6 hours ago, Punning Pundit said:

You're not fun at parties, are you?

"you must not be fun at parties" is something that people who are fun at parties dont say. its a witless bullys retort

6 hours ago, Punning Pundit said:

You're not fun at parties, are you?

What are you on about? I feel pity for the weary soul that cannot enjoy the dumb good-natured fun of the holiday special. You've got the original cast singing songs at they ride that titillating wave of excited energy for any new Star Wars content that so wonderfully captured the zeitgeist of the budding Sci-Fi culture. You've got BEA F----ING ARTHUR singing and dancing in the cantina as she seduces a Rodian... BEA ARTHUR, the legend. You have the debut of Boba Fett who is riding a frickin' dinosaur. You've got Chewbacca's dad grinning a wonderfully cheesy and pervy smile as he dons a VR-helmet to watch some saucy Sci-Fi Porn.

Like, whoever can't have fun with this surreal silly jolly good-hearted humor is dead inside. It's just plain silly enjoyable fun. And, it's meant to be a non-canon silly indulgence of Star Wars.


I am dead serious when I say that the Holiday Special is genuinely better than TLJ. And I don't see why having the mindset to enjoy the Holiday Special for what it is would make me "less" fun at parties... nay in fact, I think those who can enjoy the Holiday Special are the most fun at parties.

So pour some egg-nog, have R2D2 bring you a cigarette, and throw on your Porn-VR-Holo-Headset to watch Bea Arthur try and take a Rodian home at closing time. It beat's "Hello, holding for Hux... yes, Hello... Holding... Still holding....YOUR MOM!" all day, e'ry day.

16 hours ago, Vontoothskie said:

the joke

To be fair this thread sort of turned into something as awful as a political talk at the Thanksgiving table between the Government of the Prequels trying to make Star Wars great again and the Disney New Committee taking back the house.

pass the Eggnog, okay open another bottle of wine, okay more whiskey and hold the eggnog

2 minutes ago, Marinealver said:

To be fair this thread sort of turned into something as awful as a political talk at the Thanksgiving table between the Government of the Prequels trying to make Star Wars great again and the Disney New Cinema taking back the house.

pass the Eggnog, okay open another bottle of wine, okay more whiskey and hold the eggnog

true, but that was like the 3rd comment in FFS

5 minutes ago, AllWingsStandyingBy said:

What are you on about? I feel pity for the weary soul that cannot enjoy the dumb good-natured fun of the holiday special. You've got the original cast singing songs at they ride that titillating wave of excited energy for any new Star Wars content that so wonderfully captured the zeitgeist of the budding Sci-Fi culture. You've got BEA F----ING ARTHUR singing and dancing in the cantina as she seduces a Rodian... BEA ARTHUR, the legend. You have the debut of Boba Fett who is riding a frickin' dinosaur. You've got Chewbacca's dad grinning a wonderfully cheesy and pervy smile as he dons a VR-helmet to watch some saucy Sci-Fi Porn.

Like, whoever can't have fun with this surreal silly jolly good-hearted humor is dead inside. It's just plain silly enjoyable fun. And, it's meant to be a non-canon silly indulgence of Star Wars.


I am dead serious when I say that the Holiday Special is genuinely better than TLJ. And I don't see why having the mindset to enjoy the Holiday Special for what it is would make me "less" fun at parties... nay in fact, I think those who can enjoy the Holiday Special are the most fun at parties.

So pour some egg-nog, have R2D2 bring you a cigarette, and throw on your Porn-VR-Holo-Headset to watch Bea Arthur try and take a Rodian home at closing time. It beat's "Hello, holding for Hux... yes, Hello... Holding... Still holding....YOUR MOM!" all day, e'ry day.

Please breed, theres so few of us left now.

5 minutes ago, AllWingsStandyingBy said:

I am dead serious when I say that the Holiday Special is genuinely better than TLJ.

7 minutes ago, Marinealver said:

To be fair this thread sort of turned into something as awful as a political talk at the Thanksgiving table between the Government of the Prequels trying to make Star Wars great again and the Disney New Cinema taking back the house.

pass the Eggnog, okay open another bottle of wine, okay more whiskey and hold the eggnog

Heh.

6 minutes ago, Vontoothskie said:

Please breed, theres so few of us left now.

Waaay ahead of you. "Wife & Kids" achievement unlocked. (I even met her at a ... *drum roll*... party! ... but don't tell @Punning Pundit ) 🤣

3 hours ago, Lace Jetstreamer said:

He wasn't the scum that the novels and of course Episode 4 told us Han was.

