He did also suggest he has a special ability, forgot to mention that. Couldn't find the post.

so as things are shaping up this is how I see things re the night kill and votes today..

If pod is scum, kills matt pushes bertie for being matts first vote.. although matt voted for him as well

If bertie is scum, kills matt, pushes cal for being matts last vote, and cals vote on matt as well

If cal is scum, he could've killed matt, hoping his push would ease suspicions, and would use the day to target pod/bertie maybe or just hide in plain sight as cal does so well..

I can see pod a little, but I see scum in pod all the time ahha and I think it very unlikely in this game..

so toss up between bertie and cal, I did have small suspicions on cal and I'm hoping today I'll be able to read his game and fine tune my read, so I can't comment on the chance on him killing matt.. Bertie wise I did call him out yesterday for what I noticed was just posting the time, after which he did pick up a bit but he did play a suspicious day 1... but it's 50/50 between them and I'm going to wait and see how this plays out I think that will tell us more than anything D1.

I'm gunna wait for cal to rear his head and tell us his thoughts, but if I'm going off my gut from last game it says bertie/ cal/ hero/ CV I'm almost sure of a scum in there

29 minutes ago, PodRacer said:

##Vote Bertie

If you expound upon this hypothesis I will gladly offer my thoughts.

##unvote

##vote Cal

Is there something wrong with me? That D1 from Cal read town to me. I need to look again.

2 minutes ago, PodRacer said:

##unvote

##vote Cal

I'm intrigued, do you see my scenarios as more cal likely? or you're doing the pod vote and see reactions?

I was sus of Cal D1.

Bertie was sus around the hammer with his lurking, but its harder to prove intent there, so Im good to push Cal.

Just now, PodRacer said:

I was sus of Cal D1.

Bertie was sus around the hammer with his lurking, but its harder to prove intent there, so Im good to push Cal.

pod talking sense, where's my drink gone.. good points though, I agree on both parts..

i'm going for a shower now hopefully after we'll have Cal with us

okay as it is I'm having my last smoke and then going to sleep, 3am now I'll be on for about half hour and then probably be absent for at least 12 hours.. fresh covers tonight, so will post sometime when I wake up and then also remember I'm in a game of mafia.. unless someone posts while I'm on now

@The Jabbawookie If it is still D2 I would prefer to pause Black Friday as I already made plans to play Twilight Imperium with friends that day and many of us are new to the game, so it will take a while.

Unless it's the kind of game where you can be on your phone while most opponents think about their turns. It's my first time, so I don't know.

I would really hate to be the only person holding up the game though, so if I am the only one, I would say continue the game, and I will try my best to keep up with it. And if it's N2 on Black Friday, by all means go on with the game.

Hey everyone, pretty awesome flop there. Glad the lynch on LTD was a net positive for us.

1 hour ago, Madaghmire said:

1) Good job LTD to lean into the skid. You cleared yourself, giving us a verified town to work with and a safe target for any town beneficial roles such as watcher/doc. Plus we got the benefits of the d1 lynch but suffered no loss.

2) I see matt as an odd choice. I have to go back and look to see who he pushed on, but he had drawn suspicion for his rando vote. He was on my list as possible scum.

I thought so too. Hate to lose a town, but Matt was one of my primary suspects, so with him gone I won't be distracted by him.

1 hour ago, Bertie Wooster said:

Anyway, sorry for a million Caldias quotes up there, I don't know how to fit them all into one post. Trying to fit together as many significant posts where Cal voted or made an accusation.

Anyway, Caldias is my number one suspect again, I had let him off the hook D1 after CV jumped on the bandwagon because of a rivalry, and Matt started to look more suspicious to me. I was still suspecting Matt up until the end of D1, but then scum killed him, so there goes that theory.

Re-reading this thread, I can't understand why nearly every time someone votes for Cal or suggests him as scum he just snaps back and re-accuses. CV is the notable exception. It really doesn't seem like typical, reserved Cal. My best guess is that he would lose instantly if he died, so maybe he was an only "cult" member? He seems really panicky when reading these posts.

Bertie, I'm not really sure what you mean by me snapping back. I pushed back on GNIP because, while he gave some reasoning for his suspicions on me, I didn't think they were good ones, personally. Pod jumping on for the lynch read as a bit opportunistic to me, as did Clons. No one gave reasoning (except GNIP, which again, I didn't find compelling) for their vote on me so I thought it was natural to push back on that. For instance, Matt's vote on you was for a bad reason, I thought, so I also called that one out too.

