On 11/19/2018 at 4:57 AM, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

Not much to say, due to lack of anything going on, so this post is just to show I am still here.

I can understand a little bit Matt's vote, given that he isn't going to be present for EOD, but I find his vote far too premature unless he is absenting himself from now. Otherwise, he still would have time to discuss and watch conversations rather than randomly voting.

I find Pod and Ebon acting normal.

Cal seems to be doing his scummy thing of posting but without content, so I am keeping an eye on him and advise you all to do the same.

LP has his flavor back (YAY!) and seems mostly clean for now, though he seems to have consistently missed the reasons for Pod's voting.

That's all I have for now.

Fair enough, I did misquote. You didn't accuse me directly because of jokes, you accused me because I was posting without content, and you missed my post on Matt, so that all adds up.

Still, at that point, Pod had posted more with less content, and he somehow was omitted from your suspicion list, which I find interesting. Would you like to weigh in on that?

9 minutes ago, Caldias said:

Fair enough, I did misquote. You didn't accuse me directly because of jokes, you accused me because I was posting without content, and you missed my post on Matt, so that all adds up. 

Still, at that point, Pod had posted more with less content, and he somehow was omitted from your suspicion list, which I find interesting. Would you like to weigh in on that?

Yes. As I said, I considered that normal Pod. There was nothing to indicate that it was one way or the other with him. While I would wish his content was more useful, his methods seem to work, or at least have in the past.

The difference between you two was that his posts were normal for himself, yours were distinctly scummy for yourself. Had you been in the habit of only posting as you had D1, I would not have brought it up. But since you only do it when scum, it was something noteworthy.

5 hours ago, Caldias said:

Self-diagnostics indicate that my systems are virus-free. However there is a small possibility that my self-diagnostic systems have been tampered with and are giving a false reading. Also, this takes into consideration the minuscule chance that in this great war of good vs evil that the Jedi are in fact the good guys and we represent the forces of evil, and that the saboteurs are justified in their actions. Utterly ridiculous, I know, but my logic circuits insist that I take into account the slight possibility.

Hence the 1% chance that I should be deactivated.

++Processing @GhostofNobodyInParticular Guilt Supposition-Target: @Caldias ++

++INTERNAL:

>case against Caldias unit based on approx. 50% logic/50% droid Gradual Utterance Tracking (G.U.T.) subroutine

>this makes for an acceptable margin at D2

>EXCEPT: target choice of Matt unit degrades Cal attack probabilities

>Further: comms to both @EbonHawk and @ebon hawk reach same receiving unit. Correct? This unit welcomes clarity on preferred object comms.++

++Prelim. Cal conclusion: possible not (yet) probable. Insufficient for VoteZap at this time++

++Scanning...++

7 minutes ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

Yes. As I said, I considered that normal Pod. There was nothing to indicate that it was one way or the other with him. While I would wish his content was more useful, his methods seem to work, or at least have in the past.

The difference between you two was that his posts were normal for himself, yours were distinctly scummy for yourself. Had you been in the habit of only posting as you had D1, I would not have brought it up. But since you only do it when scum, it was something noteworthy.

I skimmed through some past games, and "Stranded on the Katana" is interesting. Caldias and Pod were both town, and Caldias was calling out Pod for being scummy then too. Same Pod behavior.

Fast forward to this game, Caldias is calling out Pod again, for the exact same behavior. Wouldn't town Cal have learned from the past that this is how Pod operates?

##vote Caldias

Just now, Bertie Wooster said:

I skimmed through some past games, and "Stranded on the Katana" is interesting. Caldias and Pod were both town, and Caldias was calling out Pod for being scummy then too. Same Pod behavior.

Fast forward to this game, Caldias is calling out Pod again, for the exact same behavior. Wouldn't town Cal have learned from the past that this is how Pod operates?

##vote Caldias

I think any Cal would have learned that that is how Pod operates. I believe the question was more to point out a supposed inconsistency in my behavior.

18 minutes ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

Yes. As I said, I considered that normal Pod. There was nothing to indicate that it was one way or the other with him. While I would wish his content was more useful, his methods seem to work, or at least have in the past.

The difference between you two was that his posts were normal for himself, yours were distinctly scummy for yourself. Had you been in the habit of only posting as you had D1, I would not have brought it up. But since you only do it when scum, it was something noteworthy.

Cool, that makes sense. I disagree about me being particularly scummy, as in Day One if everyone posted only posts with content then no one would, as there would be nothing to discuss, but as I said before, at least you have reasons which is more than others had.

