On 11/6/2018 at 7:33 AM, Gridloc said:

Maybe I don't have the full starwars history, but have there been stories of rebels flying to endor, picking up the primative stick and stone race of ewoks, throwing them on space ships, and dropping them off into the heart of imperial space to fight storm troopers? I mean wookies world was destroyed and they were a bit more advance so makes sense they would be around in the galaxy. Outfits aside, all the stuff released would make sense on a variety of planets and part of a rebellion or imperial force... I just can't see a squad of ewoks being herded and then thrown onto other planets to assist the rebels.

The Ewoks are actually a really advanced species. Source: The Han Solo focused book Last Shot has an ewok computer hacker.

On 11/8/2018 at 11:09 PM, That Blasted Samophlange said:

So many that the species’ actual appearance has been removed from existence.

And the only canon example mentioning them does say they were barking, however their description was left out (Bloodlines if memory serves me)

5 hours ago, DtLS said:

The Ewoks are actually a really advanced species. Source: The Han Solo focused book Last Shot has an ewok computer hacker.

The problem is so many people equate primitive with being less intelligent. We see that the ewoks can build big cities in the trees, large traps, etc. it is just they don't have metal working.

We know in canon that there are large predators (gorax) on Endor. These large predators limit the advancement of Ewok technology.

It is shown that ewoks are actually quite intelligent, and adaptable, but, they are limited by their environmental factors.

I would also hazzard these factors also limit thier cultural growth as well. I believe the ewoks are omnivorous, but it would be hard for them to farm in limited space that their village takes up. So, rather than grow food, they have to resort to hunter-gatherer tactics in their limited trips to the ground.

This also explains why the ewoks are so adept at stealth.

4 hours ago, syrath said:

And the only canon example mentioning them does say they were barking, however their description was left out (Bloodlines if memory serves me)

While I don't remember that specifically, the term ‘barking’ could have been how they were speaking. A human can bark at someone, that is to yell or talk severely towards them. It could have been figurative, as opposed to being a literal bark, like that of a dog.

7 hours ago, DtLS said:

The Ewoks are actually a really advanced species. Source: The Han Solo focused book Last Shot has an ewok computer hacker.

And now I want an Ewok tech guru to replace the Comm Trooper in the Specialist pack...

9 hours ago, That Blasted Samophlange said:

While I don't remember that specifically, the term ‘barking’ could have been how they were speaking. A human can bark at someone, that is to yell or talk severely towards them. It could have been figurative, as opposed to being a literal bark, like that of a dog.

i know that, but it is the only canon reference for anything about Bothans other than many died to bring the rebellion the "stolen" info on the second death star, beyond this we know nothing, not even if they were a race, job description, tribe, clan , religous zealot group. Given the timing of the removal of info from the books pointed to the fact that that something was going to be in the solo film, turns out I was completely wrong with that.

On 11/5/2018 at 7:34 PM, TylerTT said:

Seriously! All the rebel characters are dressed for Endor and no Ewoks. Instead we get a quartet of Chewbacca that never fought in the GCW.

“That guys wise.”

”Loud and short.”

A quote from two e-woks talking about 3p0 in English. Check out the video oh nonbelievers, though I think the YouTuber who captured this heard the last part wrong. >

That being said, I wouldn’t mind an e-wok army, but how do you allow for an army of them being off Endor? Wooden starships? Oh wait, that would be the Wookiees again. ? ?

They get off the sanctuary moon of Endor because they are clearly a resourceful and useful ally to the rebellion. And the forest moon of Endor is a horrible place to live. If you had to build houses up trees just so monsters wouldn’t eat you so dang much I think you would take the first space ship off that rock.

4 hours ago, JediPartisan said:

That being said, I wouldn’t mind an e-wok army, but how do you allow for an army of them being off Endor? Wooden starships? Oh wait, that would be the Wookiees again. ? ?

Okay, first off the wookies did not make their starships out of wood.. the inside panelling was wood, yes, but the outer hull was standard construction.

Second point, Star Ears is not Star Trek. There is no prime directive limiting interactions with cultures. The rebels would consider taking ewoks off planet to fight the empire.

