1 hour ago, Drasnighta said:

Corellia is depicted as a world of contrasts in other parts of the canon... Its not like you saw the entire world presented, just the Poverty-Rampant Industrial Slum-Zone that was applicable to a bunch of Thievin' Orphans.

Corellia like Kuat in Legends had orbital shipyards to avoid polluting the planet surface, so I was surprised that the trailers (haven't seen it yet) portrayed such a nasty industrial district as being on Corellia. Fondor was a great example of a world where industry trumped environmental concerns.

4 hours ago, Piratical Moustache said:

Corellia like Kuat in Legends had orbital shipyards to avoid polluting the planet surface, so I was surprised that the trailers (haven't seen it yet) portrayed such a nasty industrial district as being on Corellia. Fondor was a great example of a world where industry trumped environmental concerns.

And then, it was a District.

We're talking about a Universe that has planet-wide Cities here.

9 hours ago, Drasnighta said:

Corellia is depicted as a world of contrasts in other parts of the canon... Its not like you saw the entire world presented, just the Poverty-Rampant Industrial Slum-Zone that was applicable to a bunch of Thievin' Orphans.

If I told you I was taking you to Disney World for the first time and I only showed you the men’s bathroom nearest the car park would you be disappointed?

29 minutes ago, Bakura83 said:

If I told you I was taking you to Disney World for the first time and I only showed you the men’s bathroom nearest the car park would you be disappointed?

I wouldn’t be assuming the whole place is like that.

that would be narrow minded and ignorant of me.

It would also be more of Disney World than I’m ever likely to see anyway.

4 hours ago, Drasnighta said:

I wouldn’t be assuming the whole place is like that.

that would be narrow minded and ignorant of me.

It would also be more of Disney World than I’m ever likely to see anyway.

I was disappointed at the first big screen live action depiction of it. If that warrants a verbal caution from the resident devil’s advocate I’ll accept the consequences.

As Pirate facial hair correctly mentioned, it’s been long established as a jewel of the inhabited galaxy, a Wonder to behold. And I narrow-mindedly and ignorantly felt disappointment at its portrayal in Solo: A Star Wars Story.

I guess they needed some industry on the planet to build in-orbit-facilities. It seems stupid/hard to close them once you built the new ones. Better to also use them as long as its activity is not harmful enough.

3 hours ago, ovinomanc3r said:

I guess they needed some industry on the planet to build in-orbit-facilities. It seems stupid/hard to close them once you built the new ones. Better to also use them as long as its activity is not harmful enough.

Obsolete industrial areas get reclamated all the time - I certainly hope in 100 years some of earth’s ugly heavy industry zones will have been turned (back) into areas of natural beauty.

Am I really being told off for assuming Star Wars planets are pretty uniform? ?

Cause you know, Coruscant, Tatooine, Hoth, Jakku, Mustafar, Endor’s Moon...

14 minutes ago, Bakura83 said:

Cause you know, Coruscant, Tatooine, Hoth, Jakku, Mustafar, Endor’s Moon...

Well, y'know, one of those isn't a Planet.

But even Tatooine and Jakku have different areas - they're not just "Dunes, Dunes and Dunes"... You have Salt Flats, and Mountainous Terrain (I mean, there was that whole point where R2 and 3PO went their different ways because the terrain was different )...

And really, when we want to break down all of those above - only one of them is dealing with the same Problem as the Corellia depiction, in that the issue we are dealing with is not climate or biome , but introduced area...

Coruscant is the worthwhile comparison, but even when you get into bits and pieces, Coruscant is varied vertically as well - with Lower areas being far worse.

"You've got to be Joking. Go down two thousand levels, and you'll find all the unrest you'll ever want... Go down four thousand, and you might as well be in wild space ..." - Col. Wulff Yularen.

... and, not being "told off" (I apologise if thats how it feels or seems to you), I felt it was an interesting discussion point on perception vs reality, as well as limited windows of perception...

8 hours ago, Bakura83 said:

If I told you I was taking you to Disney World for the first time and I only showed you the men’s bathroom nearest the car park would you be disappointed?

We were lucky to see Corellia at all...

On 11/10/2018 at 11:28 PM, Bakura83 said:

Not that you asked, but I really didn’t like their take on Corellia as this poverty-rampant industrial **** ball. Corellia is arguably the most interesting, vibrant, powerful diverse system in Star Wars, this film really blew it in that regard.

"Arguably"? Arguably according to whom? A whole bunch of books whose canonicity was tossed in the trash a couple of years ago?

Maybe it's also part of the SJW-ness of Disney to suggest that if a world becomes an industrial center for starship-building that this may have a bad influence on its environment and socio-economic conditions.

But anyway, this thread is about an upcoming live-action program, and not bellyaching about how much previous films have disappointed us. I'm pretty psyched about it, and think that a show centered on Cassian Andor could be pretty awesome, but also pretty gritty. And they've just gotta have K2-SO with Alan Tudyk.

53 minutes ago, Mikael Hasselstein said:

"Arguably"? Arguably according to whom? A whole bunch of books whose canonicity was tossed in the trash a couple of years ago?

Yeah those. The ones people keep quoting at me. Oh and FFG did sort of have this whole “Corellian Conflict” campaign for a game called Armada you might have heard of, so it still seems pretty important. It’s also one of the key systems in Rebellion that can win or lose the game as one of the four Star Destroyer/Mon Cal production by worlds.

I really don’t get your point - this thread is about an upcoming show that DIRECTLY SPINS OFF an existing film, and yet we can’t talk about previous films and what we think worked/didn’t don’t work in your opinion?