Okay, I'm gonna stop you right there.

You know that Han's trajectory in the old EU novels and in Solo is almost identical, right?

Solo swaps things a tiny bit by having Han get out from under the thumb of the gang that's owned him as an orphan after he meets the girl, rather than before. But otherwise Solo and the Han Solo trilogy are basically identical, save for the timespan.

In both cases Han starts out as a good guy given a bad start in life who wants to make more of himself as a pilot in the Imperial Navy. Yes, in Solo he only really does it to get a ticket off Corellia but he still goes along with it because he thinks he could get Qi'ra back as an Imperial officer. If anything, Han joining the Empire for more selfish reasons in Solo makes him more like the OT scoundrel than the novels.

In both cases Han is kicked out for refusing to conform to Imperial doctrine, and in both cases the circumstances of his leaving the Imperial service altogether coincide with his meeting Chewie. In both cases, Han shows sympathy for Chewie, frees him and forms an immediate bond. Again, Han in Solo is more selfish than the novels because there's an element of self preservation thrown in. In the novels, Han was just too darn nice to let Chewie get hurt.

In both cases, Han then takes to a life of crime but only to make money so that he and the apparent love of his life can have a future together.

In both cases, just when he thinks he and Qi'ra/Bria have finally broken free of all their obligations and can start a life together, she betrays him.

Both stories have Han start off as a good hearted, generous guy before seeing the reality of the Empire, an association with the criminal underworld and the betrayal of someone he loves harden him into the selfish cynic we see in the OT.

It's called character development. People aren't born criminals, life takes them there. The point of both stories was that deep down, Han had always been a good guy and just needed the right friends and environment to support that. Y'know, literally what his arc in the OT demonstrates. Solo and the novels examined it from the other side - if the OT showed that deep down he was always a good guy, then what happened to make him seem so callous at the start of ANH.

1 hour ago, Captain Lackwit said:

I mean SODDING CORELLIA, WHICH ANY STAR WARS FAN SHOULD KNOW BY NOW

C'mon dude, you don't need to do that. Don't gatekeep. People can be fans of Star Wars without knowing every single detail about every character from the EU or background.

Seems especially harsh in this case given that Corellia and Coruscant are pretty similar names and even someone who does know the backstory could easily get them mixed up for a brief moment while typing.

Well, now that the holidays are here, I'm going to pop some classic Meco on the turntable. . .

. . .and listen to C-3PO sing "What do you get a Wookiee for Christmas (When he Already has a Comb)" from 1980.

Then I'm going to drink some egg nog and laugh that all you dorks actually think that somehow this late-comer upstart Disney is what "ruined Star Wars to sell merchandising."

Every time I see one of those "I hate Last Jedi" fanatics I want to ask are they vegan? Because blind conviction in being right about everything and knowing the true truth sounds around the same in both.

10 hours ago, Captain Lackwit said:

It's honestly extremely good. Easily in my top three favorite Star Wars films.

And that's as somebody who was very critical of alden going in, and expecting an extremely meh film.

That was my thought as well. I avoided Solo when it was in the theaters, because it came out so soon after TLJ. Now I regret not seeing it on the big screen. Solo was straight up fun. I loved everything about it, and felt it did a phenomenal job of tying into the story. My only headscratch moment was seeing Han with blood stripes already, but meh. Definitely in my top 3, as well.

Double post

42 minutes ago, Redblock said:

Every time I see one of those "I hate Last Jedi" fanatics I want to ask are they vegan? Because blind conviction in being right about everything and knowing the true truth sounds around the same in both.

Seriously! Same!

47 minutes ago, Redblock said:

Every time I see one of those "I hate Last Jedi" fanatics I want to ask are they vegan? Because blind conviction in being right about everything and knowing the true truth sounds around the same in both.

TLJ gave us the most competent “bad guy commander” in charge of the Dreadnought, with a crew and superior officers comprised of incompetent fools. Haters can hate the movie all they want, but Admiral Grumpy-Pants watching his death tragically play out in slow-motion due to the sheer idiocy surrounding him is probably my favorite part of TLJ.

8 hours ago, GuacCousteau said:

Okay, I'm gonna stop you right there

I'm going to stop you right there.

8 hours ago, GuacCousteau said:

If anything, Han joining the Empire for more selfish reasons in Solo makes him more like the OT scoundrel than the novels.

Did you even watch Soyo? The reason Han joins the Empire is because its his ONLY way to avoid getting captured. Granted, that is a giant PLOT HOLE right there. The gang is working with the empire anyways to get Han so no idea why joining the empire would somehow prevent the gang from getting him. Solo is filled with terrible writing. Its most likely due to the firing of the original directories and re-shooting most of the movie. The editors just couldn't make it work. Its the same with what happened with Rouge None.

