Fighting 2 Ship!

By geek19, in Star Wars: Armada

13 hours ago, Cleto0 said:

Very true. What does this look like do you think?

Assault: Opening Salvo
Defense: Fire Lanes
Navigation: Sensor Net

GR-75 Medium Transports (18)
• Slicer Tools (7)
• Quantum Storm (1)
= 26 Points

GR-75 Medium Transports (18)
= 18 Points

Hammerhead Torpedo Corvette (36)
• External Racks (3)
• Task Force Organa (1)
= 40 Points

Hammerhead Torpedo Corvette (36)
• External Racks (3)
• Task Force Organa (1)
= 40 Points

Hammerhead Torpedo Corvette (36)
• External Racks (3)
• Task Force Organa (1)
= 40 Points

MC75 Ordnance Cruiser (100)
• Commander Sato (32)
• Bail Organa (7)
• Ordnance Experts (4)
• Electronic Countermeasures (7)
• External Racks (3)
• Assault Proton Torpedoes (5)
• Aspiration (3)
= 161 Points

Squadrons:
• Shara Bey (17)
• Tycho Celchu (16)
• 2 x VCX-100 Freighter (30)
= 63 Points

Total Points: 388

Do you really think that Sato will do anything usefull with these 4 squadrons against a 2 ship list? Especially when you need the two VCX for token shuffle?

I really don't think so. `These squadrons will die way to fast, and after this there is a Sato with no effect. The Hammerheads might not even be able to do anything, other than catching fire. And my dips, when it comes to ISD vs. MC75, are on the Star Destroyer. A Hammerhead, against these two ship squadrons, will die. One each round. Jendon, Stele + Morna are doing easy 6-7 damage. These last two or three are not this hard (for the remaining squadrons).

From my observations (i have not played with rebels against two ships so far) i would say the best answers are Rieekan and Raddus on the Rebel side.
Rieekan because you can place a blocker somewhere, to prevent his double attack. Just sacrifice a transport. Or, in worst case, to fire back if you lose a ship on the double.
Raddus because you can negate his last/first really well. Just dropping the ship after Pryce or in the turn with Pryce. He has only one attack and not two this way. You just have to deal with the squadrons.
Both could work with or without squadrons. With squadrons it is just a bit easier.

30 minutes ago, Tokra said:

Do you really think that Sato will do anything usefull with these 4 squadrons against a 2 ship list? Especially when you need the two VCX for token shuffle?

I really don't think so. `These squadrons will die way to fast, and after this there is a Sato with no effect. The Hammerheads might not even be able to do anything, other than catching fire. And my dips, when it comes to ISD vs. MC75, are on the Star Destroyer. A Hammerhead, against these two ship squadrons, will die. One each round. Jendon, Stele + Morna are doing easy 6-7 damage. These last two or three are not this hard (for the remaining squadrons).

From my observations (i have not played with rebels against two ships so far) i would say the best answers are Rieekan and Raddus on the Rebel side.
Rieekan because you can place a blocker somewhere, to prevent his double attack. Just sacrifice a transport. Or, in worst case, to fire back if you lose a ship on the double.
Raddus because you can negate his last/first really well. Just dropping the ship after Pryce or in the turn with Pryce. He has only one attack and not two this way. You just have to deal with the squadrons.
Both could work with or without squadrons. With squadrons it is just a bit easier.

My list isn’t for fighting 2 ship. As I said, this list would be my bail list. This conversation has been off topic for quite sometime

8 minutes ago, Cleto0 said:

My list isn’t for fighting 2 ship. As I said, this list would be my bail list. This conversation has been off topic for quite sometime

Off topic? On a forum? Cannot be 😁.

For fun or test lists it might be ok. The problem is for tournament fleets. You have to calculate for 2 ship lists. And you need an answer for it. And this is one of the problems, why we see so many similar lists (big 4 admirals on Rebel side). The others do work, but not so well against all kinds of lists.

Pryce two ship is such a "bad" list that is not unbeatable, but killed some cards/combinations/fleets, just because they cannot work so well against this list.
Imo it is not even the two ships or Thrawn, it is just Pryce. Who bent some of the basic rules of the game to to a point where it was able to abuse it.

10 minutes ago, Tokra said:

Off topic? On a forum? Cannot be 😁.

For fun or test lists it might be ok. The problem is for tournament fleets. You have to calculate for 2 ship lists. And you need an answer for it. And this is one of the problems, why we see so many similar lists (big 4 admirals on Rebel side). The others do work, but not so well against all kinds of lists.

Two ship would not exist as my bail list would only be good if using the first/last can't use the same ship that we were talking about. I wanted 6 activations because I feel pryce would be used less if this rule was put in place. 6 activations would let me go last with my bail ship, and Bail would let me activate his ship, giving me a last/first. In the current meta no, it would not be a good list.

28 minutes ago, Cleto0 said:

My list isn’t for fighting 2 ship. As I said, this list would be my bail list. This conversation has been off topic for quite sometime

It's a very bad Sato list.

It lacks the ability to project Sato's ability at range, and it lacks the means too meaningfully stay in the squadron fight.

Get rid of Sato and it's a better list. Not good, but better.

1 minute ago, Cleto0 said:

Two ship would not exist as my bail list would only be good if using the first/last can't use the same ship that we were talking about. I wanted 6 activations because I feel pryce would be used less if this rule was put in place. 6 activations would let me go last with my bail ship, and Bail would let me activate his ship, giving me a last/first. In the current meta no, it would not be a good list.

Ohh, you were this far offtopic already 😀.

I have to admit, i did not read all from begin :rolleyes:.

1 hour ago, Tokra said:

Ohh, you were this far offtopic already 😀.

 I have to admit, i did not read all from begin :rolleyes:.

Come to think of it, I helped derail this thread... sorry 🤗