I guess I need to reread, but what is the case for voting Bertie, again? He didn't seem scummy to me, either. Right now Pod and maybe GNIP are fairly high on my smells-like-scum flavortron.

8 minutes ago, Caldias said:

Bertie, I'm not really sure what you mean by me snapping back. I pushed back on GNIP because, while he gave some reasoning for his suspicions on me, I didn't think they were good ones, personally. Pod jumping on for the lynch read as a bit opportunistic to me, as did Clons. No one gave reasoning (except GNIP, which again, I didn't find compelling) for their vote on me so I thought it was natural to push back on that. For instance, Matt's vote on you was for a bad reason, I thought, so I also called that one out too.

I guess I need to reread, but what is the case for voting Bertie, again? He didn't seem scummy to me, either. Right now Pod and maybe GNIP are fairly high on my smells-like-scum flavortron.

Bertie for me, seemed to hide behind posting up the time alot yesterday, then a lurky vote, and jump on you IMO

Pod has been equally jumpy today but I find it hard to probably read him, although he seems town enough to me so far

Just now, EbonHawk said:

Bertie for me, seemed to hide behind posting up the time alot yesterday, then a lurky vote, and jump on you IMO

Pod has been equally jumpy today but I find it hard to probably read him, although he seems town enough to me so far

properly*

Ok. that makes sense. Pod's D1 behavior was weird, and I don't mean Pod weird. But probably not worth dwelling on. I'll try to give more of a read of the D1 vomit and see if I can glean anything useful.

9 minutes ago, Caldias said:

Hey everyone, pretty awesome flop there. Glad the lynch on LTD was a net positive for us.

I thought so too. Hate to lose a town, but Matt was one of my primary suspects, so with him gone I won't be distracted by him.

Bertie, I'm not really sure what you mean by me snapping back. I pushed back on GNIP because, while he gave some reasoning for his suspicions on me, I didn't think they were good ones, personally. Pod jumping on for the lynch read as a bit opportunistic to me, as did Clons. No one gave reasoning (except GNIP, which again, I didn't find compelling) for their vote on me so I thought it was natural to push back on that. For instance, Matt's vote on you was for a bad reason, I thought, so I also called that one out too.

I thought GNIP made a good case, and your response seemed unusually defensive at the time.

I agree that Pod and clon didn't give much reason, but I feel like that's typical town Pod on D1. He doesn't say much but his instincts are usually pretty good when he settles on a target. I don't know how town clon plays (he was scum in the first game I played, and died D1 in the second) so I will not argue that one, not enough information on my part. I still think my post that you reacted against was pretty solid reasoning, and so did GNIP and CV.

I'm not voting yet though, there's plenty of time.

for what it's worth to the rest of you I'm leaning Cal as town RN, Pod stands out today for his votes but D1 looks clean to me, will watch how his game unfolds even more so now cal has posted.. and I'm watching bertie he's very intriguing..

anyway I'm off to bed now so will catch you guys tomorrow

5 minutes ago, Bertie Wooster said:

I thought GNIP made a good case, and your response seemed unusually defensive at the time.

I agree that Pod and clon didn't give much reason, but I feel like that's typical town Pod on D1. He doesn't say much but his instincts are usually pretty good when he settles on a target. I don't know how town clon plays (he was scum in the first game I played, and died D1 in the second) so I will not argue that one, not enough information on my part. I still think my post that you reacted against was pretty solid reasoning, and so did GNIP and CV.

I'm not voting yet though, there's plenty of time.

His only case was that I seemed to be scummy because I was making jokes, which is something I do as scum or as town, so I didn't find it to be a fair read.

He also said I didn't post anything useful, which was untrue as I had already voted Matt and gave my reason for doing so. He could've missed that before his post I suppose, but that still looked fishy to me. So I pointed that out to him, as well as pointed out he wasn't exactly a star contributor either. I don't consider my responses particularly defensive, but will let the quorum be the judge of that.

My point to him, about that being his first substantive post, is his reason for suspecting me was fairly ironic. But like I said, at least he gave reasons, which is why he's lower on my barometer than Pod/Clon was/is.

On 11/19/2018 at 2:11 PM, Bertie Wooster said:

I will be online again at 6:00pm EST, around 30 minutes before end of D1. I will make my vote then, hopefully after we've heard from some of the quieter players.

In case you're still wondering about my lurking at the end of D1 Pod, keep in mind I did post this.

