16 minutes ago, Indy_com said:

I can only assume you're counting the Commando Unit and the Commando Strike Team as 2 separate Spec-Ops, because otherwise the Pathfinders are the third Spec-Ops option available.

Wookiee warriors are a Special Forces unit also.

1 minute ago, NeonWolf said:

Wookiee warriors are a Special Forces unit also.

Rebel Commandos, Wookie Warriors and Pathfinders.

That's three options.

If you were counting the Commandos as 2 separate Spec-Ops options, then there would be four.

Yes, I counted the commandos as 2 seperate units, the strike team and the full unit, should have mentioned that.

I think they are 2 very diffrent units with different playstyle, roles etc so counted them as 2 seperate units.

Yeah, I generally think of the two ways to play the Commandos (or Scouts) as two separate units, as they are. (That was the great thing about the Commandos/Scouts, one box gives you two units!) It is interesting that we will be having several options for special forces once Pathfinders/Death Troopers come out. Hopefully there will be some more corps in the not too distant future (Hoth Troopers, Imperial Navy Troopers, and various other options are out there).

Do you reckon that the Rebel Vanguard might be coming down the line at some point? Maybe with two heavy weapon troopers to take a heavy support slot to balance out against the Imperial tank everyone suspects is coming.

54 minutes ago, Katarn said:

Do you reckon that the Rebel Vanguard might be coming down the line at some point?

The Rebel Vanguard are just Fleet Troopers with Rocket Launchers.

Here's their current canon design:

59 minutes ago, Indy_com said:

The Rebel Vanguard are just Fleet Troopers with Rocket Launchers.

Here's their current canon design:

Do you think he's compensating for something?

Fleet Troopers with missile launchers doesn't make much sense- you'd end up spacing yourself. Still, they do look pretty similar.

On 11/19/2018 at 9:51 PM, Praetorate of the Empire said:

So how's he going to stack up against Jyn? I mean, she's looking like she's nearly an infiltrating operative, but that is so different from Krennic. I mean, Veers is a bada** on the ground and makes sense there in the midst of Storm and Snowtroopers, but Krennic? He's more of a power-hungry bureaucrat and self-glorified R&D director, so I'm pretty sure we won't see Infiltrate come in with him. I mean, he fires off a shot or two in Rogue One, but mostly just runs around surrounded by Death Troopers. Even what I can think of as command cards for him aren't really that... aspirational. He might choke on arrival. At least he will look pretty cool in his sweet Imperial uniform.

Death troopers, on the other hand, should be sweet. They are the elite bodyguards for Imperial VIPs like Tarkin, Krennic, Thrawn... Hands down, wishing it was Thrawn coming to the table rather than Krennic. But yeah, since I've been considering modding a stormtrooper to a death trooper, pretty glad to see they'll be coming onto the table.

Well, as people mentioned previously he likes to solve matters personally. I guess him being head of special weapons developement and a competent architect/engineer but being best in his handling of people and talent could be the basis to make him a very strong support oriented commander. Probably he gives some technology and special forces related bonuses.

Pretty disappointed by this TBH. Given that Jyn Erso was already dead (spoilers) by the time Luke had even heard of the force, it seems anachronistic to release this when everything else is solidly based in the original trilogy. Sure, release it, but later when everything from the OT has been covered. Lando, anyone?

2 minutes ago, Abwehrschlacht said:

Pretty disappointed by this TBH. Given that Jyn Erso was already dead (spoilers) by the time Luke had even heard of the force, it seems anachronistic to release this when everything else is solidly based in the original trilogy. Sure, release it, but later when everything from the OT has been covered. Lando, anyone?

they have to make money and im guessing R1 has a pretty good following.

I dont mind it at all regards the OT etc...dosnt matter at what point during the rebellion people die if they make it into the game surely?

4 minutes ago, VAYASAN said:

dosnt matter at what point during the rebellion people die if they make it into the game surely?

It does it you're trying to create a force thematically. It's like playing Second World War games with Vickers Light tanks facing off against Tiger IIs...

9 minutes ago, VAYASAN said:

they have to make money and im guessing R1 has a pretty good following.

I dont mind it at all regards the OT etc...dosnt matter at what point during the rebellion people die if they make it into the game surely?

