15 minutes ago, Tvboy said:I wonder if Republic is actually going to be synergy based though. I don't see why they would, I feel like the Republic hews closer to the Empire than the Rebellion in terms of faction identity, maintaining the focus on shields and survivability while maintaining a structured formalized military doctrine, with ace heroes (mostly Jedi) scattered about here and there.
I could be wrong but I think the devs said the Clones would synergize with each other as brothers.
I need to see a LAAT with Rex, Fives and Echo.
29 minutes ago, Tvboy said:I wonder if Republic is actually going to be synergy based though. I don't see why they would, I feel like the Republic hews closer to the Empire than the Rebellion in terms of faction identity, maintaining the focus on shields and survivability while maintaining a structured formalized military doctrine, with ace heroes (mostly Jedi) scattered about here and there.
They might make sense as partially synergistic (clones) while their aces have more isolated and self-contained abilities (Jedi). I could see the argument that the first part of that formula is closer to the Imperial faction style. Either way, I feel like the differences between how clones and Jedi operate will imply a faction identity that could be seen as a mixture of two other faction's identities.
49 minutes ago, Animewarsdude said:The fact that FFG said we'd get more information on the two factions in November I think is the reason we are expecting them for Wave 3.
Alex Davy mentioned wave 3 in an interview, but with a bit of a stretch one could interpret his words as talking about something else.
I also read a confirmation from a different (reliable) source that it's indeed wave 3.
Are you guys really forgetting the Nu and Eta class shuttles?
So let's really go over the list of strictly republic stuff.
Small Base
Delta-7
V-Wing
Eta-2
Z-95 (CW)
N1
Y-Wing
V-19
Medium base
ARC-170
LAAT/I
Y-Wing (TENTATIVELY)
H-Type Yacht
Large Base
Twilight
Nu Shuttle
Eta Shuttle
T-6
J-Type 327 Yacht
Small Epic
J-Type Diplomatic Barge
5 minutes ago, Captain Lackwit said:Y-Wing (TENTATIVELY)
I can see this working, but what's your reasoning? I'm interested to see, because I hadn't considered this at all.
3 minutes ago, Npmartian said:I can see this working, but what's your reasoning? I'm interested to see, because I hadn't considered this at all.
I'm curious too since the BTL-B (Republic version) is the same size as the Rebel/Scum version according to the wiki. It is bulkier due to the added armor, but the dimensions are the same otherwise.
There is apparently some references to it having extended engine cowlings, making it longer that the stripped down ones in ANH. I think that’s where he’s coming from.
1 minute ago, Forgottenlore said:There is apparently some references to it having extended engine cowlings, making it longer that the stripped down ones in ANH. I think that’s where he’s coming from.
And yet looking at the images they just seem to have arched panels over the huge gaps that are on the engines of the BTL-A4...
3 minutes ago, Hiemfire said:And yet looking at the images they just seem to have arched panels over the huge gaps that are on the engines of the BTL-A4...
Yeah, I agree.
I did just look them both up on wookieepedia though, and it does list a length difference. 16 meters for the ones from ANH and 23 something for the republic ones.
Just now, Forgottenlore said:Yeah, I agree.
I did just look them both up on wookieepedia though, and it does list a length difference. 16 meters for the ones from ANH and 23 something for the republic ones.
Strange since I checked before I posted via my phone and it listed 23.3 for both... I wonder...
24 minutes ago, Npmartian said:I can see this working, but what's your reasoning? I'm interested to see, because I hadn't considered this at all.
1 minute ago, Forgottenlore said:Yeah, I agree.
I did just look them both up on wookieepedia though, and it does list a length difference. 16 meters for the ones from ANH and 23 something for the republic ones.
It IS FAR far far far larger, than the Rebel Y-Wing. Also definitely slower, not as agile. But much more heavily armored. The Rebellion stripped them down considerably.
I think it could work as a proper Bomber, too. It'd have more bomb/torpedo slots, because they were used as The Republic's dedicated strike bombers, but The Rebels weren't fighting a war of attrition or one where they could afford losses, so to mitigate them they made Y-Wings as agile and lightweight as they could- sacrificing armor for speed. It honestly perplexes me that the Y-Wing is 1 agility in XWMG.
What's more the Republic Y-Wing has far larger guns too. I'm betting it's got better firepower.
1 hour ago, Captain Lackwit said:Are you guys really forgetting the Nu and Eta class shuttles?
So let's really go over the list of strictly republic stuff.
