1 hour ago, Triangular said:

You can look up "Solo Fleet" at star wars wiki. Its consists of 3 battle groups with 4 ships each. 12 ships is not bad compared to Armada fleets.

Sure. But that wasn’t Heir to the Empire. That was Hunt for Zinj, right?

52 minutes ago, Geressen said:

he is a general.

specialised in armoured walkers

....

Tagge.

Edit: if u want to limit choices, sure, exclude Veers.

Admiral Daala, Gilad Pellaeon, Warlord Zhinj, Ysenne Isard. There's no shortage of Imperials. I'd love Daala as using some kind of nearly suicidal, borderline crazy, double-edged ability with Star Destroyers

2 hours ago, geek19 said:

I assumed Holdo and Snoke's abilities let you not play a game against whiny terrible opponents.

"So here's my Holdo list and-"

"STOP RIGHT THERE! You need to hear my thesis on why The Last Jedi RUINED Star Wars forever, it's the highlight of my Usenet discussion group. You see, perchance had Holdo decided-"

"I drop."

You drop? So Holdo and Snoke’s ability is crap and makes you lose? Yeah that’s excellent themeing.

3 minutes ago, Bakura83 said:

You drop? So Holdo and Snoke’s ability is crap and makes you lose? Yeah that’s excellent themeing.  

1 hour ago, Green Knight said:

Tagge.

Edit: if u want to limit choices, sure, exclude Veers.

Yes but...

why would you bring a Walker general into this when there are many admirals still available.

Just now, Geressen said:

Yes but...

why would you bring a Walker general into this when there are many admirals still available.

I dunno.

Why Jerjer?

Why Tagge?

Why stupid, clumsy Ozzel?

Admiral Titus.

Isard.

Wulff Yularen.

Ahsoka.

Hera.

1 minute ago, Green Knight said:

Why stupid, clumsy Ozzel?

Clumsy... or Rebel alligned ?

1 hour ago, Geressen said:

Clumsy... or Rebel alligned ?

Well, according to the Imperial Naval Handbook, chapter 13, paragraph 4, all Rebels are clumsy and stupid (and smelly, but I digress.) So it really amounts to the same thing. ?

In the Vader comics Supreme General Tagge commands all Imperial Forces and answers directly to the Emperor. SSD Executor was built for as his flag ship.

1 hour ago, The Jabbawookie said:

Well, according to the Imperial Naval Handbook, chapter 13, paragraph 4, all Rebels are clumsy and stupid (and smelly, but I digress.) So it really amounts to the same thing. ?

in x wing wedge's gamble near the end the POV switches to the last Ozzel, cousin of the admiral about how every other Ozzel dissapeared after Hoth while he was on the academy and he is totally stoked about his job on a solar reflector in orbit around Coruscant serving the empire... and then rogue squadron uses the mirror to melt into a water reservoir to short out the planetary shield and he's on an unarmed space mirror so he's freaking out yelling battle stations while a rebel invasion happens, being an unarmed giant space mirror the other navy personnel sent there as punishment just continue playing cards and tell him just to say his uncle was a rebel sympathiser but he only ever told his beloved nephew and that he had been waiting for the rebellion to finally come.

2 hours ago, Geressen said:

in x wing wedge's gamble near the end the POV switches to the last Ozzel, cousin of the admiral about how every other Ozzel dissapeared after Hoth while he was on the academy and he is totally stoked about his job on a solar reflector in orbit around Coruscant serving the empire... and then rogue squadron uses the mirror to melt into a water reservoir to short out the planetary shield and he's on an unarmed space mirror so he's freaking out yelling battle stations while a rebel invasion happens, being an unarmed giant space mirror the other navy personnel sent there as punishment just continue playing cards and tell him just to say his uncle was a rebel sympathiser but he only ever told his beloved nephew and that he had been waiting for the rebellion to finally come.

It was Needa....

