With Wave II being primarily Resistance/ First Order and Wave III presumably being primarily Republic/CIS the next two waves are more or less spoken for. Additionally, the 4 new factions will need a ton of ships to get up to speed. Even if they don't all get as many ships as the Big 3 factions, you would think they need at least 8- 10 ships each just to cover the main archetypes. Finally, all of the 1.0 ships need to be re-released which is going to take a few years at the current rate. So when are we gonna get a new ships for the two flagship factions of X-Wing? One could say that they are pretty much completely fleshed out and don't need anything new or that the re-releases will add pilots and upgrades which will keep those factions fresh, but I would guess that that would disappoint a lot of long time players. I just don't want to go two plus years before getting a new chassis.

Not for a while. Plenty of rereleases for them to do with only new cards and then see if and how they do their “don’t need to buy all the models again” deal.

I would guess the other factions need to catch up first, especially if a curated format is their primary competitive meta game now to drive most of the play around the stuff they are rereleasing

It seems unlikely FFG will release new ships for the core factions simultaneously as they release the new factions. Idle players who prefer the GCW but are looking for something new to pick up will probably be more inclined to pull the trigger on the Separatists or Republic and dive into yet another faction if there aren't also some new GCW-era releases they could pick up to scratch their collecting itch. As precedence, Wave 6 which introduced the Scum faction contained only four Scum releases. Huge ships have also been released on their own, and not with other ships as part of a wave. FFG wants to concentrate attention and focus upon big releases, as this can increase the amount of customers who pull the trigger and buy that new thing that they otherwise might have been able to pass up.

So, the very earliest that Imps or Rebs will get new ships is probably something like 3 years away. Not that it matters much, as it seems like it'll probably be at least that long before Disney gives those factions any new ship content with Star Wars: Resistance , Episode IX , and The Mandalorian being their only current focus for the time being. I suppose it's possible we may see some new Imperial stuff from The Mandalorian , but given it's right between OT and ST, it's probably more likely that stuff would fall under the "rise of the First Order" era.

Sounds solid. Plus, the new cards that will come with brand-new ships will force tournament players to buy them anyway for the upgrades.

Re-releases of the 1st ed ships should not be part of any waves but just done all at once as being the right thing to do since it is only repackaging.

But currently I dont think they need a lot of new stuff. Maybe one or two popped in just because (even then, I'd be happy with different paints especially with the scum to represent how different cartels or mercenary groups would customize for themselves). Other things like redoing the colored bases with medium ones would also help many "upgrade" their current fleets. I'd say yes, definitely let the others catch up first.

Besides, its a marketing ploy to get you to expand into other fleets and buy more models of the new factions. ... Excited about the game, saving your money with it burning a hole in your pocket..... hey, this new stuff looks REALLY cool and since they dont have anything new in my current fleet, I'll start a "test" fleet of these new guys just to try them out.Next thing ya know, your fully invested in the new fleet as well.... lol GW is also bad about doing this.

But FF have already shown that they can "create" new ships to add in that arent official. This would be especially easy to do with the scum, villians and other such groups as in the fluff, they arent above "kitbashing" ships out of spae parts and scraps. Would be a great opportunity to give those players a huge bone and ability to customize fleets (at least in appearance) to match the image they have in their minds of their fleets. This would be much harder to do with the "main" factions as they are more "standard" in their fleets and armaments.

Real answer: maybe never. Game could easily reboot to 3rd Edition before we get there.

Have you already explored the possibilities of the existing ships?

2 minutes ago, flooze said:

Have you already explored the possibilities of the existing ships?

Thats what I did in 40k.

No new stuff so got out the book and looked at all the options I didnt have and got some of them to try out ...just because. greatly expanded my army and came in real handy for larger and larger games. Same principle would apply here.

The only thing I can think of with a decent chance of release right now is the TIE Brute. There's definitely plenty of worthwhile options in Legends for the GE but I don't think Rebels has as many likely options. Most of the things I can think of for Rebels seem less than likely (N-1, YT-2000, etc).

51 minutes ago, EVIL INC said:

since it is only repackaging.

A release or re-release is a bit more complicated than just pulling old ships off the shelves or out of storage bins and putting them in new containers with new cards and cardboard, especially with the change in how they are manufactured compared to GWs cast minis...

1 hour ago, ScummyRebel said:

Not for a while. Plenty of rereleases for them to do with only new cards and then see if and how they do their “don’t need to buy all the models again” deal.

I would guess the other factions need to catch up first, especially if a curated format is their primary competitive meta game now to drive most of the play around the stuff they are rereleasing

Do the other factions need to "catch up" in terms of the number of ships? Maybe the newer factions will be given less than the 14-20 ships in the existing and just more options in the form of titles, configurations, and unique pilots. The T-70 having 9 unique pilots may suggest that is where the Resistance faction is going

Firstly, when the heck is new stuff going to be announced?

Wave 2 is FO/Res?

