2 hours ago, Constantine Valdor said:

Cal was hammer vote. I agree that Cal suddenly vote Pod is weird.

I still staunchly believe of the Cal-Bertie-Clon axis, with LP also a possibility.

If you staunchly support that trio, with only LP as a maybe, why do you accept Hero's condemnation, when he has pegged both Ebon and LP, and thus contradicts your staunch stance?

2 hours ago, EbonHawk said:

1DOC, 1 BG, AND 2 COPS, PLUS WHATEVER CAL IS lolololol yeah no......

For the record, Pod never actually said he was a BG, you said that. Also, it is not 2 cops PLUS Cal, it is a cop (Hero) plus whatever Cal is.

1 hour ago, EbonHawk said:

new top 3: Cal/Hero . 3rd read Gnips/CLon

Why me?

5 minutes ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

2 hours ago, EbonHawk said:

For the record, Pod never actually said he was a BG, you said that. Also, it is not 2 cops PLUS Cal, it is a cop (Hero) plus whatever Cal is.

Well Pod said he was a protecter and hinted BG after saying he was not a Doc? You inferring something else from that then? and Cal as I've said is either Mason/Cop or a liar. So hmmm

6 minutes ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

Why me?

Why not? Doesn't matter if hero is insane or cult, I know my role and feel from his push LP is town. add to that if pod/hero/cal are all telling the truth as town, it doesn't look to good does it? and as said of the 3 people voting LP I'm sure they're not all town, so you in there for that really...

" Insane Cop/Cal Sane Cop, would confirm me and LP, plus Hero/Cal meaning scum/cult is Mad/Pod/Clon/CV/Gnips" plus pod as a BG or whatever he is that narrows it down even more so Mad/Clon/CV/Gnips max 3 cult and 4 people left unverified?

but i'm waiting to hear back from Cal re his cop or not, and hero for his reply ro what I think he is, an insane cop. They're the people I want to hear from most as their reads could narrow this game down a LOT

10 minutes ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

it is a cop (Hero)

also wrong, as I know the only way possible he got that read on me is because he's insane... I can see why people might not take that for granted, but I know that if true and he isn't a cult pushing, that narrows it down. So it's not a cop hero, and that means Cal is the sane cop.. (see his asking to role-claim D1 and shadiness, thats Cal as a town power role IMO)

18 minutes ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

If you staunchly support that trio, with only LP as a maybe, why do you accept Hero's condemnation, when he has pegged both Ebon and LP, and thus contradicts your staunch stance?

Because of the speed Cal and Clon voted for LP minutes after Hero’s scan is out, there’s like around 36hours left. Are they trying to use LP as a scapegoat, even if he’s scum?

Remember last game where you don’t believe my scan? I see Hero’s scan as informative, but taken into consideration that this game is experimental, the chance that “anti town” to include 3rd party roles is higher. Last game on my scan (Cal as mod) He wrote direct 3rd party, not town/anti town vagueness.

Vote count please @The Jabbawookie

11 minutes ago, Constantine Valdor said:

Because of the speed Cal and Clon voted for LP minutes after Hero’s scan is out, there’s like around 36hours left. Are they trying to use LP as a scapegoat, even if he’s scum?

Remember last game where you don’t believe my scan? I see Hero’s scan as informative, but taken into consideration that this game is experimental, the chance that “anti town” to include 3rd party roles is higher. Last game on my scan (Cal as mod) He wrote direct 3rd party, not town/anti town vagueness.

thank you CV, 36hrs and having someone half way to being lynched is odd.

and yep experimental to the point where i'm willing to bet Jabba put in the insane cop after his bulls to the wall claim last game

Two options re caldias, run him up to L1 and force him to claim, or go around the crowd asking each player to claim doc/not doc.

Heros story is so fantastical I think I'd prob lynch there also...

20 minutes ago, EbonHawk said:

Well Pod said he was a protecter and hinted BG after saying he was not a Doc? You inferring something else from that then? and Cal as I've said is either Mason/Cop or a liar. So hmmm

I hadn't known what to take him as. I was just pointing out that you had taken his role for granted.

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Why not? Doesn't matter if hero is insane or cult, I know my role and feel from his push LP is town. add to that if pod/hero/cal are all telling the truth as town, it doesn't look to good does it? and as said of the 3 people voting LP I'm sure they're not all town, so you in there for that really.. .

" Insane Cop/Cal Sane Cop, would confirm me and LP, plus Hero/Cal meaning scum/cult is Mad/Pod/Clon/CV/Gnips" plus pod as a BG or whatever he is that narrows it down even more so Mad/Clon/CV/Gnips max 3 cult and 4 people left unverified?

The bold bit is why I asked, mainly. I am not voting for LP, so why am I lumped with those who are in your lists?

