On a 3 agl ship, how often is a free evade action going to be more useful than just the default force effect to change an eyeball. Yeah, the evade can change a blank, but that’s only useful if you rolled a blank and zero eyeballs, otherwise it’s the same end result. And with the default effect you can save the force point if you don’t need it. Unless purple actions can be done during combat, which doesn’t seem likely for coordinate.
Purple Actions
18 minutes ago, Forgottenlore said:On a 3 agl ship, how often is a free evade action going to be more useful than just the default force effect to change an eyeball. Yeah, the evade can change a blank, but that’s only useful if you rolled a blank and zero eyeballs, otherwise it’s the same end result. And with the default effect you can save the force point if you don’t need it. Unless purple actions can be done during combat, which doesn’t seem likely for coordinate.
IF you're not going to be in a position to shoot and will likely be shot at, an evade (ignoring being stressed for the cost of a force token in my supposition of what the purple actions imply) is more useful to the pilot than a focus would be. If you'll be in a position to shoot, save the Force token and decide based on the dice.
Paying a token to have a bonus evade action in addition to a focus action (as I believe is implied by what you're replying too) would also be good if you're likely to be shot at without being in position to shoot. Evade Token = guaranteed result. Focus/Force Token = possible result. Or if you have a lock on the target already then it covers the bases both offensively and defensively freeing up the Focus to be used where needed. (IE in line to shoot a locked target, but likely to be shot, Pay force for bonus evade, then Focus allowing double mod on either offense or defense).
But as you suggest, it doesn't make much sense to be the latter type (pay force to perform as a bonus action) with Sheev's Coordinate also being purple, unless you're aiming to kick a lock or focus to someone or make them a more threatening target (having them boost or Barrel Roll into a better position to engage), and still token up on Sheev's carrier. Possibilities... I like the ignore stress one, less op in my opinion.
Edited by HiemfireA force for an evade is strictly better than the standard force, for defensive purposes, except if Teroch or Palob are around.
I think the most interesting thing is that this seems very era/faction specific.
2 hours ago, Forgottenlore said:On a 3 agl ship, how often is a free evade action going to be more useful than just the default force effect to change an eyeball. Yeah, the evade can change a blank, but that’s only useful if you rolled a blank and zero eyeballs, otherwise it’s the same end result. And with the default effect you can save the force point if you don’t need it. Unless purple actions can be done during combat, which doesn’t seem likely for coordinate.
If you have multiple Forcus, they will stack nicely with an evade action
Edited by ficklegreendice16 minutes ago, ficklegreendice said:If you have multiple Forcus, they will stack nicely with an evade action
Yep. Strictly speaking, a Force charge for an Evade is not a good grade for the Jedi Knight. But for someone like Anakin, who will probably have several Force? I'd pay that price any day.
Just now, PhantomFO said:Yep. Strictly speaking, a Force charge for an Evade is not a good grade for the Jedi Knight. But for someone like Anakin, who will probably have several Force? I'd pay that price any day.
Eh, if you know for sure you won't get a shot, a force is strictly worse than an evade token defensively unless something is able to steal or remove it.
I’m more worried about how it’ll stack with Anakin’s pilot ability, which as far as I could tell reads: After you fully execute [... if there] is an enemy ship [at range?] in your [Bullseye?] you may [...] [Evade symbol ?]
Which I guess would just save him a force point? (My best guess based on what I could make out is he gets a free evade action if there’s an enemy right in his face after boosting/rolling) Especialy if it’s the boost/roll rather than a certain color maneuver, because that could link beautifully with the ship ability.
10 hours ago, Forgottenlore said:On a 3 agl ship, how often is a free evade action going to be more useful than just the default force effect to change an eyeball. Yeah, the evade can change a blank, but that’s only useful if you rolled a blank and zero eyeballs, otherwise it’s the same end result. And with the default effect you can save the force point if you don’t need it. Unless purple actions can be done during combat, which doesn’t seem likely for coordinate .
Whatever mechanic it uses will need to explain why the aethersprite doesnt have an evade token to go with the purple evade action. That seems to lean toward in-combat use. (palp would be able to act in other people's combats, if true- a better version of his current ability, but not quite his old ability.)