3 minutes ago, Lord Preyer said:

>Further: comms to both @EbonHawk and @ebon hawk reach same receiving unit. Correct? This unit welcomes clarity on preferred object

No, he has lost access to the latter, hence his use of the former.

++Cf.: @LTD VoteZap Shielding++

++Access Library Computer++

*whirrr_click!*

++ https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Lynchproof ++

~~ANALYSIS: file indicates likely probability of non-corruption whilst acknowledging possibility of corruption. REASON: Potential for corrupted unit risks OverPowered scenario weighting~~

~~STATEMENT: this unit will act for now on basis of probable likelihood that LTD unit is non-corrupted~~

11 hours ago, Caldias said:

Hey everyone, pretty awesome flop there. Glad the lynch on LTD was a net positive for us.

I thought so too. Hate to lose a town, but Matt was one of my primary suspects, so with him gone I won't be distracted by him.

Bertie, I'm not really sure what you mean by me snapping back. I pushed back on GNIP because, while he gave some reasoning for his suspicions on me, I didn't think they were good ones, personally. Pod jumping on for the lynch read as a bit opportunistic to me, as did Clons. No one gave reasoning (except GNIP, which again, I didn't find compelling) for their vote on me so I thought it was natural to push back on that. For instance, Matt's vote on you was for a bad reason, I thought, so I also called that one out too.

I guess I need to reread, but what is the case for voting Bertie, again? He didn't seem scummy to me, either. Right now Pod and maybe GNIP are fairly high on my smells-like-scum flavortron.

In the absence of a stronger read I will stick with cal, however a green flip, if it goes all the way will make me suspicious of gnip and bertie.

Better get it right eh?

Fair point GNIP, but,

11 hours ago, Caldias said:

Rig ht now Pod and maybe GNIP are fairly high on my smells-like-scum flavortron.

10 hours ago, Caldias said:

Ok. that makes sense. Pod's D1 behavior was weird, and I don't mean Pod weird. But probably not worth dwelling on. I'll try to give more of a read of the D1 vomit and see if I can glean anything useful.

I still think Caldias is actually trying to push on Pod, and not just rhetorically. We've seen this before, when scum Caldias suggests someone might be scum but doesn't vote until there's a train going and it's close to the end of the day.

12 minutes ago, Bertie Wooster said:

Fair point GNIP, but,

I still think Caldias is actually trying to push on Pod, and not just rhetorically. We've seen this before, when scum Caldias suggests someone might be scum but doesn't vote until there's a train going and it's close to the end of the day.

I see zero reason to vote this early, either as scum or town. Voting early can make people seem like they are bandwagon-jumpers if votes change, which is likely to happen as things develop.

I also feel that leaving votes on people is dangerous, as if something unforseen makes it difficult to come back, scum can train it and then point fingers later.

I'm not pushing on Pod as much as I'm stating my suspicions.

FWIW, aside from Mads and Ebon, everyone else is seeming pretty scummy to me, I'm just stating which apples are bobbing to the top.

catching up

8 hours ago, Herowannabe said:

H3-R0 finally straightened up from cleaning T0-26’s charging cradle. Droids have a surprising amount of fluids in them, and they- plus the scorch marks- it took a long time to clean out of a charging cable.

H3 turned to his next task- identifying the defective droids. His central processor whirred, and H3’s visual field was overlayed with the following report:

SUSPICION LEVELS

1% = low probability of corruption

100% = guaranteed corrupted

50% = no reading one way or the other

@Madaghmire : 50%

@GhostofNobodyInParticular : 55% -

@Caldias : 65% - Bertie makes a pretty good case, and right now I’m leaning village on Bertie. Sort of.

@EbonHawk : 65% - Posts seem a little too clean to me. And as a janitor droid when I find something clean and I wasn’t the one that cleaned it, it makes me wonder what’s being covered up

@PodRacer : 55%

@clontroper5 : 60% - Posts also seem a little off to me

@Bertie Wooster : 35% - Expressed suspicion of Matt right before Matt was killed. Likely that Team Scum wanted to cast suspicion on him.

@Herowannabe : 1%

@Constantine Valdor : 55%

@Lord Preyer : 40%

@LTD : ???

So wait, is LTD confirmed good now? I took the GM’s narration as flavor and fluff- not as an actual confirmation of alignment, but everyone else is reading it as GM-confirmed. @The Jabbawookie Can you clarify whether or not your post was meant just as flavor or something more?

...

