I just started wondering....

What do you all think the likelihood is that these two new careers will also have Signature Abilities in Rise of the Separatists? Or that there will be career books to follow?

I'm honestly just curious what the 3rd Jedi specialization is... Every Career has 3 specs after all. We know Padawan and Knight are two... Maybe the third is Master?

I also hope the Jedi Knight spec involves face-skills like Charm and Leadership... The preview seems to hint at it, with it saying something like "Become the face of the Order" etc. Padawan is likely to involve force talents because the preview says "learn the ways of the Force"... I am also wondering if they'll include any lightsaber related talents in Padawan/Knight/Master? specs. Like, maybe a new talents that lets you pick one stat (saber style) and you can use that? So instead of one talent for each style, it's just one talent but it lets you pick any style you want. That would be perfect for a Knight who is supposed to have specialized into one style (like Obi Wan does for Soresu)... Though maybe a bit OP? It would be weird if that *didn't* exist though, because then anyone who made a Jedi Knight would need to pick up a spec outside of their career to specialize in a lightsaber style, and that seems weird

Could be Archivist, Temple Guard or Consular?

But then it seems a bit odd that Padawan and Knight are, presumably, specialisations on an equal footing. Unless Padawan is the only one that gives a Force rating so you have to go through Padawan before you take one of the others.

5 minutes ago, Talkie Toaster said:

Could be Archivist, Temple Guard or Consular?

But then it seems a bit odd that Padawan and Knight are, presumably, specialisations on an equal footing. Unless Padawan is the only one that gives a Force rating so you have to go through Padawan before you take one of the others.

Honestly, FFG has made such a mess of the organization of the Jedi Order that comparing their names of careers to any in-universe terminology isn’t possible.

Padawan, knight and master are not specialisations, they are ranks in the jedi order. Guardian, consular and sentinel are specialisations. Shadows, sage and warrior might be a specialisation too.

14 minutes ago, WolfRider said:

Padawan, knight and master are not specialisations, they are ranks in the jedi order. Guardian, consular and sentinel are specialisations. Shadows, sage and warrior might be a specialisation too.

The book announcement, though, has already stated that the career will be Jedi, with specs of Jedi Padawan and Jedi Knight. Giving Jedi specializations the same names as F&D careers would be somewhat confusing.

59 minutes ago, Nytwyng said:

The book announcement, though, has already stated that the career will be Jedi, with specs of Jedi Padawan and Jedi Knight. Giving Jedi specializations the same names as F&D careers would be somewhat confusing.

Yeah imagine if a Mercenary Soldier wasn't a Soldier...

1 minute ago, HappyDaze said:

Yeah imagine if a Mercenary Soldier wasn't a Soldier...

Don't get me started about FFG's naming scheme. The game is awesome, but you have to ignore the names on about a quarter what is written.

So do you have to renounce your Padawan powers, get the XP reimbursed, and spec into Knight after your Knighting Ceremony?

6 hours ago, Talkie Toaster said:

But then it seems a bit odd that Padawan and Knight are, presumably, specialisations on an equal footing. Unless Padawan is the only one that gives a Force rating so you have to go through Padawan before you take one of the others.

From the "Movie Simulator" perspective FFG has taken... not really.

Think about it, how often in the films and such do we really see a situation where a Padawan tries something and fails, and then a Knight steps in and does it? Once... maybe?

I mean if you really break it down and look at something like TPM Qui-gon doesn't really do anything that Obi-wan obviously can't. He does a couple of different things perhaps, but not really something the requires more power or something.

Personally I'm prepared for something like the Knight option to give a little more up-front, and not as much on the back end, and the Padawan to give less up-front, but more on the back end, and possibly with some options intended to synergize better with another force user. But I expect both to be roughly the same power overall...

15 hours ago, Ghostofman said:

From the "Movie Simulator" perspective FFG has taken... not really.

Think about it, how often in the films and such do we really see a situation where a Padawan tries something and fails, and then a Knight steps in and does it? Once... maybe?

