2 hours ago, Constantine Valdor said:

Lol Ebon is aggro all over me again just like Cal last game ? . I t's hard for me to adjust to US timezones, you guys are 1/3 a day behind most of the time, should I post my uni schedule again? I'll try to post as often I can. But now my mentor and sworn enemy dead ? , The only ones I know previously are LP, Matt, Jabba.

as for suspicion, I only suspect 2, Mads and LP.

Ebon vs Mads fight was fiery

LP for possibly hiding behind his flight plans xD, care to post your ticket sir? Normally I post my schedule ao everyone is notified when i can / can't be online to play, but maybe it's too private for you, so it's fine.

No thank you.

Even if I was Scum (which in this game I am not) I would not lie about real world activities. Not my playstyle or nature. You can take my word on such things or not but I am not going to cross the Rubicon of providing evidence of my actual life and work. That’s a decision each of us can make for our own different reasons and I respect that you have chosen differently to me in the past but I do not intend to follow suit.

Ok, here’s my list / thoughts

1. LTD – Me – town. Voted for Pod in retaliation, then followed Pod to vote for Vipcard3.

2. The Jabbawookie – 4th vote for Vipcard3

3. Podracer – voted for me, then jumped on Vipcard3 for not posting anything. We know now that Podracer was definitely town.

4. GNiPs – voted for Matt3412

5. Madaghmire – voted for EbonHawk, then unvoted. Did not vote finally.

6. BrobaFett – did not vote – busy – fell asleep

7. Matt3412 – hammer vote on Vipcard3

8. Lord Preyer – voted for Constantine Valdor, then changed to be 3rd on the Vipcard3 train before crossing the Atlantic

9. Constantine Valdor – 5th vote for Vipcard3

10. EbonHawk – voted Madaghmire, then unvoted

11. Vipcard3 – did not vote or post – now known to be town

I imagine we have two scum in our midst, maybe three if there are a number of town power roles.

I don’t know that we have enough data to make any bold assertions at this time.

I am most suspicious of those who did not vote: BrobaFett and Madaghmire. Next suspicious are those who voted but not for the vipcard train – perhaps they were moved with compassion, or simply did not have the time / opportunity to jump on board – or perhaps they are scum hoping for a no lynch result…

Eitherway, I think that Madaghmire remains top of my suspicions here – if the town is unwilling to kill veterans simply because they are veterans, it appears unlikely that the scum would do the same thing – the choice of Pod over Madaghmire or BrobaFett is peculiar.

I think I will ## vote Madaghmire

And off to bed!

Alright I have read this like 10 times i feel like so 8m going to address this.

I DID NOT FOLLOW EBON ONTO MAG.

I was the first vote on him....

I also listed my observation and voted according to what we could all see taking place. Thank u... next lol

8 hours ago, Lord Preyer said:

Tuesday was Election Day - as such my day started at 0530 and ran until 0300 so that was stretching the definition of “available” even for my time zone juggling talents!

Fair enough i was focused on the game either. it just wasn't stated at the time however this makes sense and I no longer have suspicion about your silence.

Since LP already commented on his stance, I vote ## @Madaghmire

Yeah so I'm going to continue to vote for mag. Also him and ebon fighting and then pod dies at night seems like an attempt to shift blame to ebon.

##vote @Madaghmire

1. @LTD EbonHawk
2. @The Jabbawookie
3. @GhostofNobodyInParticular
4. @Madaghmire LTD, Constantine Valdor, Matt3412
5. @BrobaFett
6. @Matt3412
7. @Lord Preyer
8. @Constantine Valdor
9. @EbonHawk

5 to Hammer

WOW, lotta stuff to catch up on give me 5 mins to read through

Holy cow. L-2 in around 2 hours and 6 posts? That's a fast train on little evidence. My top suspects are Matt and CV for following quickly with little justification.

3 minutes ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

Holy cow. L-2 in around 2 hours and 6 posts? That's a fast train on little evidence. My top suspects are Matt and CV for following quickly with little justification.

**** me, just caught up I mean if scum isn't on that I'm amazed

6 hours ago, Constantine Valdor said:

Lol Ebon is aggro all over me again just like Cal last game ? . I t's hard for me to adjust to US timezones, you guys are 1/3 a day behind most of the time, should I post my uni schedule again? I'll try to post as often I can. But now my mentor and sworn enemy dead ? , The only ones I know previously are LP, Matt, Jabba.

as for suspicion, I only suspect 2, Mads and LP.

Ebon vs Mads fight was fiery

LP for possibly hiding behind his flight plans xD, care to post your ticket sir? Normally I post my schedule ao everyone is notified when i can / can't be online to play, but maybe it's too private for you, so it's fine.

Don't worry mate, no aggro just felt you could use a little push today to talk more.. from your posts you're seeming more town than yesterday

For continuing to feel the way I did d1? I need to defend that? Nothings changed

3 hours ago, LTD said:

Ok, here’s my list / thoughts

1. LTD – Me – town. Voted for Pod in retaliation, then followed Pod to vote for Vipcard3.

2. The Jabbawookie – 4th vote for Vipcard3

3. Podracer – voted for me, then jumped on Vipcard3 for not posting anything. We know now that Podracer was definitely town.

