17 minutes ago, TauntaunScout said:

Back in the horse and buggy days of the 1990's

This is the issue right here, we're too old dude.

On 11/21/2018 at 4:12 PM, Katarn said:

Fleet Troopers with missile launchers doesn't make much sense- you'd end up spacing yourself. Still, they do look pretty similar.

Those uniforms used to just be called "rebel troopers" without the "fleet" added and were used in all theaters. What Legion calls troopers were all vaguely referred to as commandos. This stuff is constantly shifting.

33 minutes ago, TauntaunScout said:

I hate that term. Since it's usually used to indicate that approaching the game from an obsession with math (and obsequiousness to a publisher) is serious, and anything else is not. All this thematic stuff is the only reason for detailed models and for grenades to be short ranged offensive equipment instead of having a card that simply says "Attack +2, cost: 17 points".

Yeah, maybe I worded that wrong. I myself are far from competitive player and allways try to run a theme. Maybe I should have written: Those narrative Issues. The point is, that many players are into competitive play and in this environment it (luckily) doesen't matter if a matchup makes sense. There a good/balanced gameplay just beats the narrative.

37 minutes ago, TauntaunScout said:

My most extensive gaming table is a desert table so all my Legion stuff is being based to match it. Snowtroopers with sandy bases doesn't make any more sense than Veers on Endor necessarily. This issue of matching figures to bases to scenery has plagued me since I was a small child playing with toys. It's never going to all come together

That one is actually easy to solve. Just magnetise your bases and the feet of the corresponding minis. To ensure that everything fits, I would glue the snow/grass/sand onto the base when the mini is attached, automatically leaving out the footprint. Of course marking the bottom of the bases and the minis feet with corresponding number is recommended.

That's an interesting idea about magnetizing the bases. Too late! Already done my armies.

Though another reason I use sandy bases for Star Wars is, I think it looks least out of place on the "wrong" table. They look better on a snowy table than grass would, they look better on grass than starship hallways would, etc. etc.

2 hours ago, LennoxPoodle said:

That one is actually easy to solve. Just magnetise your bases and the feet of the corresponding minis.

This is why I also paint mine with semi-arid base, don't look bad on this board either!

3 hours ago, LennoxPoodle said:

Yeah, maybe I worded that wrong. I myself are far from competitive player and allways try to run a theme. Maybe I should have written: Those narrative Issues. The point is, that many players are into competitive play and in this environment it (luckily) doesen't matter if a matchup makes sense. There a good/balanced gameplay just beats the narrative.

That one is actually easy to solve. Just magnetise your bases and the feet of the corresponding minis. To ensure that everything fits, I would glue the snow/grass/sand onto the base when the mini is attached, automatically leaving out the footprint. Of course marking the bottom of the bases and the minis feet with corresponding number is recommended.

I like how you called a complex process where one can’t alter the height lest they violate the tourney rules, “easy”.

4 hours ago, riker2800 said:

This is why I also paint mine with semi-arid base, don't look bad on this board either!

Having a Burnt Grass/Savanna base blends well with any board that's either desert based or foliage based, as it looks like the area the troops are occupying has been worn down during combat.

Also, that board looks pretty neat.

@Derrault Not altering the height isn't that hard. Of course you have to drill holes for glueing the magnets into them. If the feet of the mini are to small you can just use smaller stuff made out of magnetic metal. You only need an active magnet on one side after all. Maybe even painting the bottom of the feet with heavily metallic paint (maybe have to mix it for yourself, iron filings and glue should work) could be enough. If possible an actual magnet is to be adviced though.

2 hours ago, LennoxPoodle said:

@Derrault Not altering the height isn't that hard. Of course you have to drill holes for glueing the magnets into them. If the feet of the mini are to small you can just use smaller stuff made out of magnetic metal. You only need an active magnet on one side after all. Maybe even painting the bottom of the feet with heavily metallic paint (maybe have to mix it for yourself, iron filings and glue should work) could be enough. If possible an actual magnet is to be adviced though.

Though there is the annoying issue that Legion still doesn't sell spare bases.

@TauntaunScoutSadly that's totally true.

13 hours ago, LennoxPoodle said:

@Derrault Not altering the height isn't that hard. Of course you have to drill holes for glueing the magnets into them. If the feet of the mini are to small you can just use smaller stuff made out of magnetic metal. You only need an active magnet on one side after all. Maybe even painting the bottom of the feet with heavily metallic paint (maybe have to mix it for yourself, iron filings and glue should work) could be enough. If possible an actual magnet is to be adviced though.

