Lore Edge Cases with Quick Builds

By theBitterFig, in X-Wing

So in another thread, I started musing about some ships which should never, ever exist in standard tournament 200/6 X-Wing. Darth Vader flying a TIE Defender, for example. I'm sorry, that's just too busted. But it's also an image folks remember from the old TIE Fighter game (I never played it) or more recently in the Thrawn backstory.

Or Sabine Wren in a TIE Defender. Cool moment in the show, but in game? Just no.

Shuttle Tydirium is something long yearned for by many, but it seems awkward to put a ship on a stealth mission into a directly combat-oriented game.

There are no doubt other cool things in the world of Star Wars which just shouldn't exist in the game.

But what if there were Quick Builds for these things?

I know some folks have wanted ways to gain access to revised, errata'd cards. FFG has talked about having bundles where the new upgrades in a wave could be bought outside standard expansions, so folks don't need to rebuy lots of ships. So how about they throw in some oddball quick builds, and allow them in special events.

Consider:

  • Shuttle Tydirium as a Rebel-aligned quick build. Piloted by Han Solo, it'd have the following upgrades: Chewbacca, Leia Organa, C-3PO, R2-D2, Luke Skywalker gunner (doing nothing but providing a Force charge...), the force talent Sense, and a special title (Shuttle Tydirium: Start of Game: assign a Cloak token to this ship). Make it... 3 threat? Most well-built shuttles in the Empire quick build list are 3-threat. This is perhaps a little extreme, but the point is FUN! more than balance.
  • Darth Vader in a TIE Defender. Instinctive Aim, Ion Torpedoes, Tractor Beam, Collision Detector (dude had a bad experience in this trench one time...). Let's say 5 threat, one more than non-force TIE Defenders. But because it's quick build, the most extreme nonsense like Supernatural Reflexes is locked away. It'll still be hugely powerful, but it wouldn't go around ruining the standard game.
  • A paired set of TIE pilots for Empire: SS-25 and Ria Talla--that is, Wedge and Sabine at the Imperial Academy in the process of defecting. Same pilot abilities and initiative as the Rebel versions, but flying for Empire. That'd be fun and different to play a bit, but not something I need all the time.
  • I don't think I need an Unkar Plutt piloted Millennium Falcon, by why not?
  • Let's get that Maarek Stele gunboat on the table ASAP, right!
  • Ezra as a gunner on a Lancer with Maul? That's a bit more of a "what if?" or "elseworlds" situation than exactly a moment from the shows, but hey.

The thought of having these in a box with updated errata'd cards and the each wave's new upgrades is perhaps a stretch, but I think there's merit in the idea of using quick builds to represent some of these things, rather than actually allowing them in standard play.

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So I'll open it up:

What are some other cool moments and combinations in Star Wars (movies, shows, books, games) where a nutty quick build might be a better way to express them than normal constructed play?

Corran Horn in an X-Wing, with a Force point.

PUT ? POE ? DAMERON ? IN ? A ? TIE/SF!

Hopefully Finn gunner slot too.

Just now, HammerGibbens said:

PUT ? POE ? DAMERON ? IN ? A ? TIE/SF!

Hopefully Finn gunner slot too.

How did I forget this one!?!?!

5 minutes ago, theBitterFig said:

How did I forget this one!?!?!

Cloud everything, the dark side does.

Definitely need the shuttle in the quickbuild format. It’s something lots of people have desired to play for a long time, myself included. It would be a great fit for quickbuild but has never made much sense in normal games. It could even be introduced in a new wave kit as a prize card since the wave one kit brings new quickbuilds to the table.

If memory serves, N'dru Suhlak was a hunt saboteur with a passenger spot in his Z-95 for 'saving' people from bounty hunters; give him some sort of crew?

Han Solo in a TIE Fighter

10 minutes ago, Cgriffith said:

Han Solo in a TIE Fighter

Did that actually make it into any of the Legends storylines involving Han (as in did the story involving it actually get published?) or was it just filler to explain the red stripes on his pants?

34 minutes ago, Hiemfire said:

Did that actually make it into any of the Legends storylines involving Han (as in did the story involving it actually get published?) or was it just filler to explain the red stripes on his pants?

Who cares?


It's canon.

8 minutes ago, Captain Lackwit said:

Who cares?


It's canon.

Haven't had the chance to watch the film yet so I was unaware he actually ended up flying TIEs instead of going straight to the Infantry (had to look it up...). Afterburners needs to be on that card, init 4 or 5. Threat 3 (it is a TIE even with Han at the stick), may perform an action while stressed for the cost of suffering 1 hit.

