40 minutes ago, Hiemfire said:

Tractor tire + some white spray primer. Softball or basketball on a stick for the control module. You'd have a good start there, for much cheaper than it would cost to print and ship an official scale model in 1/270.

Unless my math is off, a 1/270 Lucrehulk would be a little over 11 meters across, so tire + basketball, probably not big enough.

3 minutes ago, CaptainIxidor said:

If it did have ion cannons than it's strange they were never really seen being used as ion cannons. I think whoever stated they had these was disconnected from the actual stories a bit, or something. 3 attack without cannon slot feels much more correct for how we've actually seen it used.

The guns on outer section of the wings are Ion Cannons, its laser cannons are mounted on the inner edge of the wings (a good position for them in my opinion, better instinctive aiming).

Both Canon and Legends wiki pages list them:

Legends: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Eta-2_Actis-class_interceptor

Canon: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Eta-2_Actis-class_light_interceptor

Just now, MasterShake2 said:

Unless my math is off, a 1/270 Lucrehulk would be a little over 11 meters across, so tire + basketball, probably not big enough.

Would have to be from a very big tractor then and one of those comically huge beach balls.

43 minutes ago, Rakaydos said:

The Clone Z should have a Gunner slot, with a clone gunner being a TL equivilant of Scum Han.

Why would the Clone Z have a Gunner slot? I'm pretty sure they were single piloted fighters.

41 minutes ago, Cgriffith said:

I believe the Delta-7 and ETA-2 will have the same stat line (3/3/4/2) there’s no way it only has a 2 attack primary. Force pilots will only get the Force upgrade slot, while if applicable others may or may not get a talent slot.

I see the Force User led ships having

1 mod slot

1 torpedo slot

1 astromech

then either a Force/Talent slot.

To balance things a bit I can see them both not having any non-unique pilots. The Delta-7 (Anakin, Obi-Wan, Saanse Tin, and Plo Kloon.) Eta-2 (Yoda, Anakin, Obi-Wan, maybe Mace) I also believe they’ll be at a minimum of 55 points depending on the pilots, Force upgrades and final stat line.

The ETA-2 should definitely have a different stat line, it had no shields at all. Besides both ships were very light weight with little in them to make them as fast an maneuverable as possible which makes sense as they are both interceptors, they were pretty similar to Fang Fighters to an extent so I can't really see them being as tanky as an X-Wing. As far as the Delta 7 goes for its attack it could be 2 or 3, the standard variant only had 2 laser canons while the 7B variant did have 4 but they won't get the Torpedo slot, at most the ETA-2 will get a Missile slot though it only had its launcher in legends.

As far as pilots, my wish list would be, assuming due to no generics 6 named pilots in general and an additional 4 for the Delta 7 due to a likely new core set based off the Anakin paint job for the Delta 7:

Delta 7:

Anakin Skywalker - We know he will fly one as they showed off the craft with his paint job.

Obi-Wan Kenobi - He is the first pilot to be seen flying it in the films.

Ahsoka Tano - She flies one at the Battle of Ryloth in a notable sequence leading a squad of V-19s.

Plo Koon - He flies one and dies in it in ROTS.

Mace Windu - He flies one in Clone Wars, with the ship even used as a plot point.

Adi Gallia - She flies one in Clone Wars, and was the protagonist of Jedi Starfighter testing fly the craft.

Kit Fisto - He flies one in Clone Wars.

Barriss Offee - She just flew it in a flash back in the show but would work as a lower Int pilot.

Luminara Unduli - She didn't fly one in the show but she was normally near her apprentice who did.

Jocasta Nu - Ties into the Vader comics and would again work as a lower Int pilot likely.

ETA-2:

Anakin Skywalker - Beginning of ROTS is the most iconic use of the ship.

Obi-Wan Kenobi - Ditto to the above.

Yoda - He flies one in Battlefront 2 (EA) and it seems like FFG wants to thank them for using the Raider so would make sense.

Ahsoka Tano - Pushing it a little since she only flew it once but is also the only other canon pilot to fly it.

Saesee Tiin - He flew a 7B in canon but is renowned for his skill at piloting...plus he flew one in legends.