Hera did have Wicket and Kneesa act as gunners, Han and Lando worked with an ewok slicer, and that one ewok figured out the speeder bike quickly. I could see ewoks stealing a starship from rebels or imperial forces after the battle of Endor.

On 11/5/2018 at 9:09 PM, TylerTT said:

as we learned in the aftermath books

I really miss the days when our imaginations were more important the EU.

57 minutes ago, TauntaunScout said:

I really miss the days when our imaginations were more important the EU.

So...never?

5 hours ago, TauntaunScout said:

I really miss the days when our imaginations were more important the EU.

So.. being facetious here are we? I mean, by this logic, should we not be making our own movies instead of watching Star Wars?

17 hours ago, JediPartisan said:

“That guys wise.”

”Loud and short.”

A quote from two e-woks talking about 3p0 in English. Check out the video oh nonbelievers, though I think the YouTuber who captured this heard the last part wrong. >

That being said, I wouldn’t mind an e-wok army, but how do you allow for an army of them being off Endor? Wooden starships? Oh wait, that would be the Wookiees again. ? ?

#1: That guy’s wise.

#2: Yeah, me sure.

7 hours ago, arnoldrew said:

So...never?

The 90's. There was a lot less EU to go around and it wasn't as easy to access. So we made stuff up for our RPG's and tabletop battles. It's great that we have these resources today, we'd have loved them when I was younger. But I don't like how people use them to limit what should or can be done instead of using them as a jumping off point. It's a space fantasy, not a historical simulation.

5 hours ago, TauntaunScout said:

The 90's. There was a lot less EU to go around and it wasn't as easy to access. So we made stuff up for our RPG's and tabletop battles. It's great that we have these resources today, we'd have loved them when I was younger. But I don't like how people use them to limit what should or can be done instead of using them as a jumping off point. It's a space fantasy, not a historical simulation.

That's a pretty good point. People keep acting like if it wasn't specifically in a book or movie then it could never have happened, which is a bit silly.

Stil you would think things in the movie would be first in line to get toys.

FFG has been great at handling starwars but this is a sore point for me.

granted it’s a much smaller sore point then how they majorly fudged the product and content model of the RPG that requires three whole core game manuals to run Han, Leia, and Luke in a group. But still man what the heck. Ewoks should have at least been in imperial assault by now.

On ‎11‎/‎12‎/‎2018 at 12:08 AM, arnoldrew said:

That's a pretty good point. People keep acting like if it wasn't specifically in a book or movie then it could never have happened, which is a bit silly.

Hilarious point; accurate, but hilarious.

How many times in film did we see Luke and Han fight side by side with ground troops? Of those times, how many included Luke with sufficient Jedi training to deflect blaster bolts from trained soldiers, telekinetically move enemy soldiers, etc.? And, given those conditions, how many times were those conditions met with the Imperial ground forces being led personally by Darth Vader?

Of course, there's no reason to say that such a thing couldn't happen, but I haven't seen it in any of the movies, and I haven't read enough of the books or comics to know what they've portrayed. Of the canonical battles we've seen, Luke spent two of them in a cockpit, and the third he spent most of engaging the Emperor in witty banter. By the time they were fighting Imperial forces on Endor (not counting the small skirmishes of Luke and Leia against biker scouts), Luke was on the Death Star.

Point being- ANY forces we set up in our games are likely to be a speculative match, rather than a "historical" simulation of battles seen on screen, in which case, why shouldn't we be able to see some Ewoks, or even Gungans, fighting with the Rebellion? Besides, the Rebellion needs some more unit types, and I personally don't have any immediate thoughts on what those should be, where I already have two units in mind I'd love to see next for the Empire- Mandalorian Supercommandos or Death Troopers!

Of course, both sides have a wide selection of Operative level characters they could add- the Inquisitors would seem well suited as operatives for the Empire, as would MOST of the Spectres. (I'd expect to see Hera, maybe Kanan, as Commanders, if they were to be added.)