Addressing the broader issue: Hero may be paranoid, which means that LP wouldn't be cleared just because you are. It also assumes that Cal is telling the truth, which I wouldn't bet on. I am also not sold on the cult idea, though it is plausible.

18 minutes ago, EbonHawk said:

also wrong, as I know the only way possible he got that read on me is because he's insane... I can see why people might not take that for granted, but I know that if true and he isn't a cult pushing, that narrows it down. So it's not a cop hero, and that means Cal is the sane cop.. (see his asking to role-claim D1 and shadiness, thats Cal as a town power role IMO)

You misunderstood. I wasn't saying Hero was necessarily a cop, I was breaking down your list by roles. I.e.

"1DOC [The person Cal referred to], 1 BG [Pod], AND 2 COPS [Hero + Cal?], PLUS WHATEVER CAL IS " would count Cal twice, since his is the only claim that could resemble cop. Hence I was pointing out that, claimwise, we would only have 1 cop (Hero's claim) and Cal. Otherwise you are implying 3 cop claims (Hero, Cal, ?) without that many actually being accounted for.

If Cal is telling the truth, then I agree that we seem to have a glut of power roles. If Hero is ALSO telling the truth, then it is partially balanced by the uncertainty of insanity/paranoia, and the cult becomes more likely. However, I personally doubt that Cal is telling the truth (and will until I have a role claim at the earliest), which means Hero's tale is a bit more likely. It is also possible that he got those results because you have been infected, assuming your idea of cult is correct. Basically, your assumption about his plans were he cult could just as well apply to you.

5 minutes ago, Constantine Valdor said:

Because of the speed Cal and Clon voted for LP minutes after Hero’s scan is out, there’s like around 36hours left. Are they trying to use LP as a scapegoat, even if he’s scum? 

My point was that the above assumes Cal, Clon, Bertie (proven) AND LP and Ebon might be scum, as you mostly suspect the first two yet accept Hero's word on LP as possible, which means you must also accept his word on Ebon. I don't believe we have 4 scum remaining (or rather, it is unlikely), and yet you seem to be most sure of two that haven't been scanned yet only acknowledge the possibility of one of the two that have been scanned.

5 minutes ago, Constantine Valdor said:

Remember last game where you don’t believe my scan? I see Hero’s scan as informative, but taken into consideration that this game is experimental, the chance that “anti town” to include 3rd party roles is higher. Last game on my scan (Cal as mod) He wrote direct 3rd party, not town/anti town vagueness.

No, Cal did it 'wrong', i.e. the normal is 'town'/'anti-town' (which was why I didn't believe you at first), so the probability it almost certain that 'anti-town' includes 3rd party, though BECAUSE it is experimental it is not completely certain. And, even then, I would assume that the experimental had to do with role combos, not returned results on traditional roles.

17 minutes ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

My point was that the above assumes Cal, Clon, Bertie (proven) AND LP and Ebon might be scum, as you mostly suspect the first two yet accept Hero's word on LP as possible, which means you must also accept his word on Ebon. I don't believe we have 4 scum remaining (or rather, it is unlikely), and yet you seem to be most sure of two that haven't been scanned yet only acknowledge the possibility of one of the two that have been scanned.

No, Cal did it 'wrong', i.e. the normal is 'town'/'anti-town' (which was why I didn't believe you at first), so the probability it almost certain that 'anti-town' includes 3rd party, though BECAUSE it is experimental it is not completely certain. And, even then, I would assume that the experimental had to do with role combos, not returned results on traditional roles.

Like I said, I already suspected Cal/Clon since D2, independent from Hero’s scan.

Taking their reaction to Hero’s scan (not the content of scan itself) , I find their Blitz vote concerning, futuring my suspicion on both of them.

My suspicion of LP had also been expressed on D2 when Pod asked. Mostly because of his willingness to follow the at-the-time not Town confirmed LTD. Doing side-by-side comparison, my post and LP was similar (observatory posts), the difference being me getting called out by EBON but LP didn’t get called out. Something to remember in the coming days.

Never have I state Hero’s scan is 100% the truth, if I did, I would have voted LP directly after the Blitz voters, which would have put him at L-1, but I still held my view on Cal/Clon at the moment. (Sunday 25.11 14.40, GMT+1)

Regarding the Cal game, Idk, I played to few to notice any “right” way of moderating, might need some advice when I’m moderating on my own. Maybe each Mod has their own style?

##unvote

Okay, guys, I will full claim as it seems we might have reached the point where it is more worth the information we will glean than my life. I am the town doctor, I worded it the way I did to not give everything away. There is a restriction in my ability to self-protect. I worry I will be dead tonight. So, if Pod isn't lying, then we can do the circle of protection, assuming there isn't another roleblocker.

Hero's out-of-nowhere claim doesn't read as a scum ploy. No need to do it. I probably voted a little too hastily last night without thinking, I DID HAVE SOME BEVERAGES.