That’s still a far cry from “easy”, which was the point I made.

Anyone who says Palpatine doesn't belong on the battlefield needs to spend sometimes with other Star Wars games, like this, this, or this. Or take a look at the list of video games he has been included in here.

If you don't feel like clicking on all those hyperlinks, fine. the TL;DR is that he has been an active 'fighter' in Star Wars Lore for 20+ years. This isn't a FFG deal. If you don't like it, don't buy them.

6 hours ago, Xiervak said:

Anyone who says Palpatine doesn't belong on the battlefield needs to spend sometimes with other Star Wars games, like this, this, or this. Or take a look at the list of video games he has been included in here.

If you don't feel like clicking on all those hyperlinks, fine. the TL;DR is that he has been an active 'fighter' in Star Wars Lore for 20+ years. This isn't a FFG deal. If you don't like it, don't buy them.

That, that and that are the WORST star wars games ever done... thanks for the comparison... you are talking about wizards otc... that game allowed you to include jawas alongside Palpatine and Dooku with tusken raiders... nice goal for another game to try to be like this one

And then let's talk about THAT other entertainment wonder: galaxy of heroes, an ultrarealistic game where a group of jawas with junk droids can defeat a unit made of anakin skywalker, master yoda and the whole jedi council... they even made a fighting version of admiral Holdo!!

AND... battlefront? They would show Leia Organa in metal bikini to make you pay another DLC!

And so... got more examples of these 20 years of Palpatine fighting battles??? I mean, other than Nintendo games that showed us a gargantuan wampa...

People don't say Palp is a defenceless granny, but his place is NOT in a battle or a squirmish.

As I'm only really interested in the original trilogy where Palpatine barely gets out of his throne it doesn't work for me, either.

7 hours ago, Tubb said:

That, that and that are the WORST star wars games ever done... thanks for the comparison... you are talking about wizards otc... that game allowed you to include jawas alongside Palpatine and Dooku with tusken raiders... nice goal for another game to try to be like this one

And then let's talk about THAT other entertainment wonder: galaxy of heroes, an ultrarealistic game where a group of jawas with junk droids can defeat a unit made of anakin skywalker, master yoda and the whole jedi council... they even made a fighting version of admiral Holdo!!

AND... battlefront? They would show Leia Organa in metal bikini to make you pay another DLC!

And so... got more examples of these 20 years of Palpatine fighting battles??? I mean, other than Nintendo games that showed us a gargantuan wampa...

People don't say Palp is a defenceless granny, but his place is NOT in a battle or a squirmish.

Never claimed they were good, I said it was nothing new. Nice try though.

8 hours ago, Abwehrschlacht said:

As I'm only really interested in the original trilogy where Palpatine barely gets out of his throne it doesn't work for me, either.

Well that would exclude Vader personally ever fighting any of the Rebel heroes in a battle, even he only ever fights Luke in two duels.

Legion is more about doing what if scenarios than recreating actual movie battles. And to that end, the ultimate what if scenario is asking what happens if Palpatine decides to get involved.

I’m not saying Legion isn’t about creating what ifs, that’s not the issue. The issue lies with the Emperor of the Imperial galaxy putting himself in harm’s way of a tiny skirmish. The only rebel he ever sees face to face is Luke and that is in an effort to recruit him.

Each to their own, they’re your toys to play with as you want, I just like to have some level of realistic military procedures in the games I play.

5 hours ago, Xiervak said:

Never claimed they were good, I said it was nothing new. Nice try though.

It IS new because none of the examples provided had nothing to do with a Palpatine fighting in front of his troops, you are giving examples that are exactly the same as Palp in Return of the jedi or Revenge of the sith throwing lightnings at his foes... does this mean he is suposed to be in a battle or a squirmish commanding a group of stormtroopers to protect a vaporator???

No, in 20 years never seen a Palpatine doing this, although we have seen him fighting and showing extreme power, it's been always in a controlled environment, not in the middle of a battle. We have seen Vader do it, we also have seen Luke, and Leia, Obi-wan and every possible jedi, and even Han Solo did it at Endor... but Palpatine?

5 hours ago, Derrault said:

Well that would exclude Vader personally ever fighting any of the Rebel heroes in a battle, even he only ever fights Luke in two duels.