There is a Cassian Andor TV Series coming out next year, so they're putting out the Rogue One stuff now to coincide with it.

3 minutes ago, Abwehrschlacht said:

It does it you're trying to create a force thematically. It's like playing Second World War games with Vickers Light tanks facing off against Tiger IIs...

Have you heard of a Miniatures game called Bolt Action.

You can field a MK IV against the Maus if you want.

45 minutes ago, Abwehrschlacht said:

It does it you're trying to create a force thematically. It's like playing Second World War games with Vickers Light tanks facing off against Tiger IIs...

But theres still nothing stopping you make a force thematically is there? You could make Jyns R1 group...pathfinders and all...you could go with an endor force....whatever you want?

46 minutes ago, Indy_com said:

Have you heard of a Miniatures game called Bolt Action.

You can field a MK IV against the Maus if you want.

Yes, I have and I wouldn't do that either.

6 minutes ago, VAYASAN said:

But theres still nothing stopping you make a force thematically is there? You could make Jyns R1 group...pathfinders and all...you could go with an endor force....whatever you want?

I'm not interested in Rouge 1, so I would prefer it if they finished off the original trilogy stuff, then went on to the extra sauce. It's just my opinion, but it just seems like chopping and changing too soon.

1 hour ago, Abwehrschlacht said:

It does it you're trying to create a force thematically. It's like playing Second World War games with Vickers Light tanks facing off against Tiger IIs...

It's a problem I have with my Japanese a lot of the time- our armies are always themed but even vehicles from the same period wouldn't have faced off against each other. That's partly why I went with an infantry division.

In any case, I welcome the chance to drill a burning hole through the head of young Miss Erso via the Bryer Pistol I converted for my commander. It seems... fitting.

2 hours ago, Abwehrschlacht said:

It does it you're trying to create a force thematically. It's like playing Second World War games with Vickers Light tanks facing off against Tiger IIs...

Maybe the Brits just had to use whatever was around.

19 minutes ago, Jabby said:

Maybe the Brits just had to use whatever was around.

There was no Vickers lights that went across to France in 1944...

4 hours ago, Abwehrschlacht said:

There was no Vickers lights that went across to France in 1944...

Hypothetically if Sealion did happen they might have used all they had.

The game is pretty hypothetical

On 11/23/2018 at 4:36 AM, Abwehrschlacht said:

It does it you're trying to create a force thematically. It's like playing Second World War games with Vickers Light tanks facing off against Tiger IIs...

So don't mix them then.......

Jyn might be a problem when considering matchups and the timeline. After all she died before Luke, Han and Leia joined the rebellion (or became an active member instead of secret supporter in Leias case). The Pathfinders however are less troublesome. Doesn't shattered empire mention the endor commandos to be pathfinders? So the pathfinder branch of the alliance seems to have remained in existence after R1, although everyone who was on scarif died (doesn't have to be every pathfinder in existence).

On a side note: I find it weird that Legion did the same thing as Battlefront: Rogue One: Scarif and gave the special feature of Casians Blaster, the different configurations, to Jyns A-180. I guess dice did it because they wanted to bring this specific feature into the game but not create an additional blaster model. The A-180 had to be in there die to Jyn being the DLCs hero. However I don't know if it is the right decision to follow up on this, for it kind of strips both heroes of a distinction in their MO and isn't at all indicated in the movie or visual guide.

12 minutes ago, LennoxPoodle said:

Jyn might be a problem when considering matchups and the timeline. After all she died before Luke, Han and Leia joined the rebellion (or became an active member instead of secret supporter in Leias case). The Pathfinders however are less troublesome. Doesn't shattered empire mention the endor commandos to be pathfinders? So the pathfinder branch of the alliance seems to have remained in existence after R1, although everyone who was on scarif died (doesn't have to be every pathfinder in existence).

On a side note: I find it weird that Legion did the same thing as Battlefront: Rogue One: Scarif and gave the special feature of Casians Blaster, the different configurations, to Jyns A-180. I guess dice did it because they wanted to bring this specific feature into the game but not create an additional blaster model. The A-180 had to be in there die to Jyn being the DLCs hero. However I don't know if it is the right decision to follow up on this, for it kind of strips both heroes of a distinction in their MO and isn't at all indicated in the movie or visual guide.

