8 minutes ago, ForceM said:I am really excited to play this ship, as to me it is the only real A-Wing in the game once it comes out. The Rebel version is really castrated by its pilot choice and the designated role as only being a blocker and... err... support ship, i guess? I know, sounds ridiculous but that's what they are at the moment.
They should really give the RZ-1 an aft arc, considering it's supposed to have the steerable cannon, too.
9 minutes ago, Ambaryerno said:They should really give the RZ-1 an aft arc, considering it's supposed to have the steerable cannon, too.
As a config maybe, or did the Phoenix squadron A-Wings get the upgrade? As a config I'm thinking replace the (V) primary with a single turret primary and rotate as a red action with the same limitations for arc (standard front and standard rear only to use the FFG arc terms). Might be a bit cludgy in game but it would fit the RZ-1's gun flip issues without going to the extreme of a die roll and it getting stuck pointing in the direction it is pointing or losing the primary as it gets stuck pointing perpendicular to the ships direction of travel depending on the result rolled.. Though that could make Outmaneuver A-Wings extinct, if anyone is taking them...
Edited by Hiemfire4 hours ago, Hiemfire said:These 2 look to have "The Abyss" style insertion of the pilot into a model separate from where the pilot was recorded (though the RZ-2 is CGI instead of the small model subs used in The Abyss).
With all due respect, images 1 and 3 show that as incorrect. The A-Wing is to proper scale in all shots. The second image is just VFX added post production, as its scale is the same.
1 minute ago, Captain Lackwit said:With all due respect, images 1 and 3 show that as incorrect. The A-Wing is to proper scale in all shots. The second image is just VFX added post production, as its scale is the same.
I think you misunderstand, just because it is CGI doesn't mean it isn't to the proper scale. The two images that I referenced look to have the pilot overlaid into the cockpit from a separate recording in post. I can't pin down the exact production artifacts I'm noticing, but they are there. Like an extremely good photoshop. Still, it doesn't mean the scale is wrong and the 3rd image is definitely a to scale mock up of an RZ-2. The scaling on the first 2 look to be the same as the third.
8 hours ago, Ambaryerno said:Nah, you'll just have to plug any destinations beyond those four in yourself, so best keep your astrogation skills up to scratch.
This is a great example of the future A-wing pilot that just graduated pilot academy and wished they had not been sleeping through that class due to being hung over from the night before and being handed the first assignment to an A-wing squadron lol.
20 hours ago, Captain Lackwit said:What I question is the survival supplies.
I mean come on. You're in an A-Wing.
Your odds are clearly in the negatives.
I mean if you blow up in space your odds suck, but it would be good to have supplies if you say... simply crashed in the wilderness.
The most dire flaw in those A-wings is that they are not piloted by someone like Pash Cracken or Tycho Celchu.... A-wings are for high grade skills pilot in the same ways of ME.262 or they are more an hindrance than an advantage. Most of the best Awing Rebel Pilots were ex Tie fighters pilots trained to high speed maneuvers rigors... it was a problem for New Republic to replace them as Thrawn shown very netly, after their smobilization.
2 hours ago, Sir Orrin said:I mean if you blow up in space your odds suck, but it would be good to have supplies if you say... simply crashed in the wilderness.
Oh please.
As if that thing would survive anything remotely resembling a crash.
On 11/21/2018 at 10:32 AM, Imperial Advisor Arem Heshvaun said:
Happy Thanksgiving you Rebel Scum!
Where is this from?
6 hours ago, Captain Lackwit said:Oh please.
As if that thing would survive anything remotely resembling a crash.
With the hull shaped as it is it actually has a fairly good chance as long as it isn't nose in (doesn't lawn dart). It'd skip allot before it slowed down though.
6 minutes ago, Hiemfire said:With the hull shaped as it is it actually has a fairly good chance as long as it isn't nose in (doesn't lawn dart). It'd skip allot before it slowed down though.
we all know the only way to stop an A-wing is to drive it through a star destroyer.
1 minute ago, Wiredin said:we all know the only way to stop an A-wing is to drive it through a star destroyer.
He lawn darted into the front face of the bridge. Took the bridge out too. If he'd not been spinning and was approaching from an angle with the nose a bit up he'd have skipped and popped the windows out of the bridge.
On 11/21/2018 at 9:38 AM, Ambaryerno said:And then you could preserve the RZ-1 as a post-Yavin design.
That will still leave stupid B-wings before Yavin, tho...
A single Prototype B-wing, that obviously went under some important design changes between the rebels episode and ROTJ when we see it.
The real crime is fully functional Tie interceptors and Defenders not present at the Death Star battle.
well the Defender factory was taken out on Lothal, and without Thrawn there to spearhead the project it probably died.
I'm guessing interceptors was because the empire had Titanic syndrome with the death star. They didn't even have any capital ships guarding it. They weren't even worried about the rebel fighters if it wasn't for them learning about the potential weakness once they analyzed their assault vector.
4 hours ago, Stefan said:Where is this from?
The Last Jedi incredible cross sections book. Availiable likely from your local library, or even Amazon.
On 11/21/2018 at 10:21 AM, Captain Lackwit said:
Definitely not very big!
Well they didn't have much screen time now did they.
8 minutes ago, Marinealver said:Well they didn't have much screen time now did they.
About as much as in Return of the Jedi, maybe slightly less.
5 hours ago, FlyingAnchors said:A single Prototype B-wing, that obviously went under some important design changes between the rebels episode and ROTJ when we see it.