Lets see, assuming a good 3 month gap between releases, we could expect Wave 3 around February or March, Wave 4 around May or June, Wave 5 August or September and then Wave 6 in November or December. Based off that I think Wave 3 will solely will be PT stuff, with Wave 4 continuing that and adding more content to the ST era ships possibly with some crossover with Resistance. With Wave 6 if trends are to be believed tied to Episode 9 then I think we would most likely see something during Wave 4 or 5. The Empire is short the number of ships the Rebels have and Solo gave them the Tie Brute which could fill a cannon based slot with it bringing new cannons to the table. They could even release it at the same time they rerelease the B-Wing.

31 minutes ago, kogtim said:

Do the other factions need to "catch up" in terms of the number of ships? Maybe the newer factions will be given less than the 14-20 ships in the existing and just more options in the form of titles, configurations, and unique pilots. The T-70 having 9 unique pilots may suggest that is where the Resistance faction is going

The difference is that the Republic and CIS have enough ships to catch up to the OT factions whereas the ST ones have like 4-5 ships total at the moment aside from the ships that have recently been introduced in Resistance. I mean what do they have?

Resistance: T-70 X-Wing, A-Wing Mk.2, Resistance Transport, Resistance Bomber, and the Falcon with Resistance so far opening the door to the T-85 X-Wing and Fireball. Which pretty much just leaves us with 3 ships to add provided they didn't have early knowledge of ships from Resistance.

FO: TIE/fo, TIE/sf, Tie Silencer, Upsilon Shuttle and the Resistance giving them the TIE/fo Interceptor. Which again means they have 3 ships to add provided they didn't have early knowledge of ships from Resistance.

Meanwhile I can easily come up with a good 10 or so ships for the Republic and CIS right off the top of my head.

5 minutes ago, Blail Blerg said:

Firstly, when the heck is new stuff going to be announced?

Wave 2 is FO/Res?

Wave 2 is:

T-70 X-Wing

A-Wing Mk. 2

TIE/fo

Mining Guild TIE

Plus the conversion kits.

I don't know if wave 2 will truly be a 4 ship release. Wave 1 was a 6 ship release and they had 3 conversion kits. It seems odd if Wave 2 only had those 2 resistance ships and the TIE/FO. I expect a release for the the primary 3 and by release a reprint of a ship that is in a conversion kit. Wave 3 could be a clone wars release and that is the only one I can see without having ships for the other factions because there is no conversion kits. As for the rest I expect a 1-2 ship per faction per wave for 2nd edition until 2nd edition catches up with extended, but who knows how many waves that would take.

However I could be wrong.

2 minutes ago, Marinealver said:

I don't know if wave 2 will truly be a 3 ship release.

It is a 4 ship release (Scum is getting the Mining Guild TIE, some interesting possibilities there) as far as we know right now and based on what is on the FFG Second Edition website.

Yuck I guess only one FO $40 kit for me. =/

Actually, I have wayyy too many ships now. Dunno what to do with them.

2 minutes ago, Hiemfire said:

It is a 4 ship release (Scum is getting the Mining Guild TIE, some interesting possibilities there) as far as we know right now and based on what is on the FFG Second Edition website.

That's right, I forgot about a new TIE Fighter for Scum (please tell me Republic gets a Z-95). That could be something, FFG could release conversion kits for Republic that gives them ARC-170 and Z-95 as a start for extended, and C.I.S. could get 2 ships in wave 3.

22 minutes ago, Blail Blerg said:

Firstly, when the heck is new stuff going to be announced?

Wave 2 is FO/Res?

Wave 2 is announced. It’s coming in November. I imagine we will know about wave 3 contents a week or so following wave 2 release.

47 minutes ago, kogtim said:

Do the other factions need to "catch up" in terms of the number of ships? Maybe the newer factions will be given less than the 14-20 ships in the existing and just more options in the form of titles, configurations, and unique pilots. The T-70 having 9 unique pilots may suggest that is where the Resistance faction is going

Maybe not all the way up, but when they only have 4 choices a piece (in extended format no less - not just the limited 2e format) there’s a long way to go.

I wouldn’t be surprised to find that wave 3 is all CIS/Republic and has a larger release since there’s more of those ships out there in the known canon they could have tested for a bigger bang. Or they could wait to release gem.

1 minute ago, Marinealver said:

That's right, I forgot about a new TIE Fighter for Scum (please tell me Republic gets a Z-95). That could be something, FFG could release conversion kits for Republic that gives them ARC-170 and Z-95 as a start for extended, and C.I.S. could get 2 ships in wave 3.

The Republic should get access to the "standard" Z-95 as well as their larger Clone variant, them not getting the ACR-170 (with generics, not just limited pilots) would be a bit odd as well.

You could throw in a CIS conversion kit for the Firespray (possible, Jango was working for them) and maybe the Lancer (Ventriss. Causes me to cringe though, Scum Lancer needs some love, allot of love).

3 minutes ago, Marinealver said:

That's right, I forgot about a new TIE Fighter for Scum (please tell me Republic gets a Z-95). That could be something, FFG could release conversion kits for Republic that gives them ARC-170 and Z-95 as a start for extended, and C.I.S. could get 2 ships in wave 3.

They will definitely get the ARC-170 at somepoint but the Z-95 they use is radically different from the one we already have considering it has a different frame, is a good bit wider, and fires torps instead of missiles.