Separatist Commanders:
General Grievous
Count Dooku
Darth Sideous
Kraken (Super Tactical Droid)
Kalani (Super Tactical Droid)
Nute Gunray (Trade Federation)
Wat Tambor (TechnoUnion)
San Hill (Muunilist Banking Clan)
Baron Rush Clovis (International Banking Clan, IBC)
Poggle the Lesser (Archduke of Geonosis)
Whorm Loathsom (Retail Caucus)
Durge (Gen'Dai Bounty Hunter, rank of Commander in Separatist Military)
Asajj Ventress (Dooku's apprentice, rank of Commander in Separatist Military)
Admiral Trench (Harch Naval Commander)
Pre Vizsla (Mandalore Death Watch Commander)
Sanjay Rash (King of Onderon)



Really, the Separatists are full of interesting species, characters, and vessels. Far less monolithic than the Empire and even the Rebellion.

1 hour ago, AllWingsStandyingBy said:

Separatist Commanders:
General Grievous
Count Dooku
Darth Sideous
Kraken (Super Tactical Droid)
Kalani (Super Tactical Droid)
Nute Gunray (Trade Federation)
Wat Tambor (TechnoUnion)
San Hill (Muunilist Banking Clan)
Baron Rush Clovis (International Banking Clan, IBC)
Poggle the Lesser (Archduke of Geonosis)
Whorm Loathsom (Retail Caucus)
Durge (Gen'Dai Bounty Hunter, rank of Commander in Separatist Military)
Asajj Ventress (Dooku's apprentice, rank of Commander in Separatist Military)
Admiral Trench (Harch Naval Commander)
Pre Vizsla (Mandalore Death Watch Commander)
Sanjay Rash (King of Onderon)



Really, the Separatists are full of interesting species, characters, and vessels. Far less monolithic than the Empire and even the Rebellion.

Yeah that was always one of their coolest traits, it seems that for whatever reason the vast majority of human-majority worlds leaned Republic, which would certainly explain how human-centric the Empire was - easy to imagine human worlds overlooking the Empire’s evil if they think it’s all that’s keeping the alien hordes away with the clone wars still fresh in everyone’s memory. I didn’t really read or watch the cone war era stuff outside the prequels, did any human worlds play a major role in the separatist faction?

6 minutes ago, Bakura83 said:

Yeah that was always one of their coolest traits, it seems that for whatever reason the vast majority of human-majority worlds leaned Republic, which would certainly explain how human-centric the Empire was - easy to imagine human worlds overlooking the Empire’s evil if they think it’s all that’s keeping the alien hordes away with the clone wars still fresh in everyone’s memory. I didn’t really read or watch the cone war era stuff outside the prequels, did any human worlds play a major role in the separatist faction?

Yes they did indeed. I mean, Serenno was a big one... (as in, Dooku, Count of Serenno).

There were quite a few others as well - but certainly, in Canon sources, the ::implication:: is that the Humans did the heavy lifting for the Repubkic in the Clone Wars.

Vanto tried to describe it to Thrawn.

18 hours ago, geek19 said:

It was Needa....

you mean I Needa check before writing from memory?

we all needa check what we're writing sometimes I guess.

5 hours ago, Geressen said:

you mean I Needa check before writing from memory?

we all needa check what we're writing sometimes I guess.

Come on forum admins! Where is my eyeroll like?

9 hours ago, cynanbloodbane said:

Come on forum admins! Where is my eyeroll like?

?

Here, have one of mine.

On 11/13/2018 at 12:51 PM, Bakura83 said:

I didn’t really read or watch the cone war era stuff outside the prequels, did any human worlds play a major role in the separatist faction?

Not really. There were a few human worlds that had struggles with whether or not to align with the CIS, but typically it was only a small faction within the planet that wanted to align with the CIS and they were usually thwarted by the "Good Guys."

Planets that come to mind are Mandalore, where Pre Vizsla was head of the Death Watch and wanted the Mandalorians to support the CIS but his movement was defeated and Onderon, where King Rash was initially willing to play ball with the Separatists but eventually the good guys help rid the planet of droid occupiers.

There were also some humans who worked as agents for the CIS, including Baron Rush Clovis of the international banking clan and the senate guard Faro Argyus who was paid by Dooku to capture Padme, for instance.


