Like anything...they need synergy with a deck to work right... My deck has a bad penny for the pestilence proc which really really helps what with him being able to kill himself off...then +5 armour stacks from Bulwarks and Grey monks...topping it off with 7 creatures (two chieftains) in Brobnar ,that has gauntlet and the spell card to fight with 3 friendly creatures so I can use the horseman off house all I want...but they aren't an Epic Quest wincon