As I stated in my previous comment, Han on Soyo is the GOOD GUY. He doesn't do anything wrong. His choices are 100% aligned with what a good guy does. He even morns over killing his captain after he kills him. The Han we know would have just blasted him and be done with it. Granted, the double cross makes ZERO plot sense just like the vast majority of the movie.

14 minutes ago, Lace Jetstreamer said:

Did you even watch Soyo? The reason Han joins the Empire is because its his ONLY way to avoid getting captured. Granted, that is a giant PLOT HOLE right there. The gang is working with the empire anyways to get Han so no idea why joining the empire would somehow prevent the gang from getting him. Solo is filled with terrible writing. Its most likely due to the firing of the original directories and re-shooting most of the movie. The editors just couldn't make it work. Its the same with what happened with Rouge None.

As I stated in my previous comment, Han on Soyo is the GOOD GUY. He doesn't do anything wrong. His choices are 100% aligned with what a good guy does. He even morns over killing his captain after he kills him. The Han we know would have just blasted him and be done with it. Granted, the double cross makes ZERO plot sense just like the vast majority of the movie.

Yeah, I saw it. There’s a bizarre trend I’ve noticed, something of a “Schrodinger’s Empire”. It’s as if everyone expects the Empire to be made up of a diverse array of people, ranging from callous and cruel, to outright corrupt, to patriotic, to just trying get by and make a living. And yet simultaneously everyone expects a colossal galaxy-wide authoritarian military regime to be lock-step and competent enough in it’s internal communications to draw correlation between a new troublesome recruit with a generic last name, and a sewer crime-boss reporting an escaped trouble-maker. It’s not like we don’t have 3 other OT films showing just how bad internal communication is within the Empire.

Nothing about Han’s character goes against his already established OT character. He was always a “good guy”. That’s his entire character in New Hope... If he didn't have a streak of good in him, Luke would be space dust along with Yavin-4. If anything, Solo just reinforces his **** bluffing skills and financial motivation. Which has also always been a shtick for him.

2 hours ago, It’s One Of Ours said:

TLJ gave us the most competent “bad guy commander” in charge of the Dreadnought, with a crew and superior officers comprised of incompetent fools. Haters can hate the movie all they want, but Admiral Grumpy-Pants watching his death tragically play out in slow-motion due to the sheer idiocy surrounding him is probably my favorite part of TLJ.

He was so competent he targeted the stationary base with this mega-cannon, then sat there and watched as the Raddus eventually escaped while his cannon recharged.

He's every bit as much of a joke as Hux.

6 minutes ago, AllWingsStandyingBy said:

He was so competent he targeted the stationary base with this mega-cannon, then sat there and watched as the Raddus eventually escaped while his cannon recharged.

He's every bit as much of a joke as Hux.

He *almost hit them, though!

* Pesky plot armor...

7 minutes ago, AllWingsStandyingBy said:

He was so competent he targeted the stationary base with this mega-cannon, then sat there and watched as the Raddus eventually escaped while his cannon recharged.

He's every bit as much of a joke as Hux.

Yah, his target priority was great. Could have wiped out half if not more of the Resistance fleet that was parked at that location and he chose to bombard ground structures.

45 minutes ago, Hiemfire said:

Yah, his target priority was great. Could have wiped out half if not more of the Resistance fleet that was parked at that location and he chose to bombard ground structures.

But it's telling that TLJ apologists view him as some deeply tragic, talented and capable military figure.

Like the rest of the First Order is so comically inept that the dude with the worst target-priority decision in all of fiction is somehow seen as a paragon of competence.

2 minutes ago, AllWingsStandyingBy said:

But it's telling that TLJ apologists view him as some deeply tragic, talented and capable military figure.

Like the rest of the First Order is so comically inept that the dude with the worst target-priority decision in all of fiction is somehow seen as a paragon of competence.

For the First Order he was the best of a bunch of incompetents. When surrounded by crap Fool's Gold looks valuable...

26 minutes ago, AllWingsStandyingBy said:

But it's telling that TLJ apologists view him as some deeply tragic, talented and capable military figure.

Like the rest of the First Order is so comically inept that the dude with the worst target-priority decision in all of fiction is somehow seen as a paragon of competence.

Deeply tragic and capable? That’s going a bit far. He’s merely the most competent First Order commander. Which... well... isn’t saying much. He’s Admiral Grumpy-Pants! And he’s super grumpy about getting killed because of the incompetence around him.

