On 11/19/2018 at 12:39 PM, Redblock said:

Every time I see one of those "I hate Last Jedi" fanatics I want to ask are they vegan? Because blind conviction in being right about everything and knowing the true truth sounds around the same in both.

What's your point here? First of all, disclaimer: I'm not vegan. I eat animal products very often.

But are you saying that vegans are wrong about veganism? That a diet free of animal products is not healthier, is not better for the environmental footprint, and is not better for animal welfare? Because the evidence is pretty overwhelming, in fact, that those points are true .

It's one thing for you and I to say "Well, yea, the vegans are right about those aspects of veganism being better... but I just don't care enough to be vegan myself" and another thing to say that "vegans are wrong about those points but blindly convince themselves that they know the 'true' truth. It sounds like you're claiming the latter, which is a really stupid point to defend. You've actually flipped it, as now you're denying those bodies of evidence that support veganism and calling it "fake news" (the blind convinction to the 'true truth' they've constructed) in order to justify your own worldview and behavior, thus making you the one that is detached from reality.

Instead, I recommend just stepping up and saying something more like: "I accept that the points supporting veganism are true, but I don't care about those points and won't live a vegan lifestyle." "Don't go all "fake news" and try to act like the evidence is wrong and that in reality eating animal products is better for personal health, better for the environment, and better for animal welfare...

5 minutes ago, generalchaos34 said:

I've come across my fair share of brain dead grunts, hyper arrogant pilots (THIS guy went to college and has a commission?) and the milieu of the military culture (I grew up on many different military bases). Yeah they are never AS bad as Poe, but they are exceptionally borderline all the times. I see Poe as just the amalgamation of every washed up private and overbearing butter bar you've ever come across turned up to 11 and without the existing structure of a real military chain of command. Which is just plain dangerous really.

I've never met -anyone- in who would stand out directly in the open yelling your mom jokes inside the effective range of enemy weapons while armed.

Because any that would died incredibly quickly. There's risk taking adrenaline junkies. Then there is straight up dumb ****.

Also those hyper arrogant pilots? Arrogant for a reason. They talk big on the ground cause when they fight you'll be dead from miles away without even hearing a thing or realizing you're in danger. Cause they're actually good at their jobs.

I personally dislike the prequels. I rate Phantom Menace lower than Manos The Hands of Fate. But I do enjoy the latest Star Wars movies. The problem isn’t that the movies were made, or who made them, or that Disney owns the rights now, or what’s different about the movies, or that the Holliday Special is the benchmark for the -Worst Star Wars Something Made-...

What’s actually the problem is that a group of fans have become hooked on fanatical outrage, and the idea that anything they don’t like is bad-wrong-fun. Good and Bad have become absolutes to them. Anything that is not wholly and perfectly “good”, is totally and absolutely “wrong” (thank you, Asimov). And normally that’s fine, people can have such extremist opinions. But the pervailing thought is they don’t like sandwiches, and therefore nobody should like sandwiches. Nobody gives a flying **** that I dislike the prequels, NOR SHOULD THEY. And whinging about it incessently won’t change the minds of fans who love the prequels and grew up on them. Which is fine, OT or Prequel, Old Canon or New Trilogy, there’s plenty of material in Star Wars to love. It’s a space fantasy about space wizards, flying spaceships, with cowboys and aliens, fighting against authoritarian super powers, and a word from our sponsor. And nobody actually cares what parts of it you hate, or how much you hate it. Least of all on a forum about a fun board game centered around little plastic spaceships.

I’m totally buying Clone Wars ships.

3 minutes ago, It’s One Of Ours said:

I personally dislike the prequels. I rate Phantom Menace lower than Manos The Hands of Fate. But I do enjoy the latest Star Wars movies. The problem isn’t that the movies were made, or who made them, or that Disney owns the rights now, or what’s different about the movies, or that the Holliday Special is the benchmark for the -Worst Star Wars Something Made-...