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Han Solo in a Z-95. Leia in a Y-Wing.

7 hours ago, theBitterFig said:
  • Shuttle Tydirium as a Rebel-aligned quick build. Piloted by Han Solo, it'd have the following upgrades: Chewbacca, Leia Organa, C-3PO, R2-D2, Luke Skywalker gunner (doing nothing but providing a Force charge...), the force talent Sense, and a special title (Shuttle Tydirium: Start of Game: assign a Cloak token to this ship). Make it... 3 threat? Most well-built shuttles in the Empire quick build list are 3-threat. This is perhaps a little extreme, but the point is FUN! more than balance.

Not really sure that Cloak really fits with the shuttle. For one thing, if the shuttle's flying around in combat, odds are it's not on a stealth mission. There's nothing wrong with the Rebels using stolen equipment for non-secret missions.

Furthermore, there's a big difference between being unseen and being seen but not recognized. If the stealth aspect is that important, maybe it would fit better as something like, " Tydirium - Title - 1 Charge (non-recurring) - This charge may not be recovered by any means. While this charge is active, the opponent may not attack or assign tokens to this ship. If you attack or assign tokens to an enemy ship, lose 1 charge."

That may require a bit of tweaking to get worded for correct balance, but you get the idea. Also, pretty sure all that would be more than 3 threat.

Great idea, I love it. It's a super neat way to d all those 'but what about this one time that this ship was flown out of faction' edge cases without releasing cross-faction ships. The base plates might be an issue, though...

What about Han in an X-wing, he flies one in the Canon Star Wars comic series.

4 hours ago, JJ48 said:

Not really sure that Cloak really fits with the shuttle. For one thing, if the shuttle's flying around in combat, odds are it's not on a stealth mission. There's nothing wrong with the Rebels using stolen equipment for non-secret missions.

Furthermore, there's a big difference between being unseen and being seen but not recognized. If the stealth aspect is that important, maybe it would fit better as something like, " Tydirium - Title - 1 Charge (non-recurring) - This charge may not be recovered by any means. While this charge is active, the opponent may not attack or assign tokens to this ship. If you attack or assign tokens to an enemy ship, lose 1 charge."

That may require a bit of tweaking to get worded for correct balance, but you get the idea. Also, pretty sure all that would be more than 3 threat.

Cloak concept was mostly for ease. It's an established way to prevent the shuttle from attacking and also provide defenses. While something like the Captured TIE title from 1e could also work, there's something easy about just being cloaked. It also makes a super-potent support shuttle slightly more vulnerable and interactive.

As to more than 3 threat, maybe. Probably. But a 4-threat shuttle probably makes a game un-winnable. My thought was "these gimicky quick builds would be special, perhaps a bit stronger, but you'd only fly with one in a list." Maybe represent that with a special tag. Only one "legendary" Quick Build per list. A Defender-Vader, even with a weaker upgrade selection, also might be worth more than 5-threat.

4 hours ago, thespaceinvader said:

Great idea, I love it. It's a super neat way to d all those 'but what about this one time that this ship was flown out of faction' edge cases without releasing cross-faction ships. The base plates might be an issue, though...

Details, details...

In my "dream version" these QBs and the base tokens would come in a box with the upgrades of a wave (so you don't have to re-buy old ships), as well as any updated card texts and such.

21 hours ago, Captain Lackwit said:

Who cares?


It's canon.

Why in the Force wasn't this in the movie? This is actually what I wanted to see in the movie and it is a deleted scene ? Seriously this scene would have made the movie better. It still wouldn't have been good but mediocre is better than the bantha poodoo we got instead. You know what, Disney can go to Mustafar (unless there is a worse planet then it can go to that).

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1 hour ago, Marinealver said:

Why in the Force wasn't this in the movie? This is actually what I wanted to see in the movie and it is a deleted scene ? Seriously this scene would have made the movie better. It still wouldn't have been good but mediocre is better than the bantha poodoo we got instead. You know what, Disney can go to Mustafar (unless there is a worse planet then it can go to that).

I-

SOLO is easily one of the better Star Wars films period. Besides, if this were in you would've been mad it wasn't longer. :P

13 minutes ago, Captain Lackwit said:

I-

SOLO is easily one of the better Star Wars films period. Besides, if this were in you would've been mad it wasn't longer. :P

Like, I get that people aren’t gonna like TLJ, but the hate solo gets is unfounded.

Get this: some people hate rogue one more than the prequels.

34 minutes ago, nikk whyte said:

Get this: some people hate rogue one more than the prequels.

A Boring nothing movie about a sentence vs. highly interesting political debate setting the stage for the downfall of the republic? I can see it.