Aayla Secura - She flew one in Legends

12 minutes ago, Cgriffith said:

Then I believe they’ll come in around 45-55 points, but I believe fluff will supersede canon. They’ll get shields.

Well Ties (for the most part), and Fang Fighters lack shields and they didn't get them for X-Wing. I think playing the Republic will be a case of going with Tanky Rebel like Clones or going with Imperial like light glass cannon/fragile speedsters for the Jedi.

10 minutes ago, CaptainIxidor said:

If it did have ion cannons than it's strange they were never really seen being used as ion cannons. I think whoever stated they had these was disconnected from the actual stories a bit, or something. 3 attack without cannon slot feels much more correct for how we've actually seen it used.

As Hiemfire mentioned the outer guns on the wings are their ion cannons and they are still listed as having them. But based off the clip from the film (4:34) it looks like to me that Anakin switched his out for HLC.

5 minutes ago, Animewarsdude said:

Why would the Clone Z have a Gunner slot? I'm pretty sure they were single piloted fighters.

Huh, I coulda swore that the Clone Z was a 2 seater, but apparently not.

I still stand by the Clone Gunner being a red TL. Especially combined with R3 on the ARC, or for torpedoboat Ywings.

Edit: Yea, I think that's a faction identity for the Republic- Stacked dice mods. Jedi fighters with native green die rerolls as ship abilities, clone ships getting TL/Focus, ect.

1 minute ago, Rakaydos said:

Huh, I coulda swore that the Clone Z was a 2 seater, but apparently not.

I still stand by the Clone Gunner being a red TL. Especially combined with R3 on the ARC, or for torpedoboat Ywings.

I now can't help but think of some list where Clones help each other out.

Clone A: "You got one on your tail Bro!"

Clone B: "Oh no Bro, help!"

Clone A: "If only we had a target lock!"

Clone A Co-Pilot: "I got ya Bro!"

Clone A: "Firing Torpedo Bro!"

Clone B: "Great shot, you got him Bro!"

Rinse and repeat until you frustrate your opponent enough to give them a stress token.

27 minutes ago, Hiemfire said:

The guns on outer section of the wings are Ion Cannons, its laser cannons are mounted on the inner edge of the wings (a good position for them in my opinion, better instinctive aiming).

Both Canon and Legends wiki pages list them:

Legends: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Eta-2_Actis-class_interceptor

Canon: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Eta-2_Actis-class_light_interceptor

I'm not debating that this is not the established spec. Both canon sources feel a little sketchy to me. I know stuff released after a certain date is considered canon but some of it feels questionable.

What I'm really saying is that I think we'd be hard pressed to find them using the ion cannons in the "disable electronics" function anywhere in a canon story. Maybe that's the actual spec, but maybe pretty much every Jedi got rid of them.

2 minutes ago, CaptainIxidor said:

maybe pretty much every Jedi got rid of them.

Some adherents to the Code they are then... Remove the ability to disable and capture to instead focus on being able to kill better... Especially when Ion Cannons are brutal to droids and less dangerous to organincs...

So, fun idea for the LAAT, since it has those ball gunners, but they were exposed positions, some kind of mechanic where when you suffer a damage card, you either have to lose a crew member, or lose an arc. Basically to reflect either having the gunner be replaced by a crew, or the turret being shot off.

Then have some form of clone trooper crew that provides some minor benefit, but in reality is mostly a few points to allow you to keep firing our guns.

This would create two classes of gunship, one with cheap crew meant to get into the fray and stay there by espousing a ‘next man in line’ approach, and VIP shuttles where a Jedi or two are on board, but aren’t going to man the guns, existing to provide their leadership. If a gun goes pop, well, it went pop.

37 minutes ago, Rakaydos said:

Edit: Yea, I think that's a faction identity for the Republic- Stacked dice mods. Jedi fighters with native green die rerolls as ship abilities, clone ships getting TL/Focus, ect.

That (3 Delta-7B likely) and Jedi Ace+Clone Miniswarm or Clone Medium/Heavy swarm seem like probable archetypes.

38 minutes ago, Animewarsdude said:

Besides both ships were very light weight with little in them to make them as fast an maneuverable as possible which makes sense as they are both interceptors, they were pretty similar to Fang Fighters to an extent so I can't really see them being as tanky as an X-Wing. As far as the Delta 7 goes for attack it could be 2 or 3,its attack the standard variant only had 2 laser canons while the 7B variant did have 4 but they won't get the Torpedo slot, at most the ETA-2 will get a Missile slot though it only had its launcher in legends.

