Are some of the oddities in Quick build list errors or on purpose?

By aceckert, in X-Wing

We played 2.0 for the first time last week using selections from the quick build list and came across a few upgrades that seemed odd choices.

One example would be that Hera's Ghost build has elusive. Not only does elusive exclude large ships, but the Ghost has little use for a defense reroll since it rolls 0 defense dice (unless it is a range 3).

The IG-88 B & C quick build also list each having ion cannon with the turret icon next to them (they take cannons not turrets). In that case we assumed they just put the wrong icon in and used "Ion Cannon" instead of "Ion Cannon Turret".

I do love the quick builds as a casual player, but end up having to double check what they list.

Based on the fact that they gave a TIE Fighter Proton Torpedoes in one of the upcoming promo "enhanced quick-build" cards, I'd say yes. I haven't played Battlefront 2 yet. Does the TIE fighter in-game have torpedo tubes?

Some of these really feel like they randomized, like the Ghost. The IG's icon was probably a mistake, though.

Quick build cards are designed to get people up and running... quickly. They don't follow the normal list building rules. I'm quite sure the cards are not errors, especially considering the same things are printed on the quick build lists.

The IG-88B and C do seem like an error in the iconography used.

Edited by Skitchx

Quick builds can break the rules and do so very frequently, either to make them roughly 25 point increments, for flavour (The u wing with an ICT for instance) or both.

I was bored, so here's a list of quick build oddities:

Interesting Slots:

-Many ships have more mod slots than they can usually have

-Esege Tuketu has a Sensor (Trajectory Simulator)

-Jan Ors has an Illicit (Cloaking Device)

-Rebel Scout has 2 Devices (Proton Bombs and Seismics)

-Captain Rex has 2 EPTs (Juke and Elusive)

-Sabine Wren (TIE) has a Device (Connor Nets)

-Heff Tober has a Turret and a Gunner (ICT and Bistan)

-Chewbacca has an extra Crew and an extra Gunner (C3PO, R2D2, Leia, Han, and Luke) (so thematic!)

-Hera (Ghost) has a small ship only EPT (Elusive)

-Dash has 2 EPTs (Expert Handling and Trick Shot)

-Wampa has an EPT (Crackshot)

-2 Alpha squadron Interceptors with Ablative Plating option. Ablative Plating is Medium and Large ship only.

-Palob Godalhi has 2 EPTs (Juke and Debris Gambit) (this is a really cool build)

-4LOM has an extra Crew and an extra Gunner (000, Zuckus, BT1)

-Moralo Eval has a Gunner (Dengar)

-Latts Razzi has 2 Gunners (Bossk and Dengar)

-Trandoshian Slaver has a Gunner (Hotshot Gunner)

-Bossk has a Gunner (Greedo) (anybody else have a suspission the YV666 will get a gunner slot for real any time soon?)

Errors:

-Esege Tuketu: Ion Missiles has a Crew icon

-Ten Numb: Squad Leader has a Crew icon

-Leebo: Inertial Dampners has a Mod icon

-Major Vynder: Barrage Rockets only has one Missile icon

-IG88B+C: Ion Canon has a Turret icon

There's almost certainly more, so let me know if you see anything.

Edited by player2072913
15 minutes ago, player2072913 said:

-Captain Rex has 2 EPTs (Juke and Elusive)

Does Caption Rex make an appearance here?

Just now, Skitchx said:

Does Caption Rex make an appearance here?

It's all about Marksmenship now

10 minutes ago, player2072913 said:

Bossk has a Gunner (Greedo) (anybody else have a suspission the YV666 will get a gunner slot for real any time soon?)

That was the other quick build I used and questioned. So 3 of the 4 squads we ran that night had something off about them.

Note, I still really like the quick builds and escalation. They will make it a lot easier to play with family over the holidays.

It’s odd yo me the Quickbuild cards in the new wave kit are different than the quickbuilds we have online, as was mentioned earlier, the Iden Tie has proton torps, not sure on the other two cards. That’s strange that there would be quickbuilds that were only available though organized play.

2 hours ago, player2072913 said:

-Chewbacca has an extra Crew and an extra Gunner (C3PO, R2D2, Leia, Han, and Luke) (so thematic!)

Thematic, but if possible it would cost 171 pts!