4. GNiPs – voted for Matt3412

5. Madaghmire – voted for EbonHawk, then unvoted. Did not vote finally.

6. BrobaFett – did not vote – busy – fell asleep

7. Matt3412 – hammer vote on Vipcard3

8. Lord Preyer – voted for Constantine Valdor, then changed to be 3rd on the Vipcard3 train before crossing the Atlantic

9. Constantine Valdor – 5th vote for Vipcard3

10. EbonHawk – voted Madaghmire, then unvoted

11. Vipcard3 – did not vote or post – now known to be town

I imagine we have two scum in our midst, maybe three if there are a number of town power roles.

I don’t know that we have enough data to make any bold assertions at this time.

I am most suspicious of those who did not vote: BrobaFett and Madaghmire. Next suspicious are those who voted but not for the vipcard train – perhaps they were moved with compassion, or simply did not have the time / opportunity to jump on board – or perhaps they are scum hoping for a no lynch result…

Eitherway, I think that Madaghmire remains top of my suspicions here – if the town is unwilling to kill veterans simply because they are veterans, it appears unlikely that the scum would do the same thing – the choice of Pod over Madaghmire or BrobaFett is peculiar.

I think I will ## vote Madaghmire

##Unvote

Thank you, saw you lurking after vote and as I was up wanted to hear your thoughts, good stuff...

I'm Up there with Broba with you, which I will address in a minute

Can I say something as someone who thought Mad was scum, I don't think reading his game yesterday or today he is scum, I would encourage others to re-evaluate... an early kill does help us, we need conversation..

On 11/6/2018 at 1:44 AM, BrobaFett said:

Hahaha

## role confirmed

Pod, you should quickly vote everyone just so you can say you've voted for all the scum.

On 11/6/2018 at 4:47 PM, BrobaFett said:

Reminds me of the diner scene from space valls.

"Check please!"

On 11/6/2018 at 8:21 PM, BrobaFett said:

Wagoning and counter wagoning. Pods life. Also, I will have you know there is an ocean between pod and my balls and yet I still don't feel entirely safe....

meta - Looks like some new faces around that I haven't played with. Anyone legit new new as in first time playing on the boards here?

On 11/7/2018 at 7:02 PM, BrobaFett said:

Hey everyone! As I said before game I'm gonna be super duper unavailable today. I'll try and catch up tonight around 11pm pacific if that's not post day. I'll be the first to admit D1 for me is always a crap shoot.

Only interesting thing I've noticed so far is that GNIPS and Ebon started down a road that pointed some suspicion at Matt and he immediately turns around and doesn't address them and places a vote on Madagmire. That could be something worth taking note of, as I think those kind of things D1 - though flimsy - could be enough to risk voting over.

Only scum is super duper, the tone implied makes me think scum (thinnest reason you will ever see)

On 11/7/2018 at 8:57 PM, BrobaFett said:

Seems.... weird?

If this was true, he literally spoon fed this info to you. I think he mentioned it was a scum game to get out in front of us finding it out and making it look like he was lying. I mean, he could be double double faking, but for D1 with no other corroboration I don't think I buy that Mad accidentally told us all this is how he acted in a scum game = he is scum this game. It could be an attempt to hide in plain site... but I think that is way more risky than Mad would play scum at least d1.

On 11/8/2018 at 7:27 AM, BrobaFett said:

Has vip said anything at all? Sorry I'm fairly far behind.

He helps guide the vote on Vip without putting his vote down

8 hours ago, BrobaFett said:

Hey guys, sorry my D1 was inactive - I actually posted way more Wednesday than I initially planned, it was an unbelievably hectic day for me. I do realize I missed the vote, but that was because when I checked in at 11:30 and tried to rally, but then fell asleep before voting - and then the day ended at 3am my time. So yeah, it was kind of a rough one for me.

Should be more present here on out.

This is Broba's entire game, apart from floating around..

Notice a few jokes around Pods play at the start...He then defends mad a little, to draw onto side I imagine and establish town cred...

Now Pods death would make one look to Me and LTD this game... But in hindsight I noticed something from this game...

Unlike Mad who confronted me on the voting point as he does every game, Broba hasn't stood by his own playstlye...

When Pod joked with him about balls, Broba was closed off and didn't engage much, whereas I notice usually as town Broba gets involved in Banta and would've engaged with Pod, as well sa being more active overall(I know he said he wouldn't be free, but feels like scumarining)

I then think he was worried:

1: Because while Pod had been making overtones to him, he'd only voted for LTD this game so unlike pod, so he was worried he could be a target

2: Killing pod he knows he/scum could put pressure onto me and LTD

At this point I know it's not much, but my gut tells me Broba is scum, and Mad is not

##Vote @BrobaFett

Top 3: Broba, Jabba

CV - seeming town from todays post to me, but I want more from him before I can take him off that list for good

1 hour ago, Constantine Valdor said:

Since LP already commented on his stance, I vote ## @Madaghmire

Wait didn't see this...