What’s actually the problem is that a group of fans have become hooked on fanatical outrage, and the idea that anything they don’t like is bad-wrong-fun. Good and Bad have become absolutes to them. Anything that is not wholly and perfectly “good”, is totally and absolutely “wrong” (thank you, Asimov). And normally that’s fine, people can have such extremist opinions. But the pervailing thought is they don’t like sandwiches, and therefore nobody should like sandwiches. Nobody gives a flying **** that I dislike the prequels, NOR SHOULD THEY. And whinging about it incessently won’t change the minds of fans who love the prequels and grew up on them. Which is fine, OT or Prequel, Old Canon or New Trilogy, there’s plenty of material in Star Wars to love. It’s a space fantasy about space wizards, flying spaceships, with cowboys and aliens, fighting against authoritarian super powers, and a word from our sponsor. And nobody actually cares what parts of it you hate, or how much you hate it. Least of all on a forum about a fun board game centered around little plastic spaceships.

I’m totally buying Clone Wars ships.    

Also I've learned to stop worrying and have come to love all that is Star Wars

24 minutes ago, generalchaos34 said:

Also I've learned to stop worrying and have come to love all that is Star Wars

And Ironies apparently.

2 hours ago, Dabirdisdaword said:

Sequels are high budget marvel in space where filmmaking prestige is the goal. They're big spectacles where people fall in line with the corporate metrics. There is no soul. Only technical excellence. And that's why it fails.

You don't enjoy the movies, and that's fine. But. Saying they have "no soul" is _weird_. The Force Awakens is exactly what I expected a JJ Abrams Star Wars movie to be. It has all of his stylistic quirks, right down to a set of mystery boxes that he has no idea what is inside of.

I don't know Johnson well enough to say what his style is. So I can't comment on that. But I can say that his Star Wars movie was very different from the other Star Wars movies.

Chuck Wendig produced a trilogy of Star Wars books that are in _his_ style, with _his_ voice and _his_ sensibilities. Kieron Gillen's Darth Vader and Aphra comics were.... well. You can't mistake them for anyone else's take on the subject matter.

Far from "corporate metrics" that have "no soul", I've been impressed with the free hand that Lucasfilm (not Disney- Lucas) have given to their creators to tell stories in their universe. Each creator is allowed to bring themselves to the story and tell it in a way that they themselves tell stories. It's been amazing to see.

Fools here arguing the same points on every forum do be like dis:

8 hours ago, Punning Pundit said:

I don't know Johnson well enough to say what his style is. So I can't comment on that. But I can say that his Star Wars movie was very different from the other Star Wars movies.

His most readily apparent piece of work that I know of off the top of my head, was Looper. Which IMO is a pretty good movie. His style and cinematography is pretty apparent in TLJ. Especially the cinematography. Sweeping set shots, and playing with camera angles that block a reveal, are everywhere. Rose stunning Finn in the escape pod, for example. Or the camera sweep on the dreadnought that leads into the Admiral Grumpy Pants screaming to kill the bombers behind him through the viewport. Seriously... go back and pay attention to the cinematography of (at least) those scenes, and you’ll see Ryan’s style.

You know the weirdest part?

God I despised Looper. I hated it so much. I was so ready to dislike TLJ because I knew I didn't like Rian's style... And then boom, I adored TLJ. Go figure.

12 hours ago, generalchaos34 said:

Also I've learned to stop worrying and have come to love all that is Star Wars

On 11/21/2018 at 1:10 AM, It’s One Of Ours said:

His most readily apparent piece of work that I know of off the top of my head, was Looper. Which IMO is a pretty good movie. His style and cinematography is pretty apparent in TLJ. Especially the cinematography. ... Seriously... go back and pay attention to the cinematography of (at least) those scenes, and you’ll see Ryan’s style.

His cinematography and direction are great. It's the writing we don't like.

3 hours ago, AllWingsStandyingBy said:

His cinematography and direction are great. It's the writing we don't like.

Yes, yes... everyone knows. You don’t like thing.

On 11/18/2018 at 9:07 PM, It’s One Of Ours said:

Solo is still better than New Hope and RotJ combined.

That crazy talk

Well since for some Force Forsaken reason this thread is more popular than the Black Friday Thread and to make sure dread continues.