As far as pilots, my wish list would be, assuming due to no generics 6 named pilots in general and an additional 4 for the Delta 7 due to a likely new core set based off the Anakin paint job for the Delta 7:

Delta 7:

Anakin Skywalker - We know he will fly one as they showed off the craft with his paint job.

Obi-Wan Kenobi - He is the first pilot to be seen flying it in the films.

Ahsoka Tano - She flies one at the Battle of Ryloth in a notable sequence leading a squad of V-19s.

Plo Koon - He flies one and dies in it in ROTS.

Mace Windu - He flies one in Clone Wars, with the ship even used as a plot point.

Adi Gallia - She flies one in Clone Wars, and was the protagonist of Jedi Starfighter testing fly the craft.

Kit Fisto - He flies one in Clone Wars.

Barriss Offee - She just flew it in a flash back in the show but would work as a lower Int pilot.

Luminara Unduli - She didn't fly one in the show but she was normally near her apprentice who did.

Jocasta Nu - Ties into the Vader comics and would again work as a lower Int pilot likely.

ETA-2:

Anakin Skywalker - Beginning of ROTS is the most iconic use of the ship.

Obi-Wan Kenobi - Ditto to the above.

Yoda - He flies one in Battlefront 2 (EA) and it seems like FFG wants to thank them for using the Raider so would make sense.

Ahsoka Tano - Pushing it a little since she only flew it once but is also the only other canon pilot to fly it.

Saesee Tiin - He flew a 7B in canon but is renowned for his skill at piloting...plus he flew one in legends.

Aayla Secura - She flew one in Legends

Well Ties (for the most part), and Fang Fighters lack shields and they didn't get them for X-Wing. I think playing the Republic will be a case of going with Tanky Rebel like Clones or going with Imperial like light glass cannon/fragile speedsters for the Jedi.

I don't think we get 10 Delta-7 named pilots, I think 3-4 is most likely and has been the standard for the game to this point, if they add generics. Obi-Wan, Ashoka, Anakin and Mace seem like the most likely. Then in the ETA-2 there's no way Yoda isn't in one, then Anakin, Obi-Wan and Saesee Tiin. As to the attack whether it will be 2,3 or 4 for the Delta 7 I could see a cinfiguration card that allows you to add an attack die, at the cost of losing another slot.

Just now, Cgriffith said:

I don't think we get 10 Delta-7 named pilots, I think 3-4 is most likely and has been the standard for the game to this point, if they add generics.

We've been getting 6 pilots (named+generic) per standalone ship expansion so far (not counting preview wave and stuff with more than one ship in the box). They could put 6 named Jedi pilots in the Eta-2 or Delta-7 but I have to agree that we probably won't see ten. At most, we'll get 5 named plus a generic force user, but 4 named + generic seems more likely.

25 minutes ago, Hiemfire said:

Some adherents to the Code they are then... Remove the ability to disable and capture to instead focus on being able to kill better... Especially when Ion Cannons are brutal to droids and less dangerous to organincs...

Enter the Jedi Bomber, for uh 'Aggressive Negotiations'.

5 minutes ago, Cgriffith said:

I don't think we get 10 Delta-7 named pilots, I think 3-4 is most likely and has been the standard for the game to this point, if they add generics. Obi-Wan, Ashoka, Anakin and Mace seem like the most likely. Then in the ETA-2 there's no way Yoda isn't in one, then Anakin, Obi-Wan and Saesee Tiin. As to the attack whether it will be 2,3 or 4 for the Delta 7 I could see a cinfiguration card that allows you to add an attack die, at the cost of losing another slot.

10 Delta 7s assuming that they do the Core Set with the Anakin Jedi Starfighter giving you 4 pilots (Matching the OT core set with 2 Rebel named pilots and 2 generics), and then following the Fang Fighter, X-Wing, and Y-Wing with their 6 pilot options in their expansion pack. That is only if they do all uniques, if not then the number drops down to either 6 or 8 unique and 2 or 1 generics.