One thing that should be noted, is exactly how much time a design takes to go from concept/prototype to production model. Star Wars starfighters have drawn a lot of inspiration and dogfighting style from WW2. Indeed actual space physics simply don’t apply in Star Wars fighter battles, and that’s fine. So with such themes drawn from WW2 aerial combat, parallels can be drawn in design/production timelines.
The Ilyushin Il-2 Shturmovik began mass production and was introduced in 1941. But it was designed in 1938, and the first prototype flight was in October of 1939.
Likewise the P47 Thunderbolt was in design during 1940, the first prototype flight was May of 1941, and it was first introduced in the field in November of 1942.
For comparison purposes, The Battle of Endor was 4 ABY (after Battle of Yavin). While Hoth was 3 ABY. While I’m not sure how many years prior to Yavin the B-Wing prototype arrived in Rebel hands, the timeline makes sense from a historical perspective. It would have taken years to analyze the prototype, come up with a mass production model, test-fly it, work out kinks and quirks, redsign, begin mass-production, and finally send it into the field. So for me it makes perfect sense that the B-Wing was in the development process during the Battle of Yavin.
Edited by It’s One Of Ours1 hour ago, It’s One Of Ours said:One thing that should be noted, is exactly how much time a design takes to go from concept/prototype to production model. Star Wars starfighters have drawn a lot of inspiration and dogfighting style from WW2. Indeed actual space physics simply don’t apply in Star Wars fighter battles, and that’s fine. So with such themes drawn from WW2 aerial combat, parallels can be drawn in design/production timelines.
The Ilyushin Il-2 Shturmovik began mass production and was introduced in 1941. But it was designed in 1938, and the first prototype flight was in October of 1939.
Likewise the P47 Thunderbolt was in design during 1940, the first prototype flight was May of 1941, and it was first introduced in the field in November of 1942.
For comparison purposes, The Battle of Endor was 4 ABY (after Battle of Yavin). While Hoth was 3 ABY. While I’m not sure how many years prior to Yavin the B-Wing prototype arrived in Rebel hands, the timeline makes sense from a historical perspective. It would have taken years to analyze the prototype, come up with a mass production model, test-fly it, work out kinks and quirks, redsign, begin mass-production, and finally send it into the field. So for me it makes perfect sense that the B-Wing was in the development process during the Battle of Yavin.
So we agree then!
3 hours ago, FlyingAnchors said:So we agree then!
Yes! Sorry, I should have said so at the top of the post.
6 hours ago, That Blasted Samophlange said:About as much as in Return of the Jedi, maybe slightly less.
IMHO they did way more in RotJ
TLJ couldn't even keep the bombers alive.
16 minutes ago, Marinealver said:IMHO they did way more in RotJ
TLJ couldn't even keep the bombers alive.
Let's be fair, most bombers were lost by the worst possible freak accident- a TIE Fighter that failed to pop, for once, colliding with a bomber who's literal thousand bombs were all armed and primed, ready to explode. Cue chain reaction.
34 minutes ago, Marinealver said:TLJ couldn't even keep the bombers alive.
It helped that the Resistance Bombers may be the SINGLE WORST SHIP DESIGN IN THE ENTIRE FRANCHISE.
And yes, that's the same franchise that expected THIS to be taken seriously.
18 minutes ago, Captain Lackwit said:Let's be fair, most bombers were lost by the worst possible freak accident- a TIE Fighter that failed to pop, for once, colliding with a bomber who's literal thousand bombs were all armed and primed, ready to explode. Cue chain reaction.
That wasn't an accident. It was outright negligence on the part of Slayn & Korpil's design board. And incompetence by the Resistance's procurement officer. Those death traps should never have been approved for mass production (all arming a bomb does is activate its detonator. Set off an explosion around ordinance and the ordinance is going up primed or not).
Edited by Ambaryerno8 minutes ago, Ambaryerno said:It helped that the Resistance Bombers may be the SINGLE WORST SHIP DESIGN IN THE ENTIRE FRANCHISE.
And yes, that's the same franchise that expected THIS to be taken seriously.
The TIE Wing being bad had more to do with the people who came up with the concept not understanding where the TIE's engines were than the ships they decided to mash-up for it. Disagree if you will, but weapon position and the combined engine output of both the Koensyr and the TIE engines would have enabled the ship to run laps around most of what it encountered with better chance of getting more of its shots on target than the designs it went up against. But nah.. They had this hair brained idea that the TIE/LN's engines were in the **** radiator panels and decided that the TIE Wing would suck and the Y-TIE could actually move becoming more than the shielded pseudo turret it actually would have been...
Y-TIE:
8 hours ago, Hiemfire said:The TIE Wing being bad had more to do with the people who came up with the concept not understanding where the TIE's engines were than the ships they decided to mash-up for it. Disagree if you will, but weapon position and the combined engine output of both the Koensyr and the TIE engines would have enabled the ship to run laps around most of what it encountered with better chance of getting more of its shots on target than the designs it went up against. But nah.. They had this hair brained idea that the TIE/LN's engines were in the **** radiator panels and decided that the TIE Wing would suck and the Y-TIE could actually move becoming more than the shielded pseudo turret it actually would have been...
Y-TIE:
Or by slapping the Y-wing engine pods on it, they had to remove the TIE fighter's engines to make room for enlarged fuel tanks, cooling systems, power plants, or any number of OTHER equipment necessary to actually operate them.
This is why most fan designs infuriate me (especially the tidal wave of "Super TIEs" that flooded fan sites in the 90s). The designers don't stop and think how what they're designing would actually WORK, and just slapped guns, engines, etc. on willy-nilly and it would automagically get the performance they wanted.