Safest thing to do is vote on Hero.

If he flips cop, we will know his sanity and how to proceed.

If he flips scum, even better.

##vote Herowannabe

1 hour ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

No, Cal did it 'wrong', i.e. the normal is 'town'/'anti-town' (which was why I didn't believe you at first), so the probability it almost certain that 'anti-town' includes 3rd party, though BECAUSE it is experimental it is not completely certain. And, even then, I would assume that the experimental had to do with role combos, not returned results on traditional roles.

I do apologize for not knowing the traditional way of revealing this. Lesson learned.

36 minutes ago, Constantine Valdor said:

Regarding the Cal game, Idk, I played to few to notice any “right” way of moderating, might need some advice when I’m moderating on my own. Maybe each Mod has their own style?

Next time I mod, I will probably mention a caveat that I will mod things the way I see to be the best fit for the game which may or may not deviate from how traditional games are modded. I've never been a faction cop that investigated a scum (of if I was I don't remember) so I didn't really know which was the "right" way to reveal information.

Flavor-wise, I think it makes sense for a jedi to "sense" someone who isn't sith evil but who isn't a normal town person either.

1 minute ago, Caldias said:

I do apologize for not knowing the traditional way of revealing this. Lesson learned.

Next time I mod, I will probably mention a caveat that I will mod things the way I see to be the best fit for the game which may or may not deviate from how traditional games are modded. I've never been a faction cop that investigated a scum (of if I was I don't remember) so I didn't really know which was the "right" way to reveal information.

Flavor-wise, I think it makes sense for a jedi to "sense" someone who isn't sith evil but who isn't a normal town person either.

I need to learn some basics too before starting to mod my own game

Wow. I guess we just like posting while I’m asleeep.

So, interesting bit of new information, that Hero is a cop. Its particularly interesting I think, because I am a cop. Furthermore, I know for a fact that I’m either insane or paranoid, because I drew an anti-town result off Matt. I was hoping to go further along without claiming, but I’m forced into this by Hero’s claim.

My actions;

N1- scan Matt/ anti-town.

N2- scan Gnips/ anti-town.

So what does this mean regarding Hero? Well, he could be afflicted with the same malady of the mind that I am. He could also be completely full of ****. I do think he’s right that we should hang one of the people he mentioned and try to clear this up. If he’s sane, he’s pegged our last two scum. If he’s not, it should become clear immediately.

43 minutes ago, Caldias said:

Okay, guys, I will full claim as it seems we might have reached the point where it is more worth the information we will glean than my life. I am the town doctor, I worded it the way I did to not give everything away. There is a restriction in my ability to self-protect. I worry I will be dead tonight. So, if Pod isn't lying, then we can do the circle of protection, assuming there isn't another roleblocker.

Hero's out-of-nowhere claim doesn't read as a scum ploy. No need to do it. I probably voted a little too hastily last night without thinking, I DID HAVE SOME BEVERAGES.

Safest thing to do is vote on Hero.

If he flips cop, we will know his sanity and how to proceed.

If he flips scum, even better.

##vote Herowannabe

I don’t know if there’s any guarantee we’d get a sanity in addition to his role upon death.

5 hours ago, Lord Preyer said:

~  ~> if He  ro unit scanned this unit N1 then Hero unit’s delay in hostile action (including covert, non-reveal based action) is...curious.~~

@Lord Preyer most of what you said isn’t worth my debating because it can all be sorted by simply lynching one of us. But as to this the answer is simple- I wanted to see what you’d do- who you would defend, who you would attack, etc, knowing that you were (probably, assuming I’m a sane-cop) anti-town. As a cop it’s often better to wait a cycle or two before revealing what you’ve learned- it gives you a better chance at figuring out and pinning down the other scum-mates.

I revealed when I did. Because I didn’t want to wait another cycle and risk getting NK’ed before I could reveal my findings.

7 minutes ago, Madaghmire said:

I don’t know if there’s any guarantee we’d get a sanity in addition to his role upon death.

That's a good question, I'll ask Jabba. I know in previous games we did, but Jabba might not intend to this game.

##unvote for a second

21 minutes ago, Madaghmire said:

Wow. I guess we just like posting while I’m asleeep.

So, interesting bit of new information, that Hero is a cop. Its particularly interesting I think, because I am a cop. Furthermore, I know for a fact that I’m either insane or paranoid, because I drew an anti-town result off Matt. I was hoping to go further along without claiming, but I’m forced into this by Hero’s claim.

My actions;

N1- scan Matt/ anti-town.

N2- scan Gnips/ anti-town.

So what does this mean regarding Hero? Well, he could be afflicted with the same malady of the mind that I am. He could also be completely full of ****. I do think he’s right that we should hang one of the people he mentioned and try to clear this up. If he’s sane, he’s pegged our last two scum. If he’s not, it should become clear immediately.

