Just now, PodRacer said:

Am i not right?

yes.

Scum kill matt, you protect mad - BD - mad dies

scum kill mad, you protect mad - BD, matt dies

On 11/18/2018 at 10:29 PM, Caldias said:

Hmmm. Well, just for now:

##vote Matt3412

So, looking through the lens I described above, I looked through the game again. These posts struck me but i had to curtail analysis as I was worried i was low on time. This post has no reason.

On 11/18/2018 at 11:30 PM, Madaghmire said:

Because?

On 11/18/2018 at 11:34 PM, Caldias said:

The old "picking someone at random because golly gee we need a lynch" gambit. Esp since we still have half a day left to sift.

Which I challenged and received a fair response to. Still, unsurprising people had issues with Cal.

On 11/19/2018 at 8:27 AM, Constantine Valdor said:

#NeverTrustCaldias

## vote Caldias

Not a reason.

On 11/19/2018 at 8:57 AM, Caldias said:

Considering this is your first substantive post, I find it a little funny that you're finger wagging at me. Sure, most of my posts have been jokey posts, but I've been present. Don't think you're scum per se, but my eyes are likewise locked on you, good sir.

This one is Bertie's first real post, unless you count him dividing 1 by 11 substantive. Could be a scum jump-on bandwagon thing, trying to follow GNIP and possibly throw blame on him later after I flip town if the lynch is successful.

Mmmkay.

Lot of shade.

On 11/19/2018 at 9:13 AM, Bertie Wooster said:

Is your motive for voting Caldias just because he tends to be scum more often than not? Or are you quoting my post because you agree with my reasoning?

Town questions. Could also be cautious scum not wanting to be seen as be driving force behind a town lynch.

On 11/19/2018 at 9:21 AM, Constantine Valdor said:

I agree with your reasoning and my ongoing rivarly with Cal 😂

Not a reason.

On 11/19/2018 at 9:56 AM, Bertie Wooster said:

I don't really like "rivalries" by the way, not saying it's a scum thing, just that it allows scum to hide easier if two town members get into a shouting match.

100% agree. Bertie looking townish, although I would say this as scum specifically to look that way. It had the benefits of being true but also not actually hurting the case agaisnt Cal, if Bertie were scum.

On 11/19/2018 at 10:34 AM, Madaghmire said:

Well but he’s saying he wont be online between the post and nightfall. Its not ideal, surely, but does it lend itself to scum play?

To Caldias Re: his matt vote. He said it was to garner a ressponse, which seems odd. Why try to garner a response from someone who claimed he wouldn’t be on. It proved moot, since Matt came back on, and I had forgotten about it.

On 11/19/2018 at 12:31 PM, Bertie Wooster said:

I think Mad means "would scum vote for scum on D1?" (Hey that rhymes!)

My answer to that would be a firm "no." Hence why I said Matt and Cal are almost certainly not BOTH scum.

Inclined to agree, and we know matt is town.

On 11/19/2018 at 2:16 PM, clontroper5 said:

Upon review, Agreed that targeting @Caldias is most likely to return a positive outcome. However should further information reveal itself we should reevaluate.

## vote @Caldias

They call him; The Vulture. Swoopity swoop.

On 11/19/2018 at 2:52 PM, Caldias said:

Look I don't like claiming on D effing 1, but let me know if it gets to that point with a ping, will you all? I am gonna enter kid land in like an hour.

For now, Matt, I will ##unvote as it seems some more interesting targets have presented themselves. I never thought you were SUPER scummy, just had little to go off

Reads are always dicey Day One, but I don't want town to hurt itself by lynching me prematurely.

On 11/19/2018 at 3:26 PM, Caldias said:

Look, I get that I seem to be an attractive train, but this won't end well for Town. I'm almost leaning to claiming now just so we have time to have another target. Does town think me claiming now is wise? Asking mostly Ebon and Mads as they read the towniest to me so far.

