Vessery’s ability states: “...after you roll attack dice, you may aquire a lock on the defender.”

So V engages a target that is locked by a buddy. Rolls attack dice (3 blanks). You decide a lock would be handy right now so you acquire one and spend to reroll the dice.

The target still has the lock from your V’s buddy, so do you now get to aquire a lock.

Basically, it comes down to a core mechanic. Either a “reroll” is considered a subset of “roll” in the sense that and any rules about when a play may “roll” dice apply to rerolling dice. Or “reroll” is considered distinct and anything rule that applies to both a roll and a reroll would have to be stated specifically.

I have not been able to determine which is the case.

A Reroll is a type of dice modification not a Roll.

Pg 9 of the rules reference.

Rerolling is not the same thing as rolling. Vessery does not immediately re-acquire a lock after spending one to reroll.

can you really spend the target lock immediately like that?

1 hour ago, Gloria Invictus said:

can you really spend the target lock immediately like that?

yup. why not? you have a lock beforde modifying your dice.

9 hours ago, Gloria Invictus said:

can you really spend the target lock immediately like that?

Yes. It's a free attack mod on a ship that already gets a free defense mod, which is why I4 Vessery is currently more expensive than I5 Rexler Brath.

And that folks is why I could never play in a tourney....;-(

23 hours ago, Gloria Invictus said:

can you really spend the target lock immediately like that?

It's literally the whole point of his ability.

16 hours ago, Gloria Invictus said:

And that folks is why I could never play in a tourney....;-(

Why not !?

5 hours ago, muribundi said:

Why not !?

Because I just don't seem to be able to see the full implications of some of these abilities. This case is a perfect example. I see the ability and think - awesome he gets a target lock for future use small advantage but usable. NO! he gets a target lock for immediate use - far more brutal. - I would get eaten alive by the rest of you

Ok, it felt way more like: I disagree with these interpretation, so I'm better no playing in tournament !

By the way, we get better by playing against good people (But it is also ok that not everyone like tournament)

2 hours ago, Gloria Invictus said:

Because I just don't seem to be able to see the full implications of some of these abilities. This case is a perfect example. I see the ability and think - awesome he gets a target lock for future use small advantage but usable. NO! he gets a target lock for immediate use - far more brutal. - I would get eaten alive by the rest of you

You would be fine, everyone misses something sometimes.

2 hours ago, Gloria Invictus said:

would get eaten alive by the rest of you

I agree with Icelom. Maybe the first few times but you learn a ton and grow as a player much faster. just keep it light hearted and fun. it's a blast.

ya, loosing tournament games is a great way to learn and get good. just play and loose, do your best and have fun!

eventually, you will be able to play and win - and have even more fun.

On 10/17/2018 at 6:03 AM, AramoroA said:

A Reroll is a type of dice modification not a Roll.

Pg 9 of the rules reference.

It is listed as a dice mod....and also indicates that you “roll” dice again. As such, I think that V’s ability would kick in.

I believe this is why he aquires a lock rather than doing the lock action.

FFG, Can this get me in an FAQ?

14 minutes ago, Pewpewpew BOOM said:

It is listed as a dice mod....and also indicates that you “roll” dice again. As such, I think that V’s ability would kick in.

I believe this is why he aquires a lock rather than doing the lock action.

FFG, Can this get me in an FAQ?

It doesn't need one. Rerolling is not rolling.

1 hour ago, Pewpewpew BOOM said:

It is listed as a dice mod....and also indicates that you “roll” dice again. As such, I think that V’s ability would kick in.

I believe this is why he aquires a lock rather than doing the lock action.

FFG, Can this get me in an FAQ?

the text is clear, the way he works is clear.

" While you perform an attack against a locked ship, after you roll attack dice, you may acquire a lock on the defender."

while technically, rerolling is rolling, rerolling is not rolling in game terms. it's rolling again - and that's not the same thing.

on page five of the rules reference, under "attack", step 2b, the step of rolling attack dice is described. vesserys ability triggers imediately after that.

i will say that a clause in the rules reference, maybe even in the golden rules, saying rerolling is not rolling, might be good.