I mean if you really break it down and look at something like TPM Qui-gon doesn't really do anything that Obi-wan obviously can't. He does a couple of different things perhaps, but not really something the requires more power or something.

Personally I'm prepared for something like the Knight option to give a little more up-front, and not as much on the back end, and the Padawan to give less up-front, but more on the back end, and possibly with some options intended to synergize better with another force user. But I expect both to be roughly the same power overall...

Wouldn’t a knight have gone through the Padawan tree?

1 hour ago, Eoen said:

Wouldn’t a knight have gone through the Padawan tree?

By FFG logic, unless the specialization specifies otherwise, they can always go back later and "rediscover" the stuff they previously learned as a padawan. This is how many of the universal specs tend to work right now.

Just now, HappyDaze said:

By FFG logic, unless the specialization specifies otherwise, they can always go back later and "rediscover" the stuff they previously learned as a padawan. This is how many of the universal specs tend to work right now.

I thought the Jedi where a class in rise of the separatists?

If they are smart about it, they will lock the specializations. IE: you can only take Knight if you have already taken Padawan. And Master only if you have taken Knight.

12 minutes ago, BadMotivator said:

If they are smart about it, they will lock the specializations. IE: you can only take Knight if you have already taken Padawan. And Master only if you have taken Knight.

If they were smart, Knight and Padawan wouldn’t be specializations in the first place.

Specializations reflect an area of focus, not a level of skill.

On 11/13/2018 at 7:54 AM, Nytwyng said:

What do you all think the likelihood is that these two new careers will also have Signature Abilities in Rise of the Separatists? Or that there will be career books to follow?

My guess: No and no. It will look a lot like Dawn of Rebellion.

I understood it to mean that they were making these universal specializations. That being the case, they usually have some perquisite to taking them i.e. retired clone trooper from a very similar book. It could very well be that Padawan is the first universal specialization taken up with Knight being the follow up spec?

This could make sense if you think of it being your second spec you pick up at character creation meaning as an inexperienced padawan from the temple, you don't have as much talents or skills as say someone growing up a soldier or scoundrel of the streets. Also this game has always made force users sink more XP so having a linked universal spec to Padawan would be a huge sink but I bet the talents on there will make you the complete OFFICIAL Jedi that so many players want to make with reflect, parry, and all that good stuff.

28 minutes ago, Drig said:

I understood it to mean that they were making these universal specializations. That being the case, they usually have some perquisite to taking them i.e. retired clone trooper from a very similar book. It could very well be that Padawan is the first universal specialization taken up with Knight being the follow up spec?

This could make sense if you think of it being your second spec you pick up at character creation meaning as an inexperienced padawan from the temple, you don't have as much talents or skills as say someone growing up a soldier or scoundrel of the streets. Also this game has always made force users sink more XP so having a linked universal spec to Padawan would be a huge sink but I bet the talents on there will make you the complete OFFICIAL Jedi that so many players want to make with reflect, parry, and all that good stuff.

From the product announcement:

The Jedi receive their own career in Rise of the Separatists, representing their unique status during the Clone Wars. You can become the face of the organization as a brave Knight or learn the ways of the Force as a Padawan. Both of these specializations offer their own talent tree and give access to unique Force abilities.

My geuss would be that when they say Knight, they mean “Brave warrior,” not “Jedi of average rank.” Ie. take the “Knight” spec and rename it “Paladin” and it would make sense.

So a Knight could have the in-universe rank of Padawan would be a more combat-oriented Jedi. That being said, why they have to name things in a way that makes things so confusing is a huge problem.

Yup, my bad. I don't know where I got that they would be universal specs.

Also per the new announcement, " In Rise of the Separatists, players using the Jedi career can choose from the simple elegance of crystals from Ilum, the mysterious healing properties inherent in Thontiin crystals, or the rare but devastating power of the Zophis crystals, as well as other modification options to personalize their lightsaber."

Allright, I'm game for guessing. So it looks like it will be its own career with special rules and all. Especially since it also says in the first announcement, "Both of these specializations offer their own talent tree and give access to unique Force abilities."