We can add a huge number of commander options to either side: General Calrissian, General Madine, etc, for the Rebels; Thrawn, Krennic, and Gar Saxon would all be fine Imperial commanders; maybe Admiral Sloane? I don't recall if she did much off ship, but she might be an option (and one I might be able to easily mod into a Captain Juno Eclipse to run on the table with Starkiller….)

I was a bit dismayed when I first saw mall security guards released after Endor commandos and no Ewokes. A whole army of chuck norris build-a-bears might be awesome. Plus, boba fett and no other mos eisley scum? What about that one guy that squeaked into his com-link to tip off the empire or some iconic terrain pieces. I don't know if it's Disney, FF, or both, but I have never been extremely happy with there character lineup of an Star Wars product. They seem to always go for the more popular, $$$, characters.

On 11/5/2018 at 11:06 PM, TallGiraffe said:

I mean the ewoks only really participated in a single battle right?

Well we've had stats for them in RPG's and miniature wargames before. Except Imperial Assault, which is by FFG, which doesn't really mean much despite how much people like to read things into stuff like that. There was background for why that might be in D6, though relatively little minis/stats. In D20 we had no background or anything but comparatively tons of ewok minis/stats.

Also from the world wide web of the interconnected network of electronic computers I learned that:

Throughout galactic history, offworld raiders occasionally came to Endor to hunt the native Ewok population to make Ewok Jerky , which was a popular snack across the Outer Rim . ^[4]

Sometime during the reign of the Galactic Empire , the Empire established an outpost on the moon that included a shield generator complex to protect the incomplete second Death Star in orbit of the moon. In order to make way for the complex, an Ewok village was razed by Imperial troops , leading to strained Imperial—Ewok relations. ^[15]

So, two battles plus numerous fights with 3rd parties. Probably ewoks make it off-world sometimes, as in the suggestion backstory in the character template for "Ewok" in the old D6 RPG book. At the end of the day, ewoks make interesting subject matter for sculptors, so, we'll probably see at least a few eventually. Heck Kenner made 8 different ones for the old action figure line, as if the customer base would have noticed if they'd only made 5?

Besides, a lot of the main movie heroes that make it into D20, IA, and Legion weren't "really" in several battles.

My feeling is, it's not unlikely to have Clone Wars come out before a lot of OT stuff. They are gonna probably ration some OT "new releases" out for years to come, to re-kindle interest from different sorts of customers.

We need variety. counterparts need to be removed or redesigned. We literally have the same of everything and only 2 factions

Troopers (almost identical, rebels throw white dice, imperials have consistent red dice)

close-range Troopers (Imperials throw flamers/Rebels throw extra white dice)

Snipers, almost identical, at least the scouts are different but similar to fleet troopers

ATRT are Mini-AtSts

Speeder bikes are mini Airspeeders(this may be the only differentiator because few people use the airspeeder)

Veers is like Leia

Luke is like Vader

Han and Boba are just enough different and Chewie is different than Boba for sure.

Royal guard are very similar to scout troopers dice wise but Wookiees are definately a break from the mold. Palpatine is very similar to Vader except his saber throw is better but health is poor. His abilities are poor and his point cost is still prohibitive.

39 minutes ago, buckero0 said:

We need variety. counterparts need to be removed or redesigned. We literally have the same of everything and only 2 factions

Troopers (almost identical, rebels throw white dice, imperials have consistent red dice)

close-range Troopers (Imperials throw flamers/Rebels throw extra white dice)

Snipers, almost identical, at least the scouts are different but similar to fleet troopers

ATRT are Mini-AtSts

Speeder bikes are mini Airspeeders(this may be the only differentiator because few people use the airspeeder)

Veers is like Leia

Luke is like Vader

Han and Boba are just enough different and Chewie is different than Boba for sure.

Royal guard are very similar to scout troopers dice wise but Wookiees are definately a break from the mold. Palpatine is very similar to Vader except his saber throw is better but health is poor. His abilities are poor and his point cost is still prohibitive.