Wow captain no character get's a series. Why not give a series to Stormtrooper number 5 in a new hope. I will care just as much

21 minutes ago, jocke01 said:

Wow captain no character get's a series. Why not give a series to Stormtrooper number 5 in a new hope. I will care just as much

His character was edgey and jaded and willing to murder people in cold blood.

8 minutes ago, Bakura83 said:

His character was edgey and jaded and willing to murder people in cold blood.

Yeah sure, but that was his entire character for the entire movie. He hints at backstory, but we never see it. His last action is also shooting a dude in the back, so no character growth either. I just feel so out of touch with people today if they want an entire series with that Guy.

Hot **** there is just no pleasing some people.

47 minutes ago, duck_bird said:

Hot **** there is just no pleasing some people.

Their pleasure comes from complaining about things.

41 minutes ago, duck_bird said:

Hot **** there is just no pleasing some people.

Sad but true and Star Wars fans seem to be among the worse.

I feel a lot will depend on the execution. Cassian Andor is not my favourite character and I definitely don't agree with the trend of making everything "dark and gritty". That said, and as others have noted, it could prove an advantage that the good captain is a bit of a blank slate and a well-conceived storyline could make him someone worth caring about.

1 hour ago, Dobbs Mottley said:

I feel a lot will depend on the execution. Cassian Andor is not my favourite character and I definitely don't agree with the trend of making everything "dark and gritty". That said, and as others have noted, it could prove an advantage that the good captain is a bit of a blank slate and a well-conceived storyline could make him someone worth caring about.

100% agree.

I'm excited about this for two reasons:

One is the potential it has to more fully develop the character, the early Rebellion, and the Galactic attitude toward the Empire in a world before Palpatine had disbanded the Senate and before the Death Star allowed Tarkin to fulling implement the "Doctrine of Fear." If anything, this series may also follow some key Imperial players, some of who interact with Palpatine or Tarkin, hopefully shedding some light on the transition of the Empire from being the "Bad Guys who maintain a veneer of being the good guys" all the way to "Bad Guys who say '---- it, we're evil and want to rule you all like dogs and now we're powerful enough to do so without risk."

Second, it's going to be the only chance we have for new Rebel/Imperial content (e.g. ships, characters, etc.) given that for the next few years everything coming out of LFL/Disney is set in the Prequel Era or the Sequel Era. Even if the show is awful and the plot lines underwhelming, at least it'll be adding entries into the BIG BOOK OF GALACTIC CIVIL WAR STUFF.

7 hours ago, jocke01 said:

He hints at backstory, but we never see it.

If only there were some sort of other media production where we could have further insight into this...

37 minutes ago, Astrodar said:

If only there were some sort of other media production where we could have further insight into this...

If you can't give a main character any backstory or storyarc in a movie thats 2 hours I don't see how you will manage doing it in a series.

22 minutes ago, jocke01 said:

If you can't give a main character any backstory or storyarc in a movie thats 2 hours I don't see how you will manage doing it in a series.

Well, he's an Alliance Intelligence captain reporting to General Draven. He's fought the Empire since he was six years old, reprogrammed an Imperial security droid, and has a ring of informants. Cassian starts the movie as a cold-blooded operative willing to do anything to accomplish his mission, but eventually realizes that how they fight is important, refusing to take the shot on Galen.

Did Han really have a better backstory or arc than that in ANH?

I don't think every character needs a story arc or a lot of backstory. I found Cassian a touch...bland?...but thinking about it, I'm not sure that was actually a bad thing. He was a key part of Rogue One, but the story wasn't really about him , per se...and spending a lot of time on his background and development would have thrown out the pacing (and the first half was possibly a touch slow already). A spin off series in which he's the main focus is a very different matter, so yes, I do think they could manage it.

Whether they manage it well is another thing entirely though!

52 minutes ago, Dobbs Mottley said:

I don't think every character needs a story arc or a lot of backstory. I found Cassian a touch...bland?...but thinking about it, I'm not sure that was actually a bad thing. He was a key part of Rogue One, but the story wasn't really about him , per se...and spending a lot of time on his background and development would have thrown out the pacing (and the first half was possibly a touch slow already). A spin off series in which he's the main focus is a very different matter, so yes, I do think they could manage it.

Whether they manage it well is another thing entirely though!

I don’t think he was a bad character idea, and I don’t think he had a bad actor. I think the movie suffered a bit from Studio meddling. We’ll see. I’d definitely rather live in a world where Mandalorian and Cassian: The Show might be good than in a world where neither is being made at all.

1 hour ago, The Jabbawookie said:

Well, he's an Alliance Intelligence captain reporting to General Draven. He's fought the Empire since he was six years old, reprogrammed an Imperial security droid, and has a ring of informants. Cassian starts the movie as a cold-blooded operative willing to do anything to accomplish his mission, but eventually realizes that how they fight is important, refusing to take the shot on Galen.

Did Han really have a better backstory or arc than that in ANH?

Yes Han has a better story and arc and here is why:

Because cassian is a cold blooded killer and he refuses to shoot galen 2 seconds before he still dies from alliance bombs. Sure a change of Heart, but since galen (a character we barely know) dies directly afte. It dosen't have the same impact as Han coming to the rescue.

He fought since he was six years old, but why? Han cared about saving his own neck (nothing noble but a clear motivation). Cassian cares about...something maybe that happened when he was six.

I just don't know who he is or why he does anything. Sure Han's character is simple, but it's there. Cassian is just a irritaded guy who kills for the rebellion because reasons. Then add the fact that rouge one was made a few years ago with way more money, talent and resources avaiable to it than a new hope back in the 70's.

However it's just my 2 cents. I just don't get what people see in this movie before raddus shows up at scarif.