Thing is, how accurate do you want it to get.

Can I say 'hey, this is an Endor table and Veers didnt fight on endor'?

4 minutes ago, VAYASAN said:

Thing is, how accurate do you want it to get.

Can I say 'hey, this is an Endor table and Veers didnt fight on endor'?

I guess that depends. All this thematic stuff only applies to beer and pretzel games anyway. In these kinds of environment you and your opponent can agree on whatever you want, with themes and "historical battles" being a very interesting set of limitations.

On 11/23/2018 at 7:36 AM, Abwehrschlacht said:

It does it you're trying to create a force thematically. It's like playing Second World War games with Vickers Light tanks facing off against Tiger IIs...

Sure so let's play a WWII where Hitler personally fights too. All of this mentality (sadly) flew out the window for me on release day when it was clear Luke and Darth Vader would be facing off countless times. Adding the emperor himself to petty skirmishes blew up whatever was left.

Legion is the miniature wargames equivalent of taking your Star Wars Kenner guys over to your friend's house after school.

The only way to enforce that kind of thematic playing is to paint both armies and make your own table and get a like minded opponent.

This is why I love Veers (that could be anybody in that uniform) and can't wait for low-level officers.

TBH, I threw most of the Legion stuff out of the window when I got the game. Like having six man squads and rigid army lists. We don't even use points when making our games (I can hear the gasps of horror from here). My disappointment with this release is that there are tons of characters from the OT that are waiting to be produced (R2 & Threepio, for example, what even is Star Wars without these two anyway?). You're not incorrect, this is like playing with the Kenner toys, but you can argue that Vader and Luke COULD potentially lead a force in a minor skirmish (not the bloody Emperor though...). I too am looking forward to more non-character officers.

2 hours ago, LennoxPoodle said:

I guess that depends. All this thematic stuff only applies to beer and pretzel games anyway.

I hate that term. Since it's usually used to indicate that approaching the game from an obsession with math (and obsequiousness to a publisher) is serious, and anything else is not. All this thematic stuff is the only reason for detailed models and for grenades to be short ranged offensive equipment instead of having a card that simply says "Attack +2, cost: 17 points".

2 hours ago, VAYASAN said:

Can I say 'hey, this is an Endor table and Veers didnt fight on endor'?

Luckily that model looks good anywhere! Back in the horse and buggy days of the 1990's, we always used him as a homebrew imperial hero or even just a squad sarge if you were short a model. The game on the cover of the book showed a figure of him (and Tarkin) pressed into service as battlefield officers.

I don't like to think of the table as Endor, Tatooine, or Hoth anyways but forest, snow and sand covered battlefields of Planet X. It's a big war, anything can happen. A bunch of my guys in winter uniforms can get accidentally rerouted into enemy fire without being able to change into new stuff. I think in Star Wars, technology allows for mere short term survival (if not comfort or long term survival) in most military uniforms if you're on a planet capable of sustaining life.

My most extensive gaming table is a desert table so all my Legion stuff is being based to match it. Snowtroopers with sandy bases doesn't make any more sense than Veers on Endor necessarily. This issue of matching figures to bases to scenery has plagued me since I was a small child playing with toys. It's never going to all come together

Darth Vader didn't fight on a lot of planets. So that ship has sailed.

On 11/23/2018 at 8:31 AM, Abwehrschlacht said:

I'm not interested in Rouge 1, so I would prefer it if they finished off the original trilogy stuff, then went on to the extra sauce. It's just my opinion, but it just seems like chopping and changing too soon.

Way too soon. I liked R1 a lot. But the fact is there's not a substantial difference between the following 3 boxed sets of models: Rebel Troopers, Commandos, and Pathfinders. What a waste of resources in a game with so few products to choose from The basic troopers are all carrying gear that fits onscreen depictions of both Endor and Scariff. Hoth Rebels and Ewoks would've been way better for two more boxed squads. Or a squad of mon calamari flight crew or rebel pilots to fight in boarding actions. Or anything else. Heck I wouldn't buy gungans but at least they're not the exact same squad warmed over. Twice.