Well... okay. It looks like I was the only one who read that as fluff. Nevemind me then.

@LTD : 2%

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Conclusion: Caldias and Ebon are my two biggest suspects at the moment for now I’m going to put my vote on Ebon, for sake of discussion, though I could still be persuaded to change that.

##vote: @EbonHawk

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@The Jabbawookie Proposal: what if we lock down voting over thanksgiving / Black Friday but still leave the thread open for discussion? I was looking forward to being able to participate more during those days.

Hmm, one of your reasons for voting me is saying LTD is clean? haha which is then cleared...

So you're only reasons to vote me is 'I look too clean' xD Sorry I don't look more scum for you Hero... Funny how I'm your top suspect right after I put you in my guts top 4

1 hour ago, Lord Preyer said:

++Processing @GhostofNobodyInParticular Guilt Supposition-Target: @Caldias ++

++INTERNAL:

>case against Caldias unit based on approx. 50% logic/50% droid Gradual Utterance Tracking (G.U.T.) subroutine

>this makes for an acceptable margin at D2

>EXCEPT: target choice of Matt unit degrades Cal attack probabilities

>Further: comms to both @EbonHawk and @ebon hawk reach same receiving unit. Correct? This unit welcomes clarity on preferred object comms.++

++Prelim. Cal conclusion: possible not (yet) probable. Insufficient for VoteZap at this time++

++Scanning...++

Yes LP, lower case ebon is me but I forgot the password.. So all the ebons reach me

1 hour ago, Lord Preyer said:

++Cf.: @LTD VoteZap Shielding++

++Access Library Computer++

*whirrr_click!*

++ https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Lynchproof ++

~~ANALYSIS: file indicates likely probability of non-corruption whilst acknowledging possibility of corruption. REASON: Potential for corrupted unit risks OverPowered scenario weighting~~

~~STATEMENT: this unit will act for now on basis of probable likelihood that LTD unit is non-corrupted~~

I find it hard to believe that LTD would be scum, how on earth would we be expected to kill a scum that's lynchproof as town?

3 minutes ago, EbonHawk said:

I find it hard to believe that LTD would be scum, how on earth would we be expected to kill a scum that's lynchproof as town?

Could have been a one-shot.

Just now, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

Could have been a one-shot.

Doubt it because the only way to find out would be if scum kill him, or we lynch him again...

and I won't be voting LTD again

1 hour ago, PodRacer said:

In the absence of a stronger read I will stick with cal, however a green flip, if it goes all the way will make me suspicious of gnip and bertie.

Better get it right eh?

even now Cals posted? Be honest I read town... But looking past the Pod/Gnips/Cal situation, Hero and Berite stand out to me, both and subtly pushing me and Cal for a case.. both with little evidence

1 hour ago, Caldias said:

I'm not pushing on Pod as much as I'm stating my suspicions.

FWIW, aside from Mads and Ebon, everyone else is seeming pretty scummy to me, I'm just stating which apples are bobbing to the top.

Cal is right about pod acting a little different it may be how he operates guys but there is levels to it... I'll keep an eye on him

If I've narrowed my gut down its to hero/berite..

Pod/Gnips after, I'm just not sure if they're a little misguided on Cal or actually believe it

@Caldias

Why is mad town?

24 minutes ago, PodRacer said:

@Caldias

Why is mad town?

I’ve actually been wondering why I’ve been getting a pass from both Cal and Ebon.

6 minutes ago, Madaghmire said:

I’ve actually been wondering why I’ve been getting a pass from both Cal and Ebon.

I don't know if I've given you a pass this game? But certainly you've not done anything for me to call you out.. yet

Don't think they're one and the same though..

I was a major proponent of the push on LTD. It worked out well, and I stand by my reasoning, but I wouldn’t have faulted anyone for taking me to task on it.

Okay so as it stands to help clear up I'm unsure on all of you, apart from Cal who I'm reading more and more town..

My next top 2 town reads would be LP and Mad, I also haven't pushed LP mad let it be known... I may see the 3 above players as town right now, but let that not be confused with them getting a free pass, I'm watching Cal just as much as I'm watching Pod/Bertie..

Just now, Madaghmire said:

I was a major proponent of the push on LTD. It worked out well, and I stand by my reasoning, but I wouldn’t have faulted anyone for taking me to task on it.

Problem there Mad, is I also pushed on LTD... So would've been hypocritical of me to then go after you as scum for the same... as it stands I would still hang LTD D1 if we went back as it was the best kill, so much even LTD thought it worthy to let it run through..