1 minute ago, BrobaFett said:

First off i gotta say, giving me the credit for pushing for a lynch on VIP is pure fantasy. Seriously my comment consists entirely of "anyone heard from VIP?" And you've hung you accusational hat on that one sentence in order to spin some criminal mastermind thing on me.

Not just that, as said also lurking and what I found an odd D1 with you less bantery than normal..

And IMO time to ask where Vip is, is time you could vote as well, but as you say you passed out late which I can respect as we've all been there so I'll give benefit of the doubt to that

3 minutes ago, BrobaFett said:

But one thing about me that my games will back up, I understand needing policy lynches but they almost never work out and I dont believe ive ever voted on one. I certainly don't recall supporting them other than begrudgingly. I definitely wasnt intending to push people toward a policy vote, no matter that the circumstances. That's just not really me.

Still working, phones about to die gotta switch to the back up.

Agree on the policy lynch point..

All in all I'm still getting a scum sense from you but got some thinking to do on this post and after, food for thought indeed

9 minutes ago, EbonHawk said:

And IMO time to ask where Vip is, is time you could vote as well, but as you say you passed out late which I can respect as we've all been there so I'll give benefit of the doubt to that

I understand that, but literally I was catching up, threw that out there hoping someone could link so I wouldn't have to keep rescrolling looking with tired eyes and then passed out with my phone on my face and woke up to a lynch haha

I'm not saying this has been a strong game for me, you really can't forgot you are playing mafia and expect not to get shade on you, but it is what it is. I definitely didn't lurk yesterday, I left at 4:45 to take my wife to the airport, picked up my boys and I never once checked the forum. I dont know how long that is sleep + day + sleep but I woke up first thing this morning and popped on the forum and saw the notifications and realized I messed up.

Other than that one sentence that bugged you, this just feels like another policy lynch- again I understand the logic but scum is loving the heck out of the prospect of town bleeding themselves two lynches in a row on policy votes.

10 minutes ago, BrobaFett said:

Other than that one sentence that bugged you, this just feels like another policy lynch- again I understand the logic but scum is loving the heck out of the prospect of town bleeding themselves two lynches in a row on policy votes.

Granted, and I don't want to lynch you if there's a better option for seeming scummy..

Who would you be looking at right now, after a re read? As I buy your reasons for being Awol, time with kids is never time wasted! You could still be scum hiding behind it...

But as said I'm more than open to having my mind changed

12 minutes ago, BrobaFett said:

again I understand the logic but scum is loving the heck out of the prospect of town bleeding themselves two lynches in a row on policy votes. 

Prospect of town.. not prospect of Us? hmm

LOL used both proper terms. If your fishing pole breaks ill get you a new one, at least you're trying and I appreciate that.

I'm trying to build a decent case, but since focus has been on the almost turbo on mads and then me scum hasn't had to move or shake much. I have a couple of things that I think might have been overlooked while focus is on me, but I keep having to do kid things. I'm working on it.

Alright - so after looking things through so far, I think the most suspiciously scummy player in this game is Matt. He has been active, but there has been a lot said without saying a lot from him, if that makes sense. Most of his posts have involved casting his votes on whatever train is rolling or fishing for places he can follow to get lynches. Here's what I see-

Start of the day LTD votes on Mad and then leaves, which I mean, isn't how I do things and looks a tad suspicious but the rest of his play hasn't been too against town so I give it a pass assuming the vote was just to put some pressure on Mad for an explanation, not start a turbo train.

Matt meanwhile starts off throwing shade at ebon. When Con places a vote on Mad cause of his night read and figured that if town is willing to lynch what is to him (unless he is lying and got crazy lucky, which is unlikely) a verified third party he could get in on it.

Matt immediately hops on, because Mad has been on his list of people he has made comments of suspicion toward, so thus is an opportunistic target and at L2 (assuming most logically 2 scum) one more flippant early vote and the scummate hammers and D2 ends before it really even begins with a safe lynch. Obviously this is hugely problematic.

But it continues as the day wears on- looking for another target he asks for a vote count, does the math on what it takes to get me lynched, and offers to vote if Gnips would join in on me for the policy lynch.

This kind of inconsistent, lynch focused (but not particularly caring about the target) play reads incredibly scummy to me, but he's been able to fly under the radar on it cause suspicion has been fixated elsewhere. He has cast suspicion on more or less everyone, flipped camps when roles got revealed and people started looking really town, and hasn't really offered anything constructive other than his vote on whoever looks like he can get lynched.

Right now, that's my vote with the greatest level of confidence I can get. Sorry it took a bit, but like I said, I had a lot of catching up do (while also taking kids to swim lessons and giving them baths solo dad style)

@ebon hawk

##vote Matt3142

Well I'm catching up.

I'm the easiest play for someone with there back against the wall due to my d1...

However I have some consistancy here as well since we have not played a game I understand why you see it this way.

D1 is always a crap show for me since I'm usually goofing around and having fun in the chaos I admit of d1 I dont really start trying until day 2. I feel as this is established.