Legion is more about doing what if scenarios than recreating actual movie battles. And to that end, the ultimate what if scenario is asking what happens if Palpatine decides to get involved.

But even if you don't see him figting, he is commanding his soldiers VERY close to the fight in empire strikes back, in the battle for Hoth. And perhaps you would not want to include RogueOne in the "original" trilogy, but actually the timeline is REALLY close to Episode IV... and Vader is at the front of the assault when trying to recover the stolen Death Star plans... and then at the beginning of Ep. IV he is also at the front line assaulting the Tantive IV... while Palp is only seen issuing orderswhen he issued order 66 from his palace at coruscant...

3 hours ago, Abwehrschlacht said:

I’m not saying Legion isn’t about creating what ifs, that’s not the issue. The issue lies with the Emperor of the Imperial galaxy putting himself in harm’s way of a tiny skirmish. The only rebel he ever sees face to face is Luke and that is in an effort to recruit him.

Each to their own, they’re your toys to play with as you want, I just like to have some level of realistic military procedures in the games I play.

Right. What I was getting at is that you could imagine that the Emperor has decided to personally oversee some critical aspect of something, or that the Rebels planned an ambush because there was hints of an important dignitary and lo and behold, it was the Emperor.

You know, use a little imagination.

@Tubb

“But even if you don't see him figting, he is commanding his soldiers VERY close to the fight in empire strikes back,“

By the time he lands the battle is over. Yes, he’s proximate, but at no time was he in harms way, same goes for the Tantive IV.

Yavin is the one and only time in the trilogy that Vader is seriously at risk of being involved in combat.

55 minutes ago, Derrault said:

Yavin is the one and only time in the trilogy that Vader is seriously at risk of being involved in combat.

Few minutes before the trilogy...

1 minute ago, Tubb said:

Few minutes before the trilogy...

Which, as cool as it might have been, makes next to no sense when you watch Episode IV and listen to the dialogue between Vader and Leia. Bad retcon is bad.

2 minutes ago, Derrault said:

Which, as cool as it might have been, makes next to no sense when you watch Episode IV and listen to the dialogue between Vader and Leia. Bad retcon is bad.

I am sorry, I just heard the conversation, don't know what's wrong with it...

19 hours ago, Xiervak said:

Anyone who says Palpatine doesn't belong on the battlefield needs to spend sometimes with other Star Wars games, like this, this, or this. Or take a look at the list of video games he has been included in here.

If you don't feel like clicking on all those hyperlinks, fine. the TL;DR is that he has been an active 'fighter' in Star Wars Lore for 20+ years. This isn't a FFG deal. If you don't like it, don't buy them.

For me it's more that when someone says ewoks, rebel pilots, admiral Piett, or whatever, "wouldn't make any sense" I do use Palpatine as proof that we left "making sense" behind early in this game's release schedule. No matter how improbable some might see them, grounded pilots would be more common on battlefields than heads of state.

People can not buy the model of him, but in modern game store culture, of playing against randoms, that's not much help. Also, he takes up a slot in the (very limited) release schedule that could have gone to something of broader utility. Thus another reason some people are entitled to their negative opinion that he's out.

Just because he's been in games for 20 years means nothing to me. 20 years ago is 1998, my oft cited cutoff for ignoring new Star Wars stuff. Besides, the oldest thing you linked to is from 2004, the rest was all post 2010. That goes back 14 years, not "20+".

Back in the 90's we firmly played the galactic civil war on a tabletop near you, with NO movie heroes. And despite what people will say, the game was successful. Theoretically people COULD have done so very easily, without bending any rules or using 3rd party minis, but we just didn't. The tone the publisher chooses to set matters. They made a Palpatine mini for collectors. His stats were published for the curious. But that just wasn't what the game was about.

30 minutes ago, Tubb said:

I am sorry, I just heard the conversation, don't know what's wrong with it...

I think they mean when Vader says "several transmissions were beamed to this ship by rebel spies". Which is wrong, nothing was beamed to the Tantive IV... but it was docked to the ship they were beamed to so, pretty close, a reasonable slip of the tongue for a retcon explanation. And we know see that Vader KNEW the ships were docked at the time. And Leia has good reason to suspect he knows it. So she's really putting on a show, she knows she probably isn't fooling anyone.

Since Motti refers to "stolen datatapes" when Vader says "beamed" the whole thing isn't actually clear in ANH anyways.

If you actually taped most people's lives, a lot of unrealistic, unbelievable, things would be said and done.