I logged on about 4 hours later, found there were like 75 posts to read, and "lurked" for twentyish minutes while I tried to keep up with all the new developments before casting my vote.

I will try not to timepost anymore though. And now time for bed.

35 minutes ago, Herowannabe said:

So wait, is LTD confirmed good now? I took the GM’s narration as flavor and fluff- not as an actual confirmation of alignment, but everyone else is reading it as GM-confirmed. @The Jabbawookie Can you clarify whether or not your post was meant just as flavor or something more?

The extent of the actual, flavor-free information I've given you is that the lynch on LTD has failed.

And yeah, I'm open to allowing chat through Thanksgiving. It's really about what all of you want.

1 hour ago, Herowannabe said:

SUSPICION LEVELS

1% = low probability of corruption

100% = guaranteed corrupted

50% = no reading one way or the other

@Herowannabe : 1%

**Preliminary Scans complete**

Initial Situation anylsis finds the confirmation of @LTD as town intriguing and unexpected. The death of @Matt3412 is unfortunate.

I find the analysis by @Herowannabe to be useful. I agree with unit @Caldias that unit @PodRacer appears to have been behaving Strangely, Chances of his infection by the Virus 38%.

@EbonHawk has a 72% chance of being Virus free, I will support him at this time.

Unit @Lord Preyer seems Normal, Although I struggle to read him as his Communication protocol is foreign to me.

I have been unable to come to a conclusive analysis of the other units.

**returning to Lethargic Protocol**

3 hours ago, The Jabbawookie said:

The extent of the actual, flavor-free information I've given you is that the lynch on LTD has failed.

So all that we really know for sure is LTD is Lynch-proof, Mafia alignment TBD? Interesting.

I still think LTD is town though, because the way he played it gave us the benefit of a D1 vote (seeing how people vote /don't vote) without the drawbacks, as someone said earlier. Cheers LTD, well done and all that.

7 hours ago, Caldias said:

His only case was that I seemed to be scummy because I was making jokes, which is something I do as scum or as town, so I didn't find it to be a fair read.

He also said I didn't post anything useful, which was untrue as I had already voted Matt and gave my reason for doing so. He could've missed that before his post I suppose, but that still looked fishy to me. So I pointed that out to him, as well as pointed out he wasn't exactly a star contributor either. I don't consider my responses particularly defensive, but will let the quorum be the judge of that.

My point to him, about that being his first substantive post, is his reason for suspecting me was fairly ironic. But like I said, at least he gave reasons, which is why he's lower on my barometer than Pod/Clon was/is.

You misquote me.

My case is that you posted frequently with little to no content actually relevant to the game (I had missed your Matt vote), which is your scum behavior. And when I say that it is your scum behavior, I mean that by D2 or 3 at most I have you pegged as scum based on this, and you turn out to be scum. For example that time I was the saboteur a while back. D2 I knew you were scum, and had a difficult time in coming up with reasons not to vote you.

Thus, the fact that that post was my 'first substantive post' is entirely irrelevant, since I care not for post quantity but post quality. This has been exemplified by the fact that I notoriously post little - I seldom have anything to say. Why, then, would I penalize somebody for doing the same (also why I am against policy-lynching the absentees)? No, my is issue is rather with those who post quantity but not quality purely to be seen as posting, and they then use these quotes in their defense to say that they were 'involved'. They have done nothing, but because they have been seen to do nothing, they are given a pass over those who have done nothing without been present. I find this annoying and I would rather vote for those who fill up space with empty posts rather than those who have not had a chance to post at all. Especially when the former have consistently done so ONLY as scum.

This is my case, and I have as of yet seen no reason to change it. In fact, for lack of any better target at the moment:

##vote Caldias

Moving on to other people, I don't understand why we have given LTD a pass purely for avoiding the lynch. He and Ebon have taken it as a given and are promoting that assumption, and I find that dangerous. As Bertie and Jabba together pointed out above, that is not the case, and thus I say that giving LTD a pass is risky.

Also, I get the impression from Ebon that his post about Matt claiming Doc is an attempt to excuse himself. Sort of like 'Gee, that was a risky claim, right? Anybody?' As if to admit that that was why Matt had died and seeing if anybody bought it. I am not convinced of this of course, but I thought it worthwhile to throw the thought out there for people to consider.

Lastly: @Lord Preyer - you need to get your object references updated. It is @EbonHawk not @ebon hawk .

Ebon does seem to be the only person who thought that "medic" comment was a breadcrumb and not an inside joke. He's not my number one target but does look potentially scummy.