This is important, I think. Twice on D1 Cal alludes to having a role. He lives still. Its something that I think had been coloring my perception, but combined with the Matt kill makes little sense. Matt goes on end the day voting Cal. If Cal was town, scum could have nipped a town role and cast suspicion on Matt, who was in a relatively precarious postion, pertaining to perception, at end D1. Both myself and Bernie were on record as not trusting Matt.

On 11/19/2018 at 5:25 PM, PodRacer said:

I think after last D1 game my policy on people that don't post is clear.

However 'my record speaks for itself' is as close to a soft as we have had in this one which makes me think twice on LTD

This almost clears Pod for me on its own. I dismissed this as a claim at all, but now that I have seen LTD’s flavor it clearly was. Scum how saw that would definetely let it ride.

On 11/20/2018 at 8:51 PM, Bertie Wooster said:

He did also suggest he has a special ability, forgot to mention that. Couldn't find the post.

Mentioned above.

On 11/20/2018 at 9:14 PM, Madaghmire said:

Is there something wrong with me? That D1 from Cal read town to me. I need to look again.

There was. I was high.

On 11/21/2018 at 6:53 AM, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

You misquote me.

My case is that you posted frequently with little to no content actually relevant to the game (I had missed your Matt vote), which is your scum behavior. And when I say that it is your scum behavior, I mean that by D2 or 3 at most I have you pegged as scum based on this, and you turn out to be scum. For example that time I was the saboteur a while back. D2 I knew you were scum, and had a difficult time in coming up with reasons not to vote you.

Thus, the fact that that post was my 'first substantive post' is entirely irrelevant, since I care not for post quantity but post quality. This has been exemplified by the fact that I notoriously post little - I seldom have anything to say. Why, then, would I penalize somebody for doing the same (also why I am against policy-lynching the absentees)? No, my is issue is rather with those who post quantity but not quality purely to be seen as posting, and they then use these quotes in their defense to say that they were 'involved'. They have done nothing, but because they have been seen to do nothing, they are given a pass over those who have done nothing without been present. I find this annoying and I would rather vote for those who fill up space with empty posts rather than those who have not had a chance to post at all. Especially when the former have consistently done so ONLY as scum.

This is my case, and I have as of yet seen no reason to change it. In fact, for lack of any better target at the moment:

##vote Caldias

Moving on to other people, I don't understand why we have given LTD a pass purely for avoiding the lynch. He and Ebon have taken it as a given and are promoting that assumption, and I find that dangerous. As Bertie and Jabba together pointed out above, that is not the case, and thus I say that giving LTD a pass is risky.

Also, I get the impression from Ebon that his post about Matt claiming Doc is an attempt to excuse himself. Sort of like 'Gee, that was a risky claim, right? Anybody?' As if to admit that that was why Matt had died and seeing if anybody bought it. I am not convinced of this of course, but I thought it worthwhile to throw the thought out there for people to consider.

Lastly: @Lord Preyer - you need to get your object references updated. It is @EbonHawk not @ebon hawk .

This reads to me as town Nips, and should be weighted heavily.

On 11/21/2018 at 11:30 AM, PodRacer said:

@Caldias

Why is mad town?

Pod asks the important questions.

On 11/21/2018 at 12:22 PM, Caldias said:

Because while he is always scum-hunting, or appearing to be, regardless of alignment, he also tends to be less open with intentions/information as scum in my experience. He's been open with his reasoning and deliberately stating intentions. I can't really put a finger on it but this feels Mad town, not Mad scum.

For example, when Matt came back, he said he didn't think Matt was looking good anymore. Scum Mad I think would've laid a vote with that, instead of just say it. I could be wrong, but Mad feels town.

Ebon is usually more combative as scum in my experience. Ebon is collected and calculating, which feels town.

By no means are they "cleared," just stating my observations based on behavior.

And I am saying they feel town to me to offer anyone the chance to counter that based on their behavior, or not, as they see fit.

And this post is why I’m still on the fence for cal. This is a rock solid read on one of my own scumtells. That he says this leads me to believe its the frame of mind hes looking at the game through, and that means town. Which leaves me, in tbe whole of the Bertie/Pod/CV/Nips/Cal saga looking sqaurely at CV.