2 attack is if they go with the standard Delta 7, which would be in line with the Tie Fighter and the ships later successor the A-Wing, while if they go with the 7B as a base then 3 attack is good and like the X-Wing means it would have 4 attack at range 1.

If they don't do the core set, I think it might just be a little weird to have the Jedi Starfighter being flown being in Anakin's paint scheme when Obi-Wans from ATOC was very much the generic/general paint scheme before the war. It would be like having the X-Wing expansion only having Luke's Red 5 miniature.

11 minutes ago, Animewarsdude said:

Enter the Jedi Bomber, for uh 'Aggressive Negotiations'.

10 Delta 7s assuming that they do the Core Set with the Anakin Jedi Starfighter giving you 4 pilots (Matching the OT core set with 2 Rebel named pilots and 2 generics), and then following the Fang Fighter, X-Wing, and Y-Wing with their 6 pilot options in their expansion pack. That is only if they do all uniques, if not then the number drops down to either 6 or 8 unique and 2 or 1 generics.

2 attack is if they go with the standard Delta 7, which would be in line with the Tie Fighter and the ships later successor the A-Wing, while if they go with the 7B as a base then 3 attack is good and like the X-Wing means it would have 4 attack at range 1.

If they don't do the core set, I think it might just be a little weird to have the Jedi Starfighter being flown being in Anakin's paint scheme when Obi-Wans from ATOC was very much the generic/general paint scheme before the war. It would be like having the X-Wing expansion only having Luke's Red 5 miniature.

That makes more sense, at least.

I do agree that the Delta-7 being the yellow + black scheme is weird. The red + white scheme was by far the more recognizable for this chassis. That to me is the only evidence so far that they might do a prequel core. I really don't expect that as soon as wave 3 (which has been implied for prequels.

It would be cool if this was the first core to have 4 ships instead of 3.

So 2 pages in and nobody has mentioned the Theta-Class T2c Personnel Transport. Very surprised actually. Was a heavily shielded, could have a reinforce action most likely a 3/1/6/2 stat line. It’s slow so the dial probably would look similar to any other shuttle.

The Theta-Class T2c was Palpatine’s hidden fortress with a medical bay and room for himself and 4 Royal Guards. I want to see it with foldable wings.

3 minutes ago, Cgriffith said:

So 2 pages in and nobody has mentioned the Theta-Class T2c Personnel Transport. Very surprised actually. Was a heavily shielded, could have a reinforce action most likely a 3/1/6/2 stat line. It’s slow so the dial probably would look similar to any other shuttle.

The Theta-Class T2c was Palpatine’s hidden fortress with a medical bay and room for himself and 4 Royal Guards. I want to see it with foldable wings.

Bottom of my first post on the first page.

1 minute ago, Cgriffith said:

So 2 pages in and nobody has mentioned the Theta-Clas  s T2c Personnel Transport  . Very surprised actually. Was a heavily shielded, could have a reinforce action most likely a 3/1/6/2 stat line. It’s slow so the dial probably would look similar to any other shuttle.

The Theta-Class T2c was Palpatine’s hidden fortress with a medical bay and room for himself and 4 Royal Guards. I want to see it with foldable wings.

I mentioned it in my posts, in a generic statement about shuttles and worries that their role is heavily covered by the LAAT/i.

On further consideration, I think we should get at least one of the different dedicated shuttles. It could be cheaper and possibly on a smaller base. Sort of the analogue of the HWK-290 as compared to the YT-1300 as a crew-carrying platform. The LAAT/i will likely have 2 crew + 1 gunner, or 3 crew. The various shuttles might have just 1 crew, or 2 at most. And they're better armed than I originally recalled (except for the T-6, which I personally do not want other than it might add more named Jedi crew upgrades).

You mention a sentinel class Shuttle not the Theta-Class T2C class which is a personnel carrier, with a medical bay with specific modifications for Palpatine. They’re not the same ship or shuttle.

@CaptainIxidor and @Animewarsdude so when was Palpatine even in a Sentiel Class Shuttle and not the Theta-Class T2C ? Since you two think he was.

There two completely different shuttles.

Just now, Cgriffith said:

You mention a sentinel class Shuttle not the Theta-Class T2C class which is a personnel carrier, with a medical bay with specific modifications for Palpatine. They’re not the same ship or shuttle.