2 hours ago, Skitchx said:

Does Caption Rex make an appearance here?

"Welcome Aboard, its your first flight...and mine too. Hehe"

There are a 2 Alpha squadron Interceptors with Ablative Plating option. Ablative Plating is Medium and Large ship only.

15 hours ago, Vykk Draygo said:

It’s odd yo me the Quickbuild cards in the new wave kit are different than the quickbuilds we have online, as was mentioned earlier, the Iden Tie has proton torps, not sure on the other two cards. That’s strange that there would be quickbuilds that were only available though organized play.

Well, the physical cards will only be available through organized play. Given that all of the conversion kit "cards" have no physical representation, anyone who says you can't run Iden in her BF2 Tie without the card is not worth playing against (Well, provided you show the card actually exists, of course).

18 hours ago, CaptainIxidor said:

Based on the fact that they gave a TIE Fighter Proton Torpedoes in one of the upcoming promo "enhanced quick-build" cards, I'd say yes. I haven't played Battlefront 2 yet. Does the TIE fighter in-game have torpedo tubes?

Some of these really feel like they randomized, like the Ghost. The IG's icon was probably a mistake, though.

Yes, BF2 stupidly gave the TIE/ln freaking proton torpedoes.

In the campaign, it seemed fine because it appeared only Inferno Squad ships received the upgrade, but they all have it in multiplayer. It's really disappointing, considering Starfighter Assault is, to me, the only thing remotely worth playing in the game yet they steamrolled over a major detail.

Most of the quick builds make sense, even if they hand out slots a ship does not normally get. If your concern is just “hey how did he get that extra slot” it’s because ffg decided it’d be fun and since you have to take the names choices it doesn’t break the game like in a points build where you can take anything you have points for in a given slot type.

Follow the quick build and have fun. Or just play squad points in the app.

Do not fret over “mistakes” caused by breaking the limitations ffg has put on the chassis or cards.

Yeah, the IG one seems like a typo of symbol because the text clearly says ion cannon even if the icon is turret (and ion cannon fits ig88 ability better). Dengar also has the typo of getting r4 agromech - give him the r4 Astro they meant.

2 hours ago, Arttemis said:

Yes, BF2 stupidly gave the TIE/ln freaking proton torpedoes.

In the campaign, it seemed fine because it appeared only Inferno Squad ships received the upgrade, but they all have it in multiplayer. It's really disappointing, considering Starfighter Assault is, to me, the only thing remotely worth playing in the game yet they steamrolled over a major detail.

That is annoying but also my exact expectation of starfighter assault in Battlefront games going all the way to the old Pandemic ones. V-Wing and Belbullab being bombers and the HMP Droid Gunship being a space-faring transport craft (though I don't see why it couldn't be, honestly, and I want it in XWTMG) are all silly things, though I know when they were developing these some of the craft that would now be expected to fill those roles weren't fully created so they improvised.

The Ghost having Elusive is actually really thematic even if it doesn't actually work using game mechanics. I feel like we should have some special rules for some of these thematic quick-builds, kind of like the Iden Enhanced QB getting the Lock action without any upgrades that grant it (I actually wish we did have Targeting Computer to fill one of the TIE/IN mod slots).

Correct me if I'm wrong, but there's no way to get a TIE/ln a Target Lock in quickbuild, right? So aren't the Torpedoes just utterly wasted points?

Elusiveness on Hera is at least not entirely unusable.

Ion Cannon Turret IGs... fun!


So the quickbuild cards are about as reliable as the Squad Building App, eh? :(

31 minutes ago, AllWingsStandyingBy said:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but there's no way to get a TIE/ln a Target Lock in quickbuild, right? So aren't the Torpedoes just utterly wasted points?

I think the only way is to bring Oicunn's quickbuild, which has Grand Moff Tarkin crew.

I thought the enhanced quickbuild also got the TL action added?

1 hour ago, AllWingsStandyingBy said:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but there's no way to get a TIE/ln a Target Lock in quickbuild, right? So aren't the Torpedoes just utterly wasted points?

Elusiveness on Hera is at least not entirely unusable.

Ion Cannon Turret IGs... fun!


So the quickbuild cards are about as reliable as the Squad Building App, eh? :(

The Iden Versio quick build card grants the Lock action. It's in the lower right area, away from all the other actions.