I don't see this same of everything argument at all

Rebel Troopers and Stormtroopers aren't identical. If anything they're complete opposites. Rebels have good offence and poor defense, stormtroopers have good defense and poor offense

Fleet Troopers are just as frail as the normal rebel troopers, but the payoff for them has better distance than snowtroopers. Snowtroopers have better base range, the same defense as a stormtrooper and a very potent weapon that is only useful at point blank range

COMMANDOS, not snipers, are very similar to rebel troopers but you're paying a premium for an all around better unit with the option of a two man team. Scout troopers are very similar to fleet troopers, but all around better with the option of a two man team. As far as the two man teams the only similarity is in the kind of weapons they will field with only the sniper being almost identical. The charges are designed as such that the proton charge is better against armor and the sonic charge is better against infantry.

The AT-RT is not the same as an AT-ST. The RT is cheap, easy to destroy, and is limited in what it can do based on what weapon it is given. The ST is expensive, tough, and an absolute monster of a machine if the opponent doesn't have impact.

Speeder bikes are different enough from the airspeeder, most glaringly because the airspeeder is trash and bikes are not.

Veers and Leia are similar, but not exact. Veers can make is troops better offensively while Leia is defensive. In combat, Leia has the better offense and Veers has the better defense.

Luke is like Vader in the way that they are both monsters in close combat, but you can't use them the same. Vader is slow, steady tank with the right upgrades. Luke is quick and maneuverable. Vader is the strongest melee character in the game right now and getting in close to him is death. Getting close to Luke sucks, but it isn't the end of the world.

Han and Boba are the furthest apart of everything here. Han is a decent alternative to Leia if you intend to have your commander in the thick of the action. His damage output is low, but consistent. All of his command cards are about disruption. Boba is an operative and can't replace your commander. He has better damage output the Han, better armor, better speed, and all of his cards give him access to better weapons. Boba is at home punishing weak flanks or overexposed commanders.

Royal Guards are similar in dice at range to scouts, but they are clearly built with melee in mind. They have as much health as Vader with 4 of them, and have as much staying power as him if Vader doesn't have reflexes at half the cost. They have the speed of Luke, with charge.

Palpatine is similar to vader if you look only at the dice he throws. Unlike Vader, Palpatine also brings the support utility of the cheap commanders, the disruption power of Han, and the power of Vader. He is expensive, and currently activiations are king in the game so I don't know how well he will perform.

You said Chewie and Wookiees are different enough so I'm not getting into them.

On 11/15/2018 at 10:23 AM, John79 said:

I was a bit dismayed when I first saw mall security guards

What are you referring to?

On 11/10/2018 at 8:06 AM, That Blasted Samophlange said:

The problem is so many people equate primitive with being less intelligent. We see that the ewoks can build big cities in the trees, large traps, etc. it is just they don't have metal working. ...but it would be hard for them to farm in limited space that their village takes up.

The soil probably sucks for farming where they live and lacks veins of easily worked metal. It seems likely to me they literally cannot develop either one.

On 11/7/2018 at 8:22 AM, Lyynark said:

and you simply don't arm slaves and put them beside your regulars if you know what's good for you.

Someone shoulda told the Mamluks.

On 11/9/2018 at 2:31 PM, TylerTT said:

a Jawa scavenger group or tusken raiders could provide neutral defense of an objective.

On 11/9/2018 at 2:47 PM, samuraislyr said:

Technically no, but the Legends stuff did have an Ewok Jedi.... so it's not inconceivable a few got off the planet.

Back in my day... there was a character template for an Ewok Shaman who had force skills in the D6 game. I think it was in the Heroes & Rogues expansion.

Jawas and tusken raiders, while I would build full sized armies of them, are unlikely to be provided in anything near enough to accomplish that. We'd need a corps, a commander, and something else, for each. Even in the free wheeling days of the 90's they were just for homebrew special scenarios and such. Only D20 ever provided them and ewoks in quantities necessary to actually be played.

1 hour ago, TauntaunScout said:

What are you referring to?

The soil probably sucks for farming where they live and lacks veins of easily worked metal. It seems likely to me they literally cannot develop either one.

I really think it is the big predators.

28 minutes ago, That Blasted Samophlange said:

I really think it is the big predators.

Isn't that the thing from Caravan of Courage? Probably can't help any. But on earth, ecosystems like that usually are terrible places to try to farm. The soil is locked in a constant stalemate with the biomass.