since the T-85 doesn't have any more cannons, keep the red dice as 3, I'd say from what we've seen it do, give it 3 green dice as well, thing has 8 engines, and maneuvers like a pro with no stress, probably a white barrel roll and boost in the action bar.

Hu is probably the greatest question, it's an X-wing, and doesn't seem to have uber shielding so I'd keep the shield value at 3, maybe 4, the question comes from whether it would keep the X's traditional 4 hull, or bum it up to 5, I don't want a 9 health X-wing, so either stay with 4 and give it 4 shields or go to 5 and give it 3 shields.

there is reason to hope and believe we may well get this soon, upgrades in heralds of hope pack say "Resistance X-wing" and not T-70, so a T-85 with possibly Poe, Kaz, Iolo, Hugh sion, and some generic may well be on the way.

I'm going to keep putting forward my idea:

• Cross S-Foils with Adaptive Ailerons, and a ship ability that requires you equip it.
  • On one side, you must do a pre-dial (or system phase) 1-Straight or Bank (standard Ailerons move) every round unless stressed, and you gain access to a Barrel Roll action with a link to Focus.
  • On the other side, you must do a pre-dial (or system phase) 1-Straight Sideslip (they defined this term, so now there's a maneuver-way of doing essentially a barrel roll) every round unless stressed, and you gain access to the Boost action with a link to Focus.
  • You can flip sides at the end of your activation, so it isn't a surprise for the opponent.
• 3/3/3/3 statline (maybe 3/3/3/2 if needed for balance)
• Focus, Lock, red Evade as the actions (red Evade allows an easy way to shut off the Ailerons)
• Dial kinda like a Starviper (lots of white, no hard 3s, but hard 1s)
• Upgrades as Astromech, Tech, Torpedo. Maybe no Mod slot, but could go either way.

Being both wider by over a meter and longer by over 6 meters than the TIE/rb Brute, it will likely be medium base. Extra hull makes sense as the ship physically has more hull, so a 3/2/5/3 sounds fine. Give it 1 to 3 banks and straights that are blue, while retaining the same turns, tallons, and koiagrans. The nature of a medium base will make it faster. Focus, Lock, Barrel Roll, and Boost with an S-Foil config that allows focus into boost closed and focus into boost open.

Basically, it has the best of both the T-65 and the T-70 and is hardier and faster. In exchange it needs to cost quite a bit. IG's are medium bases with a 3/3/5/3 stat-line with a similar dial, all at I4, but no linked actions, at 62 point minimum. With the linked actions from the config that has no primary reduction like the other foils, it would need to at least be in that range pricewise for I4.

Kaz would need a different ability, as with 3 shields, it would be awhile before he would take damage cards, and rolling a 4 die primary would be too much. Overdrive Thrusters would make this ship ridiculously maneuverable though.

Been thinking about this lately and I'd go with

3/2/4/3 .... focus, target lock, barrel roll, boost.

T-70 dial but Talon rolls are white, 2-hards are blue. Gains 1-hard red.

Same slots as T-70, but only has torpedoes but gains a sensor slot.

S-foils open, no change.

S-foils closed - Lose 1 attack dice. Gain 1 agility dice. Gain 1 attack dice if defender is in the bullseye. Gain focus>Red BR, focus>Red boost, Focus>Red evade.

13 minutes ago, 5050Saint said:

Overdrive Thrusters would make this ship ridiculously maneuverable though.

Overdrive Thrusters are T-70 specific.

On 11/11/2018 at 5:33 PM, Stealthcmc1974 said:

@Captain Lackwit 's paintjob for the T-85. I know it says Red-3 in English but honestly I'm so happy with how the rest of the job turned out I don't even care. (Paint job thanks to Model Magician on Etsy).

That is one sweet looking ship - cant wait until they come officially to the game.

I don't really find the medium base arguments convincing. Closest ship in size to this is the TIE Striker. T-85 is about 2 meters wider, Striker is about 2 meters longer. The bounding box volume for the two of them is nearly the same (about 580).

What makes the TIE Brute medium base isn't the length or the width, but the height . That sucker's bounding box is like 1200, compared to 300 from a basic TIE. It's at least 50% bigger than a classic TIE in every dimension (and twice as wide). Heck, the TIE Striker is nearly twice the length of the Brute.

More importantly, the profile of the Brute is just really big. Those giant wing panels, the thickness of the ball, it's a big chonky profile. While thicker than other X-Wings, by most ship comparisons, it's not really that bulky. The wings are still thin, and it's a pretty needle-shaped body. Side-by-side with the T-70 it looks large, but the T-65 rests between them, not quite half-way, but still.

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The other thing: base size also impacts greatly how something flies. Is a T-85 supposed to fly like a U-Wing? Or is it supposed to be a nimble and fast? I mean, I think a Medium base TIE Silencer complete with Autothrusters would have been really interesting in a theoretical sense, but I'm skeptical it'd be any good... too many places it just wouldn't fit on board.

34 minutes ago, theBitterFig said:

I don't really find the medium base arguments convincing. Closest ship in size to this is the TIE Striker. T-85 is about 2 meters wider, Striker is about 2 meters longer. The bounding box volume for the two of them is nearly the same (about 580).

What makes the TIE Brute medium base isn't the length or the width, but the height . That sucker's bounding box is like 1200, compared to 300 from a basic TIE. It's at least 50% bigger than a classic TIE in every dimension (and twice as wide). Heck, the TIE Striker is nearly twice the length of the Brute.

More importantly, the profile of the Brute is just really big. Those giant wing panels, the thickness of the ball, it's a big chonky profile. While thicker than other X-Wings, by most ship comparisons, it's not really that bulky. The wings are still thin, and it's a pretty needle-shaped body. Side-by-side with the T-70 it looks large, but the T-65 rests between them, not quite half-way, but still.

//

The other thing: base size also impacts greatly how something flies. Is a T-85 supposed to fly like a U-Wing? Or is it supposed to be a nimble and fast? I mean, I think a Medium base TIE Silencer complete with Autothrusters would have been really interesting in a theoretical sense, but I'm skeptical it'd be any good... too many places it just wouldn't fit on board.

This. ^

2 hours ago, theBitterFig said:

The other thing: base size also impacts greatly how something flies. Is a T-85 supposed to fly like a U-Wing? Or is it supposed to be a nimble and fast? I mean, I think a Medium base TIE Silencer complete with Autothrusters would have been really interesting in a theoretical sense, but I'm skeptical it'd be any good... too many places it just wouldn't fit on board.

I really think, based on what we know, it belongs somewhere between:

IG-2000 (Cannons, 3 agility, super-attack, boosty, beefy, native evade)

TIE Defender (Hi-tech, lotta health, one weird trick, strangely maneuverable but also strangely not)

ARC-170 (Chonk Monster, Beefy Boi)

T-70 X-Wing (Techy X-Wing with foils and mobility)