I think the biggest disservice done in the stage-setting of the Prequels was to not give the viewers a bit more backstory into Count Dooku or who he was or why he was a Separatist figurehead (beyond the obvious "Apprentice of Sith Lord"). One can imagine that it wouldn't be that hard to see how a charismatic former Jedi Master who was pointing out the legal and moral failures and economic inefficiencies of the Jedi Council and the Republic, while also arguing for greater independence and self-governance for the Mid and Outer Rim non-humans could have captured a lot of hearts and created a lasting ideological war.

2 hours ago, AllWingsStandyingBy said:

Not really. There were a few human worlds that had struggles with whether or not to align with the CIS, but typically it was only a small faction within the planet that wanted to align with the CIS and they were usually thwarted by the "Good Guys."

Planets that come to mind are Mandalore, where Pre Vizsla was head of the Death Watch and wanted the Mandalorians to support the CIS but his movement was defeated and Onderon, where King Rash was initially willing to play ball with the Separatists but eventually the good guys help rid the planet of droid occupiers.

There were also some humans who worked as agents for the CIS, including Baron Rush Clovis of the international banking clan and the senate guard Faro Argyus who was paid by Dooku to capture Padme, for instance.


I think the biggest disservice done in the stage-setting of the Prequels was to not give the viewers a bit more backstory into Count Dooku or who he was or why he was a Separatist figurehead (beyond the obvious "Apprentice of Sith Lord"). One can imagine that it wouldn't be that hard to see how a charismatic former Jedi Master who was pointing out the legal and moral failures and economic inefficiencies of the Jedi Council and the Republic, while also arguing for greater independence and self-governance for the Mid and Outer Rim non-humans could have captured a lot of hearts and created a lasting ideological war.

Well Lucas seemed to have a very muddled vision. On the one had the separatists are portrayed as literal cartoon villains, then we hear in the front crawl of RotS that there are heroes on both sides. It would have been really cool to have the US Civil War in space (without slavery) and made it about living in a society with personal liberty but corruption and dangerous criminals VS strong central control but lack of freedom and the everpresent danger of space facism.

I don’t think Lucas knew how to say what he wanted to say with the Prequels. Unfortunate, but I’m over it. I can appreciate the great things about the prequels now and ignore the crap much better in hindsight. That said, I really don’t have any interest in watching the PT ever again, while I’ll watch the OT every one/two years for the rest of my life.

Just now, Bakura83 said:

On the one had the separatists are portrayed as literal cartoon villains, then we hear in the front crawl of RotS that there are heroes on both sides. It would have been really cool to have the US Civil War in space (without slavery )

Well, except like the Clones are clearly slaves. The morality of the Jedi taking children away to make them Jedi is... also nebulous. The Order is also fine allowing sentient beings to exist in slavery, as Qui-Gon doesn't seemed too worried about getting Anakin's mother out of slavery despite the emotional turmoil it causes Anakin. And given that droids in Star Wars are "people" in the sense that they have individualistic identities and emotions and goals and require either restraining bolts or centralized command centers to function in specific desired ways...

... slavery is sort of creeping up all over the Galactic stage...

32 minutes ago, AllWingsStandyingBy said:

Well, except like the Clones are clearly slaves. The morality of the Jedi taking children away to make them Jedi is... also nebulous. The Order is also fine allowing sentient beings to exist in slavery, as Qui-Gon doesn't seemed too worried about getting Anakin's mother out of slavery despite the emotional turmoil it causes Anakin. And given that droids in Star Wars are "people" in the sense that they have individualistic identities and emotions and goals and require either restraining bolts or centralized command centers to function in specific desired ways...

... slavery is sort of creeping up all over the Galactic stage...

I just meant that for today’s general audience “the confederacy” = pure evil because of slavery, so you can’t really explore the idea of liberty and states rights and the whole “maybe on this issue the confederacy had the moral high ground” without slavery instantly making the whole Conflict very black-and-white, no pun intended.

The Empire vs Rebellion worked thematically because the Empire could be coded Nazi’s and therefore perfectly suited as the one-dimensional villains of a morality play. Lucas seemed to want to do a much more grey look at how democracy can be eroded from the inside in the prequel’s which would have benefited from having more sympathetic villains and both sides thinking they were fighting for good ideals but at the same time allowing themselves to be manipulated by evil machinations.

He failed spectacularly, but I think I like what I think he was going for.