Also this was even mentioned as a joke in the last game we played that I barely keep a vote on anyone for more than a few hours. And disporpotionetly throw my vote anywhere and everywhere. Yes as town and yes to the great frustration and dismay of my fellow townspeople. This has gotten me killed quite early in a few games but I love it hahaha and also as all town.

And now I must you my tool hahaha

##unvote

##vote @BrobaFett ?

Self preservation... even when people are defending my recent actions as town

I was online to drop the hammer on you before LP recalled his vote and even contemplated it. I gave you the chance to defend yourself and even sympathized with you until the very end

Well, I am satisfied with Broba's posts, so my top vote targets (since otherwise Mad would be listed) now are Matt and Jabba. Of those two, I am most suspicious of Matt, and since the day grows shorter:

##vote Matt

Didn't mention any of your day 1 stuff, this was purely based on d2.

I don't mind people playing willy nilly on day 1.

Also, It's even ok to pick new targets, so long as you have thought, reason, understanding. Your guiding motivation has been lunches. You have not produced anything helpful insofar as I read since d2 started.

I expected your vote on me, as you need to push hard on me because you don't have anything else to give. You can't defend yourself, and you haven't bothered to work up and cases or suspicions of your own. Your case essentially boils down to hoping town follows through with what I've already argued is a policy lynch cause of my mistakes.

Give us something else. Give us a real target. I've read, reread, combed and thought about it and this is what I've come up with.

My next looks (even though they could be the deciding vote here, I have to be honest and hope that we get a tomorrow to has things out more) seem to be LTD GNIPS or Jabbawookie.

All three of then share the uncanny ability to seem town while not doing much, walking that fine line between helpful but not to helpful.

GNIPS specifically always worries me because he always seems town, but that is what makes it hard to gauge when he is more so allowing the town to move without him particularly guiding or inputing on it. He runs that risk for town of being good at seeming town when he could be scum, but overall he is my lowest priority

Jabba and LTD are both in there along those same lines as my dark horses as a scummate for matt because of similar reasons. But if we have a scanner hopefully tomorrow one of them will be cleared and we can start really building a solid town voice to find out scum.

I have given reasons every time I've voted. D2 I did my research and posted what I found to be the most interesting thing and have voted for LTD accordingly your not trying to see anything but what you want to

##unvote

Until this is fully discussed, no L-1.

16 minutes ago, Matt3412 said:

I have given reasons every time I've voted. D2 I did my research and posted what I found to be the most interesting thing and have voted for LTD accordingly your not trying to see anything but what you want to

I mean that's essentially what i mean. You vote for someone one minute then follow them on the next lynch the next with no evidence being presented to change your opinion one way or the other except in the case of mad where you immediately shifted gears and tried to cozy with those who were gaining evidence to verify town.

1 hour ago, BrobaFett said:

Alright - so after looking things through so far, I think the most suspiciously scummy player in this game is Matt. He has been active, but there has been a lot said without saying a lot from him, if that makes sense. Most of his posts have involved casting his votes on whatever train is rolling or fishing for places he can follow to get lynches. Here's what I see-

Start of the day LTD votes on Mad and then leaves, which I mean, isn't how I do things and looks a tad suspicious but the rest of his play hasn't been too against town so I give it a pass assuming the vote was just to put some pressure on Mad for an explanation, not start a turbo train.

Matt meanwhile starts off throwing shade at ebon. When Con places a vote on Mad cause of his night read and figured that if town is willing to lynch what is to him (unless he is lying and got crazy lucky, which is unlikely) a verified third party he could get in on it.

Matt immediately hops on, because Mad has been on his list of people he has made comments of suspicion toward, so thus is an opportunistic target and at L2 (assuming most logically 2 scum) one more flippant early vote and the scummate hammers and D2 ends before it really even begins with a safe lynch. Obviously this is hugely problematic.

But it continues as the day wears on- looking for another target he asks for a vote count, does the math on what it takes to get me lynched, and offers to vote if Gnips would join in on me for the policy lynch.

This kind of inconsistent, lynch focused (but not particularly caring about the target) play reads incredibly scummy to me, but he's been able to fly under the radar on it cause suspicion has been fixated elsewhere. He has cast suspicion on more or less everyone, flipped camps when roles got revealed and people started looking really town, and hasn't really offered anything constructive other than his vote on whoever looks like he can get lynched.

Right now, that's my vote with the greatest level of confidence I can get. Sorry it took a bit, but like I said, I had a lot of catching up do (while also taking kids to swim lessons and giving them baths solo dad style)

@ebon hawk

##vote Matt3142

First off as I've said to Gnips I do see the argument for Matt, very cleary..