Also it’s telling that if someone liked a movie that someone else didn’t like, suddenly they’re labeled as an “apologist”. **** off with that. TLJ was better than the entirety of the Prequels, and that’s a subjective opinion.

2 hours ago, It’s One Of Ours said:

Yeah, I saw it. There’s a bizarre trend I’ve noticed, something of a “Schrodinger’s Empire”. It’s as if everyone expects the Empire to be made up of a diverse array of people, ranging from callous and cruel, to outright corrupt, to patriotic, to just trying get by and make a living. And yet simultaneously everyone expects a colossal galaxy-wide authoritarian military regime to be lock-step and competent enough in it’s internal communications to draw correlation between a new troublesome recruit with a generic last name, and a sewer crime-boss reporting an escaped trouble-maker. It’s not like we don’t have 3 other OT films showing just how bad internal communication is within the Empire.

I am not sure if you really saw the movie. The empire AND the gang were actively searching for Han Soyo when he signed up. Only a few feet away even. You would think the Empire would just Lock things down (which they could have easily done). But nope, the plot and story were just that bad. I find it very interesting people like you are trying to defend such a stupid and inconsistent plot. Its one thing to like it for the shiny, but its another to come up with very weak arguments to justify it.

42 minutes ago, It’s One Of Ours said:

Deeply tragic and capable? That’s going a bit far. He’s merely the most competent First Order commander. Which... well... isn’t saying much. He’s Admiral Grumpy-Pants! And he’s super grumpy about getting killed because of the incompetence around him.

Also it’s telling that if someone liked a movie that someone else didn’t like, suddenly they’re labeled as an “apologist”. **** off with that. TLJ was better than the entirety of the Prequels, and that’s a subjective opinion.  

agreed, people seem to decided that they dislike something and therefore NO ONE SHALL LIKE IT EVER!!!!! It seems to be a concept that is attributed to many members of society who have deemed themselves more important than others. I personally don't care for pineapple on pizza (its an abomination brought forth by cthullu himself!) but I do not actively argue with people or prevent them from enjoying their feculent harvest of a pizza.

As for admiral grumpy pants he follows a long long long long long line of highly incompetent imperial officers who have been easily outwitted time and again by our wiley rebels. Id list them all but that would literally be ALL of them (maybe minus Tarkin, Agent Kallus, and Grand Admiral Thrawn). People make fun of Hux but is he really different from Ozzel, Piett, or Jerjerrod who were relentless pushed around by some black clad sith lord. It would appear that the Empire promotes officers who show LOYALTY more than they do competence. Something that has been fairly relevant with pretty much all authoritarian regimes in history and subsequently lead to their downfalls. Interestingly enough we all remember Admiral Grumpy Pants for his gross incompetence and grumpiness about all the gross incompetence around him, so it looks like he will be immortalized regardless!

I am always perplexed that people hold the original trilogy in some sort of magical fault proof realm of perfect story telling and bullet proof nostalgia. It has its faults, it has its problems. And a lot of time George Lucas was looking to make a quick buck (it was the 80s-90s, who could blame him?) At least the Disney folks have seen that they were overreaching a bit and have done a lot to fix some of those issues (i.e. extensive reshoots of both Solo and Rogue One). You can love or hate a specific movie but they have done a lot to do quality control over the franchise in the last few years making sure everything at least mostly lines up in a cohesive timeline. We like to forget weird and awful things like Splinter in the Minds eye, The Glove of Darth Vader, the holiday special (and dont tell me they were true to their characters! Harrison Ford looked like he was on set by gunpoint and Carrie Fisher was clearly chemically influenced), the Ewok adventure movies (and I actually really liked those as a kid....not so much as an adult), or the Droid Adventure Hour. The original trilogy simply came about at a time when people were young, awkward, and didn't have easy access to the internet or classic Sci-Fi, and we were able to bond over our love of something that everyone liked but only a cherished few LOVED. A lot of 80s nostalgia seems to have a bit of an identity crisis where there are lots of people who want it to grow but its never "how they would want it" and therefore its wrong and should be destroyed. Just look at Ghostbusters.

I say just sit back and enjoy the ride. If you want to make a change get into the industry and start writing and producing your way into the ability to change it. Otherwise complaining about it does no good and will give this girl too much of a headache otherwise having to listen to it! And if you haven't figured it out, im being purely subjectively objective.

/endrant

3 minutes ago, generalchaos34 said:

I personally don't care of pineapple on pizza

But it is really good with bacon and onions...