IS THIS YOUR REASON? omwg you look scummy now

16 minutes ago, EbonHawk said:

an early kill does help us, we need conversation        .. 

What do you mean here? The longer we take to vote, the longer we talk about it.

1 hour ago, Matt3412 said:

Yeah so I'm going to continue to vote for mag. Also him and ebon fighting and then pod dies at night seems like an attempt to shift blame to ebon.

##vote @Madaghmire

This seems town, but misguided.. If mad wanted me dead, I'd be dead... Just doesn't seem how'd he would play, but I like the argument you present, it's plausible and comes from a town viewpoint imo

2 minutes ago, The Jabbawookie said:

What do you mean here? The longer we take to vote, the longer we talk about it.

typo.. ty for picking that up

an early kill doesn't help us, we need conversation        .. 

Killing mad early removes our conversation and chances to get scum to slip up, we should not be on L-2.. If we assume only 1 scum on wagon so far they can kill mad now, so please unvote at least 1 person

OKay guys in the benefit of helping town not kill early, and also us not losing to Lylo

My role although unasked is Hated Town (1 less vote need to hammer), so where Mad is L-2, I would L-1, this is not good if we reach lylo as I can be killed quicker...

and with how quickly the wagon built on Mad i don't want that to happen to me with you guys thinking the game will carry on and it will end...

My gut tells me Broba, Jabba, CV... I've ignored my gut for a while but last time i listened to it I caught JJ and Pod as scum and got NK for it many games back...

I'd even gamble CV is in that prime scum No2 slot on the vote, considering his reasons for voting mad of lack off

31 minutes ago, Matt3412 said:

For continuing to feel the way I did d1? I need to defend that? Nothings changed

It's the speed of the train's growth. You seem eager to end him, based on light evidence (D1 argument) with D2 barely begun.

Hold off voting for now. We don't want to risk Mad getting turboed, especially not this early in the day.

3 minutes ago, EbonHawk said:

I'd even gamble CV is in that prime scum No2 slot on the vote, considering his reasons for voting mad of lack off

Huh, prime time got earlier. When we started these games, it was slot 3.

Just now, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

Huh, prime time got earlier. When we started these games, it was slot 3.

been playing some maf offsite

Matt looks more misguided in his vote, CV looks very guided knowing why he wants to do it but doesn't tell us

I can’t really fault people for voting me, given how far off the rails my I let my game go yesterday. So if you want to say thats why you’re voting for me, I can accept that as the consequences of tilting. But there are a few key points I’d like to bring up;

1. LTD; I didn’t vote yesterday, because I didn’t like the Matt train that was up while I was awake, as it seemed formed upon a premise that I disagreed with. (Premise being that Matt had followed Ebon on me without giving adequate justification) When I woke up, night had started. I’d rather have had the day start at a different time also, so those of us in the middle or western states weren’t effectively pushed into an artificially pushed up deadline, but theres no perfect time given that this is a global game. But look at my actions through the lens of your own assumption; Matt was at like, L-2 or something very late in the day, and had his vote on me. If I had been scum, I could easily have dropped a vote on him before going to bed, it would have removed a critic, and it would be exceptionally easily to pass off as a circumstances warranted town vote. Does my post, defending Matt, which then led LP to pull his vote off, look like a scum play?

Additionally, you bring up that its odd scum would choose Podracer over Broba or myself. I disagree. Since this is primarily a meta argument, I’ll address it as such. I am, at this point, a terrible N1 kill choice. In games where town has an investigative role, I imagine I’m on most players short lists to target. This provides at least a one night buffer for the actual scum team, which makes me valuable for them while I’m alive, at least for N1. Leaving me alive and pushing me may even help them locate the actual investigator, if the player who knows my alignment with certainty attempts to defend me.

Furthermore, as the last game showed, I am a late game town liability, because in the absence of strong suspicion elsewhere people can be persuaded to vote me based on past performance. So why kill me early?

Finally, coming off the meta argument and back in game, given my awful D1, no scum team would kill me. Look how fast I hit L-2. Why in Earth would you take me off the board after that D1?

19 minutes ago, EbonHawk said:

OKay guys in the benefit of helping town not kill early, and also us not losing to Lylo

My role although unasked is Hated Town (1 less vote need to hammer), so where Mad is L-2, I would L-1, this is not good if we reach lylo as I can be killed quicker...

and with how quickly the wagon built on Mad i don't want that to happen to me with you guys thinking the game will carry on and it will end...

My gut tells me Broba, Jabba, CV... I've ignored my gut for a while but last time i listened to it I caught JJ and Pod as scum and got NK for it many games back...

I'd even gamble CV is in that prime scum No2 slot on the vote, considering his reasons for voting mad of lack off

This might be the first unprompted early reveal I’ve ever been completely ok with, tactically. Kudos.