@CaptainIxidor and @Animewarsdude so when was Palpatine even in a Sentiel Class Shuttle and not the Theta-Class T2C ? Since you two think he was.

I never mentioned a class in my comment. I mentioned all shuttles in a broad statement.

6 minutes ago, CaptainIxidor said:

I never mentioned a class in my comment. I mentioned all shuttles in a broad statement.

Then as I said the Theta Class TC2 was never mentioned. (I.e. Palpatine’s secret shuttle). The shuttle that which picked up a burnt and limbless Darth Vader after his defeat at the hands of Obi-Wan Kenobi off Mustafar.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Theta-class_T-2c_shuttle

1 minute ago, Cgriffith said:

Then as I said the Theta Class TC2 was never mentioned. (I.e. Palpatine’s secret shuttle)

Animewarsdude did mention it, though, exactly where they said they did. They mostly dismissed it , as it's "mostly just Palpatine's shuttle." And yeah, it mostly was just that. They'd have to add more content somehow.

If we do have Palpatine for the GR, this would be the right place to release him, though.

3 minutes ago, CaptainIxidor said:

Animewarsdude did mention it, though, exactly where they said they did. They mostly dismissed it , as it's "mostly just Palpatine's shuttle." And yeah, it mostly was just that. They'd have to add more content somehow.

If we do have Palpatine for the GR, this would be the right place to release him, though.

I’ve reread the thread three times no where is the Theta Class TC-2 mentioned until I address it myself. The most iconic characters, iconic form occurred on this ship and was not mentioned. Shuttle doesn’t count. Theta Class TC-2 does. That it wasn’t mentioned in proper form is a gross oversight. Vader literally went from human form to iconic cyborg on that ship.

21 minutes ago, Cgriffith said:

You mention a sentinel class Shuttle not the Theta-Class T2C class which is a personnel carrier, with a medical bay with specific modifications for Palpatine. They’re not the same ship or shuttle.

@CaptainIxidor and @Animewarsdude so when was Palpatine even in a Sentiel Class Shuttle and not the Theta-Class T2C ? Since you two think he was.

There two completely different shuttles.

Dude, you might want to slow down and take your time. I quoted from my first post, below. Also, in no way is a Sentinel a Theta class, how did you even get that from my posts?

4 hours ago, Animewarsdude said:

I think we'd still see the other shuttles, because what other Large ships are there for them to use aside from the Twilight? The Nu shuttle could link well into Clone style play with it being flown by clones, while the Eta or T-6 shuttle could be a vehicle to add more Jedi crew and Jedi pilots, and we might see the Theta shuttle, but might not since it was mostly just Palpatine's shuttle.

Literally, right there from the first page and my first post.

2 minutes ago, Cgriffith said:

I’ve reread the thread three times no where is the Theta Class TC-2 mentioned until I address it myself. The most iconic characters, iconic form occurred on this ship and was not mentioned. Shuttle doesn’t count. Theta Class TC-2 does. That it wasn’t mentioned in proper form is a gross oversight. Vader literally went from human form to iconic cyborg on that ship.

4 hours ago, Animewarsdude said:

I think we'd still see the other shuttles, because what other Large ships are there for them to use aside from the Twilight? The Nu shuttle could link well into Clone style play with it being flown by clones, while the Eta or T-6 shuttle could be a vehicle to add more Jedi crew and Jedi pilots, and we might see the Theta shuttle, but might not since it was mostly just Palpatine's shuttle.

27 minutes ago, Cgriffith said:

The most iconic characters, iconic form occurred on this ship and was not mentioned. Vader literally went from human form to iconic cyborg on that ship.

Thinking it over some more, this does make it a good inclusion for the game... but should it be for the GR at that point? Darth Vader should not be in a GR pack. I guess it could have an Anakin crew that allows dark side upgrades or something, kind of like Maul. A Senator Palpatine crew isn't necessarily a must-have but this would be the right place to put it.

I did originally dismiss all of the shuttles as too close to the role of the LAAT/i in game but that was a mistake. The Eta-class as a clone platform is a good fit. The Nu-class was also used by Palpatine (as Sidious, when traveling to Mandalore) but the Theta is probably the most recognizable in general.