours ago, ObiWan said:

I, for one, am delighted that we have the man himself checking this conversation!

Sorry double post, not sure how to delete this one

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