On 11/21/2018 at 7:58 PM, Bertie Wooster said:

I don't know for sure if CV is scum but I didn't like how he jumped on my Cal votes D1. He did get quiet for a long time after I made this post, and never responded to it.

And yes, claiming vanilla town when you're not under pressure is a terrible idea; I think most of us would agree there (except Podracer, who "liked" his post for some reason I'm not sure of).

On 11/21/2018 at 8:03 PM, PodRacer said:

CV said he was Vanilla 'now' didn't he implying he had a spent 1 shot ability or did I read that wrong?

The bad voting D1, the lack of substantive analysis and wierd holes make CV my favorite target, atm, as a point of failure in this mess. It could be Cal, for reasons I point out above, most movingly to me is the scum target of Matt given their respective D1’s, the allusion to a role vs continued life, and Gnips testimony. But if he does have a town role, I want to give him another night to make it work for us, at least.

Holding the vote tho, to see what ive missed in tbe time i was composing this, in case new and important info has come to light.

Just now, Caldias said:

I am willing to say I know someone other than Pod is a doctor

##unvote

@Caldias

Where did I claim Doctor?

3 minutes ago, Herowannabe said:

13 minutes ago, Bertie Wooster said:

Woah wait what? What’s a bus driver? I’m unfamiliar with this term.

switches two targets at night.

10 minutes ago, EbonHawk said:

came in as I posted.. hmm.. plausible but also reminds me of jabba claiming a power role last game... any other busdrivers? (unlikely)

and @Madaghmire did you get notified of anything involving you last night?

No.

Just now, PodRacer said:

@Caldias

Where did I claim Doctor?

so you're saying Bodyguard I guess?

1 minute ago, PodRacer said:

@Caldias

Where did I claim Doctor?

Fair, I suppose you could be another role. But if there is a doctor then would it make sense to have a bodyguard?

I think Bertie is still scummy, so can vote back on him. But this should be sorted.

Just now, Caldias said:

Fair, I suppose you could be another role. But if there is a doctor then would it make sense to have a bodyguard?

only if lots of killing roles, if only scum and cult no. As isn't cult immune to BG and Doc?

Just now, Caldias said:

I think Bertie is still scummy, so can vote back on him. But this should be sorted.

under 40 mins

Just now, EbonHawk said:

only if lots of killing roles, if only scum and cult no. As isn't cult immune to BG and Doc?

I think so

Wow what a ****fest. Theres a lot happening here.

1 minute ago, Caldias said:

Fair, I suppose you could be another role. But if there is a doctor then would it make sense to have a bodyguard?

Im trying to think how you could have that result on another player outside of a nieghbourhood maybe?

Just now, PodRacer said:

Im trying to think how you could have that result on another player outside of a nieghbourhood maybe?

Mason group max 2 cal and doc

Cop - cal scanned doc

cult - he recruited the doc (would be the funniest)

Cop would just get Town/not town surely unless he's hardclaiming Rolecop..

The rash Vote wiithout explanation'wasn't pro town' shall we say...

Just now, PodRacer said:

Cop would just get Town/not town surely unless he's hardclaiming Rolecop..

that would be my best guess as well, would explain his thing about claiming D1

If it comes down to Pod V Cal I believe Pod, in my large analysis post above I have a much better feeling about Pod.

2 minutes ago, PodRacer said:

The rash Vote wiithout explanation'wasn't pro town' shall we say...

It's no fun when the rabbit has the gun, is it?

4 minutes ago, PodRacer said:

The rash Vote wiithout explanation'wasn't pro town' shall we say...

We don't have time to beat around the bush, so I figured a vote would be the best way to get everyone's attention

Re: Pods/Bertie’s claims tho;

If Pod protected me, and Bertie bus’d me and matt, wouldn’t that mean Pod should have protected Matt from a NKill?

You need to explain the source of your Info RN cal..

Just now, Madaghmire said:

Re: Pods/Bertie’s claims tho;

If Pod protected me, and Bertie bus’d me and matt, wouldn’t that mean Pod should have protected Matt from a NKill?

Yes.