13 hours ago, thespaceinvader said:A force for an evade is strictly better than the standard force, for defensive purposes,
A force for an evade is a strictly better EFFECT than the standard force, but the standard effect is a better cost because you only have to spend it if you need it.
but you only have to spend the evade if you need it, and Force regens.
Those do look purple so maybe, it could also be possible that some color has spread to the action and those are just shaded white actions.
IF there was purple though, as it has been said before spending a force point is likely the explanation.
Edited by Marinealver14 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:but you only have to spend the evade if you need it, and Force regens.
And if you don’t need it you’ve wasted a force point you could have used elsewhere.
Doesnt matter, until we know for certain what the rules for purple actions are it’s pointless to discuss the relative efficiency.
4 hours ago, Rakaydos said:Whatever mechanic it uses will need to explain why the aethersprite doesnt have an evade token to go with the purple evade action. That seems to lean toward in-combat use. (palp would be able to act in other people's combats, if true- a better version of his current ability, but not quite his old ability.)
This is a good point, though I would put my money on their not being enough room in the expansion for the evade token. I would be really surprised if being purple made the action behave differently than normal because that would require special rules for each purple action (which is what you are suggesting would require). I would say it's pretty much guaranteed that whatever being purple's effect is it will be the same across all actions.
+1 for “purple must be a good thing”. Either spend a focus to perform it as a free action, or it regenerates a force point. Probably the former, the latter would seem OP - I’ll evade and thus have an extra forcus for defence - good luck hitting me! Even without that, Anakin is going to be the new Fell isn’t he? (Obi-Wan not far off).
Purple co-ordinate will be pretty good too - giving up your own action is a big turn off, not having to do so will be big.
I would assume the purple action is just an action with a cost, but I really hope it's a bonus action. I'm mostly looking forward to running the generics, and spending my action and my one and only force token to get an evade is something I never see myself doing, especially on a three dice ship. Without doing the math I'm pretty sure it's better to just keep the force and grad a focus, especially if you expect to either a) not get shot at, b) shoot and get shot, or c) get shot twice.
I am very interested to see how it all works. All we need to do is wait until February for the articles...
After thinking this over some more, I think it might make more sense that you can take the purple action while stressed by spending a force. I agree with some other statements that it doesn't make sense that these pilots couldn't Evade without spending their force token.
2 hours ago, CaptainIxidor said:After thinking this over some more, I think it might make more sense that you can take the purple action while stressed by spending a force. I agree with some other statements that it doesn't make sense that these pilots couldn't Evade without spending their force token.
Evade without spending the force token? Sure. But taking a different action and then evading would cost a force point and make the most sense.
12 minutes ago, SpiderMana said:Evade without spending the force token? Sure. But taking a different action and then evading would cost a force point and make the most sense.
I don't like that much specifically because of the ship ability. I don't think they'd have that and the ability to link into an evade for a force as well.
1 minute ago, CaptainIxidor said:I don't like that much specifically because of the ship ability. I don't think they'd have that and the ability to link into an evade for a force as well.
Why not? The generic has to make a choice between the two, and any more powerful Jedi can still only do both every couple turns, on average. Plus most Jedi will have to spend force points on their ability, so it limits them even more.
It gives them lots of powerful options, but they still have to conserve their force points for the right actions at the right times if they wanna do well.
Just now, SpiderMana said:Why not? The generic has to make a choice between the two, and any more powerful Jedi can still only do both every couple turns, on average. Plus most Jedi will have to spend force points on their ability, so it limits them even more.
It gives them lots of powerful options, but they still have to conserve their force points for the right actions at the right times if they wanna do well.
Because the wording on the ship ability would have included Evade as well as Boost or Barrel Roll so it doesn't flow logically.
Just now, Hiemfire said:Because the wording on the ship ability would have included Evade as well as Boost or Barrel Roll so it doesn't flow logically.
Maybe. Maybe they wanted Anakin and Obi-Wan to have access to both a reposition and the evade. It’s a **** slippery target to hit.
I agree with the op. You can spend a force to change 1 dice to that result for the Evade. For the Coordinate, it has to be spend a force to do the action.
3 minutes ago, SpiderMana said:Maybe. Maybe they wanted Anakin and Obi-Wan to have access to both a reposition and the evade. It’s a **** slippery target to hit.
And spending a force point to be able to do it while stressed doesn't equate to that?