I don't think the Republic even really used the classic Z-95 outside a few one off cases with a Jedi using on the spur of the moment. Their navy didn't and instead just used the Clone variant.

What we know so far is that the CIS are getting the Sith Infiltrator and Droid Starfighter (based off the promo art for 2.0) and the Republic is getting the Delta 7 Jedi Starfighter.

14 minutes ago, Animewarsdude said:

Resistance: T-70 X-Wing, A-Wing Mk.2, Resistance Transport, Resistance Bomber, and the Falcon with Resistance so far opening the door to the T-85 X-Wing and Fireball. Which pretty much just leaves us with 3 ships to add provided they didn't have early knowledge of ships from Resistance.

FO: TIE/fo, TIE/sf, Tie Silencer, Upsilon Shuttle and the Resistance giving them the TIE/fo Interceptor. Which again means they have 3 ships to add provided they didn't have early knowledge of ships from Resistance.

There's actually two Resistance transports that could fit in, though one of them is from a theme park and that sadly makes it less likely. I don't think the Fireball even counts, honestly. If we get Kaz in Resistance, I think he'll just be in the T-85. They could technically get a handful of ships hat exist in other factions: RZ1 A-Wing, BTL-S3 Y-Wing, Eta-2 Actis, ARC-170, Clone Z95, HH-87 Starhopper (I'll admit these are all a bit of a stretch). There was also some one-off ships outside of those but I don't believe all of them have canon names.

2 minutes ago, Animewarsdude said:

They will definitely get the ARC-170 at somepoint but the Z-95 they use is radically different from the one we already have considering it has a different frame, is a good bit wider, and fires torps instead of missiles.

I don't think the Republic even really used the classic Z-95 outside a few one off cases with a Jedi using on the spur of the moment. Their navy didn't and instead just used the Clone variant.

What we know so far is that the CIS are getting the Sith Infiltrator and Droid Starfighter (based off the promo art for 2.0) and the Republic is getting the Delta 7 Jedi Starfighter.

I still think the Republic will get both the Z-95-AF (what the Rebel and Scum variant more or less is) and the Clone Z-95. The Clone one will just end up being larger with more hp and different upgrades (torps instead of missiles, maybe a sensor slot, that sort of thing).

6 minutes ago, Animewarsdude said:

They will definitely get the ARC-170 at somepoint but the Z-95 they use is radically different from the one we already have considering it has a different frame, is a good bit wider, and fires torps instead of missiles.

I don't think the Republic even really used the classic Z-95 outside a few one off cases with a Jedi using on the spur of the moment. Their navy didn't and instead just used the Clone variant.

What we know so far is that the CIS are getting the Sith Infiltrator and Droid Starfighter (based off the promo art for 2.0) and the Republic is getting the Delta 7 Jedi Starfighter.

Well it will be just like the YT-1300 and the 3 different models for that. I don't see anything wrong using a HOTR Falcon as a Rebel YT-1300 anymore than a Most Wanted Y-wing in a Rebels list (same for the clone wars Y-wing). The conversion kit will just give options for that faction in Extended format. No doubt there will be a Clone Wars Z-95 release as much as there will be a 2.0 Rebels Z-95 release. But I can see the models being interchangeable as long as the base tiles and card and dials match the appropriate faction.

Speaking of which, this is becoming a topic of its own. Maybe I should make a new thread.

9 minutes ago, CaptainIxidor said:

There's actually two Resistance transports that could fit in, though one of them is from a theme park and that sadly makes it less likely. I don't think the Fireball even counts, honestly. If we get Kaz in Resistance, I think he'll just be in the T-85. They could technically get a handful of ships hat exist in other factions: RZ1 A-Wing, BTL-S3 Y-Wing, Eta-2 Actis, ARC-170, Clone Z95, HH-87 Starhopper (I'll admit these are all a bit of a stretch). There was also some one-off ships outside of those but I don't believe all of them have canon names.

I know about the other Resistance Transport, I'm the one who first revealed it in these forums. It is so much better looking than the Resistance transport we see in the films but it might not show up unless it is used elsewhere. I'll go ahead and throw an image of the ship below for those who don't know it. If they were to of added those other older ships I think they would have been in the Resistance conversion kit. The Fireball is an easy tie into the new show and can already be slotted out with 4 pilots and be treated similar to how the Phantom has been for the Rebels.

7 minutes ago, Marinealver said:

Well it will be just like the YT-1300 and the 3 different models for that. I don't see anything wrong using a HOTR Falcon as a Rebel YT-1300 anymore than a Most Wanted Y-wing in a Rebels list (same for the clone wars Y-wing). The conversion kit will jsut give options for that faction in Extended format. No doubt there will be a Clone Wars Z-95 release as much as there will be a 2.0 Rebels Z-95 release. But I can see the models being interchangeable as long as the base tiles and card and dials match the appropriate faction.

I mean the Clone Z-95 is similar in size to the ARC-170. ARCs being 13 meters long and 20 meters wide while the Clone Z-95 is 17 meters long and 18 meters wide. I highly suspect it will end up on a medium base.