Why is it a better course to hang one of his targets and not GNIP based on your own investigation? If we hang GNIP we confirm if you're worthy of protection or if you're a scum, as well as confirm GNIP. If we hang Hero's target we "confirm" if he's a sane or insane cop, but he could still be lying scum and play on "cleared"

Just now, Caldias said:

Why is it a better course to hang one of his targets and not GNIP based on your own investigation? If we hang GNIP we confirm if you're worthy of protection or if you're a scum, as well as confirm GNIP. If we hang Hero's target we "confirm" if he's a sane or insane cop, but he could still be lying scum and play on "cleared"

Because;

1) I’m already sure that my results are in some way, tainted

2) we learn more from lynching one of the people hero mentioned. I didnt say scan targets. I said people Hero mentioned. Hero mentioned himself. I think we learn more from lynching one of the three people hero mentioned, since it splashes back on the other two.

LP was scanned first right?

Flip LP, see the result and then go from there?

35 minutes ago, Madaghmire said:

Wow. I guess we just like posting while I’m asleeep.

So, interesting bit of new information, that Hero is a cop. Its particularly interesting I think, because I am a cop. Furthermore, I know for a fact that I’m either insane or paranoid, because I drew an anti-town result off Matt. I was hoping to go further along without claiming, but I’m forced into this by Hero’s claim.

My actions;

N1- scan Matt/ anti-town.

N2- scan Gnips/ anti-town.

So what does this mean regarding Hero? Well, he could be afflicted with the same malady of the mind that I am. He could also be completely full of ****. I do think he’s right that we should hang one of the people he mentioned and try to clear this up. If he’s sane, he’s pegged our last two scum. If he’s not, it should become clear immediately.

On mobile and I only have a few minutes so I’ll be quick. First in response to @EbonHawk and everything else that has been said about me up to now: I have been 100% truthful and as I indicated before, I’m happily willing to sacrifice myself to prove it. I’ll even vote for myself if that’s what the group wants, because we probably learn more from my death than anyone else’s.

@Madaghmire ‘s claim is interesting because he’s saying that he IS an insane/paranoid cop.

12 minutes ago, Caldias said:

Why is it a better course to hang one of his targets and not GNIP based on your own investigation? If we hang GNIP we confirm if you're worthy of protection or if you're a scum, as well as confirm GNIP. If we hang Hero's target we "confirm" if he's a sane or insane cop, but he could still be lying scum and play on "cleared"

Lynching GNIP tells us nothing because we already know Mad isn’t a sane cop.

1 hour ago, Caldias said:

If he flips cop, we will know his sanity and how to proceed.

If he flips scum, even better.

##vote Herowannabe

28 minutes ago, Madaghmire said:

I don’t know if there’s any guarantee we’d get a sanity in addition to his role upon death.

Traditionally, as stated on Mafiawiki, a cop's sanity is NOT revealed on death.

@Herowannabe - you can't vote yourself.

5 minutes ago, Madaghmire said:

Because;

1) I’m already sure that my results are in some way, tainted

2) we learn more from lynching one of the people hero mentioned. I didnt say scan targets. I said people Hero mentioned. Hero mentioned himself. I think we learn more from lynching one of the three people hero mentioned, since it splashes back on the other two.

Let's ignore #1 as the rest of town doesn't now anything other than people are claiming

We vote GNIP:

• Best Case: We catch both scum dead to rights
• Worst Case: We hang town but confirm a cop to town, Mads could be lying and he would be soft "cleared"

We vote Mads:

• Best case: We catch both scum dead to rights
• Worst case: We confirm Mads is a cop, and we know his sanity regardless of Jabba's results

We actually get the best, most useful information if we hang Mads, unless Jabba confirms sanity is revealed upon death. Here's my breakdown

We lynch Hero

• Best Case: We catch both scum dead-to-rights (Assuming Jabba reveals sanity upon death)
• Worst Case: We hang a town and confirm two others from a cop (Assuming Jabba reveals sanity upon death)

We vote LP:

• Best Case: We catch both scum dead to rights
• Worst Case: We hang town but confirm a cop to town, Hero could be lying and he would be soft "cleared"

We vote EbonHawk:

• Best Case: We catch both scum dead to rights
• Worst Case: We hang town but confirm a cop to town, Hero could be lying and he would be soft "cleared"

Any thoughts are welcome here.

Just now, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

Traditionally, as stated on Mafiawiki, a cop's sanity is NOT revealed on death.

@Herowannabe - you can't vote yourself.

If that's the case, hanging Mad is the best course of action.

11 minutes ago, PodRacer said:

LP was scanned first right?

Flip LP, see the result and then go from there?

I want to see if Jabba will tell us whether lynching a cop would give us their sanity. If so, I think we have to lynch Hero, it could break the game open.