So this seems to be something new. A two spec career.

Also noted that in the announcement it says," You can become the face of the organization as a brave Knight or learn the ways of the Force as a Padawan."

If the descriptors are anything to go off of, the Knight specialization is a more Jedi as an organization spec while the Padawan specialization is a never finished learning spec.

Or who knows lol. I'm willing to reserve judgement until its released. Im ready for this book already!

What if Knight has the requirement; “You must have Force Rating 2 to purchase this Specialisation” That then opens the door for a Master spec with the requirment of FR 3. Anyone could then cross spec from other Force Sensitive specs to become a Knight or Master, but it prevents a character starting as a Master or Knight right from the beginning.

I know strength in the Force isn’t supposed to matter, but let’s be honest it helps.

12 hours ago, Drig said:

Allright, I'm game for guessing. So it looks like it will be its own career with special rules and all. Especially since it also says in the first announcement, "Both of these specializations offer their own talent tree and give access to unique Force abilities."

Couldn't that just mean Force talents?

19 hours ago, Yaccarus said:

My geuss would be that when they say Knight, they mean “Brave warrior,” not “Jedi of average rank.” Ie. take the “Knight” spec and rename it “Paladin” and it would make sense.

So a Knight could have the in-universe rank of Padawan would be a more combat-oriented Jedi. That being said, why they have to name things in a way that makes things so confusing is a huge problem.

It's akin to the Commodore spec for the Commander career from AoR, where just because a PC has that spec doesn't automatically mean they hold that rank in whatever military outfit they're serving in. Or that just because you're a Bounty Hunter with the Assassin spec doesn't automatically make you a murderer-for-hire. Or a Colonist/Marshal is an active part of law enforcement while an Enforcer is working for a crime syndicate.

I agree that it seems for the Jedi career, Knight = combat-focused Jedi while Padawan suggests a Jedi that's more focused on Force usage. And that the names don't really bother me all that much

14 hours ago, Richardbuxton said:

What if Knight has the requirement; “You must have Force Rating 2 to purchase this Specialisation” That then opens the door for a Master spec with the requirment of FR 3. Anyone could then cross spec from other Force Sensitive specs to become a Knight or Master, but it prevents a character starting as a Master or Knight right from the beginning.

I know strength in the Force isn’t supposed to matter, but let’s be honest it helps.

Doubt it, if only because it sounds like Knight is going to be one of the starting spec options for the Jedi career.

Now, if Knight were a universal spec, then I could see it having a prerequisite such as you mentioned. But as a spec that a PC could hypothetically start with, especially if playing in the Clone Wars era? Very unlikely.

Now having said all that, it's not out of the realm of possibility that the Jedi career lets the PC start out with Force Rating 2 and carries the caveat to all the specs that you need FR2 in order to buy into them.

Given what the previews are showing, PCs in this era are expected to be far more capable than PCs in the Rebellion era, so having PCs with the Jedi career starting out with Force Rating 2 and a lightsaber isn't too far of a stretch. They could probably just say "yeah, due to circumstances, all PCs in this era are built at Knight Level."

1 hour ago, Donovan Morningfire said:

Doubt it, if only because it sounds like Knight is going to be one of the starting spec options for the Jedi career.

Now, if Knight were a universal spec, then I could see it having a prerequisite such as you mentioned. But as a spec that a PC could hypothetically start with, especially if playing in the Clone Wars era? Very unlikely.

Now having said all that, it's not out of the realm of possibility that the Jedi career lets the PC start out with Force Rating 2 and carries the caveat to all the specs that you need FR2 in order to buy into them.

Given what the previews are showing, PCs in this era are expected to be far more capable than PCs in the Rebellion era, so having PCs with the Jedi career starting out with Force Rating 2 and a lightsaber isn't too far of a stretch. They could probably just say "yeah, due to circumstances, all PCs in this era are built at Knight Level."

That applies for clones too, since they are equiped, housed, transported by the Republic