But and a big BUT, having been in his situation D1 when you draw heat *as* town, the next day you're in a mindset of trying to save yourself which can mean iffy votes, it's this that I think matt is dealing with, I think he's town scared of dying in the game and trying to stay alive... which is why he offered to vote IMO but that's how I see it, you could be right but I don't see it RN on matt

What I do find intriguing though, both you and Jabba have made this point on Matt now to see if it still has traction... Because I wouldn't say he's flown under the radar, to memory he has been brought up on it.. and as Matt says I also feel he's the easiest push today bar Mad, just like Vipcard was D1...

It's this that makes me more sure on you being scum

SO much so that Matts odd vote seems more off than LTDs super early vote? Or him following both wagons?

Cold truth, Jabba/Broba/LP/LTD/Matt is scum

Mad can make that list into 4, as his target has a high chance of being town..

LP/LTD/Matt can be argued to be playing more scummy games than Broba or Jabba, but in my experience those so obviously scum tend to be town and those who look safe aren't

End of the day, I need to be lynched tomorrow or the next day to stop a lylo loss, so are best chance is picking from that list of 5 or 4 if mad shares his target to get a scum. 4 people would be 50/50

41 minutes ago, The Jabbawookie said:

##unvote

Until this is fully discussed, no L-1.

Fancy adding to the discussion or just waiting to see where your vote should go next?

42 minutes ago, Matt3412 said:

I have given reasons every time I've voted. D2 I did my research and posted what I found to be the most interesting thing and have voted for LTD accordingly your not trying to see anything but what you want to

Yep, this is a very good point he raises.

I do not have anything much to add here - just woke up - caught up - posting before heading out.

I seem to feature quite highly in people's suspicious lists - this makes sense as I don't say a lot and am not great at the reading between the lines stuff. I mostly do vote analysis, which isn't very helpful when we've only had one vote.

The main argument against BrobaFett was that he did not post very much - and now he has posted quite a bit.

1. @LTD - me - town
2. @The Jabbawookie - ?
3. @GhostofNobodyInParticular - ?
4. @Madaghmire - claims third party
5. @BrobaFett - makes no claims beyond busy and town
6. @Matt3412 - claims he did not vote when BrobaFett was a L-1
7. @Lord Preyer - unvoted when BrobaFett was at L-1
8. @Constantine Valdor - indicates some kind of scanner
9. @EbonHawk - claims hated town

Of those who remain, Jabbawookie and GNIPs appear most suspicious to me at this time.

## unvote

## vote GhostofNobodyInParticular because why not I guess?

I'm also intrigued since my day start post both Jabba and Broba have now taken steps to distance themselves from each other...

Putting votes out, posts out to test the water, including each other on their top 3 scum lists... could be something

Just now, LTD said:

I do not have anything much to add here - just woke up - caught up - posting before heading out.

I seem to feature quite highly in people's suspicious lists - this makes sense as I don't say a lot and am not great at the reading between the lines stuff. I mostly do vote analysis, which isn't very helpful when we've only had one vote.

The main argument against BrobaFett was that he did not post very much - and now he has posted quite a bit.

1. @LTD - me - town
2. @The Jabbawookie - ?
3. @GhostofNobodyInParticular - ?
4. @Madaghmire - claims third party
5. @BrobaFett - makes no claims beyond busy and town
6. @Matt3412 - claims he did not vote when BrobaFett was a L-1
7. @Lord Preyer - unvoted when BrobaFett was at L-1
8. @Constantine Valdor - indicates some kind of scanner
9. @EbonHawk - claims hated town

Of those who remain, Jabbawookie and GNIPs appear most suspicious to me at this time.

## unvote

## vote GhostofNobodyInParticular because why not I guess?

I agree with everything you've said, but I think Gnips is Town IMO, haven't seen him playing his scum game but that's my opinion on him..

Interesting how apart from him everything else matches perfectly

Also Dortmund can suck balls, Bayern just lost Der Klassiker... very salty RN

Just now, EbonHawk said:

I'm also intrigued since my day start post both Jabba and Broba have now taken steps to distance themselves from each other...

Putting votes out, posts out to test the water, including each other on their top 3 scum lists... could be something

Be specific.

2 minutes ago, The Jabbawookie said:

Be specific.

23 hours ago, The Jabbawookie said:

As Watto would say, I’ll be needing something more substantial. Hopefully *someone* will scan me tonight so I can ascend to the cleared name club. My suspects right now are GNIPs, Broba (timing on both) and Matt (sorry, but I’ve been given no reason to drop that yet.)

19 hours ago, The Jabbawookie said:

If Broba doesn't appear in the next couple hours he's got my vote.

And again, if I can wake up scanned, that'd be great please. We're getting to the point where process of elimination is on our side.

13 hours ago, The Jabbawookie said:

##vote @BrobaFett

Better gimme a good reason to take it off, Broba...

50 minutes ago, The Jabbawookie said:

##unvote

Until this is fully discussed, no L-1.

3 minutes ago, The Jabbawookie said:

Be specific.

also

7 minutes ago, EbonHawk said:

I'm also intrigued since my day start post both Jabba and Broba have now taken steps to distance themselves from each other...

Putting votes out, posts out to test the water, including each other on their top 3 scum lists ... could be something