(Not even sure if sarcasm or not, pls no bully)

On-topic: Can we get a RotJ Lando Falcon? But we need gunners to be added first...

53 minutes ago, nikk whyte said:

Like, I get that people aren’t gonna like TLJ, but the hate solo gets is unfounded.

Get this: some people hate rogue one more than the prequels.

yeah TLJ is understandably polarizing. I'm glad I'm on the side I am, and I'm excited to see that side grow over time, as this age of faux outrage comes to a close... But as for Rogue One...

You know what? I kind of get it. Rogue One is... Isn't all that great really. We get a lot of characters we don't really get a chance to care about, several unutilized elements, and really overall, the main thing people talk about from it is the Vader scene.

Nobody really talks about anything but the Vader scene and the space battles, because that's all fanservice stuff we love and wanted to see. Imagine if Rogue One had neither of those things! We'd be forced to talk about the far less interesting elements, like the rest of the film.

It's honestly my least favorite Star Wars film that isn't The Clone Wars... But, I don't hate it. I don't hate any Star Wars film. But out of them all, Rogue One is the least interesting to me personally.

1 hour ago, Captain Lackwit said:

I-

SOLO is easily one of the better Star Wars films period. Besides, if this were in you would've been mad it wasn't longer. :P

Long enough, one of my major criticism of this origin story is it didn't show Solo as n Imperial Pilot. If they replaced the whole "Solo" name scene with this scene, it would just be bad, not Sith Awful.

Rouge one was just fanservice for those that play Star Wars games and would like to see Star wars actions. The Story, the characters, it was nothing. Replicable with anyone and anything. Hey make Jyn a Twilek, see if that has any change on the story. Not at all.

I liked TLJ but that was only because I didn't care much for TFA. However between which is worse, those movies or the prequels? It is impossible to tell until the 9th one comes out. My prediction, the new trilology as a whole won't be as bad as the prequels, but it won't be any better.

39 minutes ago, Captain Lackwit said:

But out of them all, Rogue One is the least interesting to me personally.

But for every you, there's a me.

RO is my favorite SW movie now, even dusting ESB. Where you see characters that didn't live long enough to get interesting, I see characters that fulfilled their story arc, and better yet, won't be mindlessly reincarnated for the rest of SW history. ;)

People just need to let everyone have their favorite film, and be happy that new choices will keep being added to the mix.

Solo wasn't great, but it was definitely good enough.

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2 hours ago, Marinealver said:

Long enough, one of my major criticism of this origin story is it didn't show Solo as n Imperial Pilot. If they replaced the whole "Solo" name scene with this scene, it would just be bad, not Sith Awful.

Rouge one was just fanservice for those that play Star Wars games and would like to see Star wars actions. The Story, the characters, it was nothing. Replicable with anyone and anything. Hey make Jyn a Twilek, see if that has any change on the story. Not at all.

I liked TLJ but that was only because I didn't care much for TFA. However between which is worse, those movies or the prequels? It is impossible to tell until the 9th one comes out. My prediction, the new trilology as a whole won't be as bad as the prequels, but it won't be any better.

That's just it though... Are the prequels so bad? Really honestly? I swear like the hate for them is mostly a meme at this point. Also I dig the way he got his name. Just some offhanded kinda' insult. I mean, that's how I got my name, "Captain Lackwit". I was like

"Oh you know what I'm gonna' use that, it fits well enough."

He never did reply to my thank you for the name, lol.

2 hours ago, Darth Meanie said:

But for every you, there's a me.

RO is my favorite SW movie now, even dusting ESB. Where you see characters that didn't live long enough to get interesting, I see characters that fulfilled their story arc, and better yet, won't be mindlessly reincarnated for the rest of SW history. ;)

People just need to let everyone have their favorite film, and be happy that new choices will keep being added to the mix.

Solo wasn't great, but it was definitely good enough.

And hey, that's totally fair. You're free to like what you like and dislike what you like.

However I will state firmly that I think the film got greedy with its "Hold me as I die" scene. Chirrut and Baze had nothing worthwhile to resolve. Jyn and Galen absolutely did.

11 hours ago, Captain Lackwit said:

yeah TLJ is understandably polarizing. I'm glad I'm on the side I am, and I'm excited to see that side grow over time, as this age of faux outrage comes to a close... But as for Rogue One...

Really? All I'm seeing is more and more people disliking it. AT for all the comments people had about prequels and TFA being bad, the failure of Solo and the cancellation of projects is a direct result of TLJ backlash.

Regardless, it was a terrible movie and I'm glad I'm on the side I am.