Small Base
Delta-7
V-Wing
Eta-2
Z-95 (CW)
N1
Y-Wing
V-19
Medium base
ARC-170
LAAT/I
Y-Wing (TENTATIVELY)
H-Type Yacht
Large Base
Twilight
Nu Shuttle
Eta Shuttle
T-6
J-Type 327 Yacht
Small Epic
J-Type Diplomatic Barge
I mentioned both the Nu- and Eta-class shuttles in my OP, though I did get some details wrong on one of them. Both of them should be medium, though. The LAAT is actually arguably a large-base rather than medium, it's actually larger than a Lambda, as well as bigger than both of the aforementioned shuttles. I'm still not convinced we will see any of the Naboo diplomatic ships but the H-type is longer than a decimator, not medium. The J-type 327 is well past that range, probably also an epic ship if anything. Unless they really cut the scale down on those, plus make them combatants somehow.
31 minutes ago, Hiemfire said:Strange since I checked before I posted via my phone and it listed 23.3 for both... I wonder...
The canon article for the BTL-A4 lists both sizes but the smaller one for "with engines stripped."
19 minutes ago, Captain Lackwit said:
It IS FAR far far far larger, than the Rebel Y-Wing. Also definitely slower, not as agile. But much more heavily armored. The Rebellion stripped them down considerably.
I think it could work as a proper Bomber, too. It'd have more bomb/torpedo slots, because they were used as The Republic's dedicated strike bombers, but The Rebels weren't fighting a war of attrition or one where they could afford losses, so to mitigate them they made Y-Wings as agile and lightweight as they could- sacrificing armor for speed. It honestly perplexes me that the Y-Wing is 1 agility in XWMG.What's more the Republic Y-Wing has far larger guns too. I'm betting it's got better firepower.
It does not look that much larger in considerable length or width, it just looks huskier. The engine nacelles having the paneling are definitely longer but I really don't think it's enough to matter.
I'm about 95% certain that it will still be a small base ship but the model will be a little bulkier and have the appropriate cockpit, bubble turret, and paneling.
Well, I just loaded those 2 pictures into photoshop and played around with them a bit. Bizarrely, when I scale them so that the droid and cockpit are the same size, the REBEL version is just a little bit longer.
I think the obvious one is the Clone Gunship, that is a large base likely turret ship, I expect similar to VT-49 Decimator.
If you run out of Clone War Material you can always go for KOTOR. I think the Ebon Hawk would make a great addition.
57 minutes ago, Forgottenlore said:Well, I just loaded those 2 pictures into photoshop and played around with them a bit. Bizarrely, when I scale them so that the droid and cockpit are the same size, the REBEL version is just a little bit longer.
That can't possibly be accurate...
1 hour ago, CaptainIxidor said:I mentioned both the Nu- and Eta-class shuttles in my OP, though I did get some details wrong on one of them. Both of them should be medium, though. The LAAT is actually arguably a large-base rather than medium, it's actually larger than a Lambda, as well as bigger than both of the aforementioned shuttles. I'm still not convinced we will see any of the Naboo diplomatic ships but the H-type is longer than a decimator, not medium. The J-type 327 is well past that range, probably also an epic ship if anything. Unless they really cut the scale down on those, plus make them combatants somehow.
The canon article for the BTL-A4 lists both sizes but the smaller one for "with engines stripped."
It does not look that much larger in considerable length or width, it just looks huskier. The engine nacelles having the paneling are definitely longer but I really don't think it's enough to matter.
I'm about 95% certain that it will still be a small base ship but the model will be a little bulkier and have the appropriate cockpit, bubble turret, and paneling.
I mean, the Republic Y-Wing is longer than the ARC-170 is wide so there is that. Almost as long as the U-Wing is with its wings swept forward.
6 minutes ago, Marinealver said:I think the obvious one is the Clone Gunship, that is a large base likely turret ship, I expect similar to VT-49 Decimator.
If you run out of Clone War Material you can always go for KOTOR. I think the Ebon Hawk would make a great addition.
Yea, I have to wonder if they might end up picking stuff from the Old Republic, likely just ship only with other pilots put into them.
I'd say those aren't even the same engines judging by the size and the way they look with the glow at the end and not in the middle. Based on this and Rebels I think there was a late war or post war model with less armour, different engines, and remote controlled turret, and this is the one Rebels stripped down, not BTL-B.
Wookiee size for the LAAT/i is really strange and very likely wrong, this is one of the few ships that are constantly shown next to standing men of known height so calculating length should be easy, and just looking at pictures the old size, medium base, appears more close to "reality".
I wish eta-clas shuttle could fit on small base so it could be an agile arcdodging Jedi shuttle, length-wise it's okay but it might be too wide.
9 hours ago, Animewarsdude said:I mean, the Republic Y-Wing is longer than the ARC-170 is wide so there is that. Almost as long as the U-Wing is with its wings swept forward.
Yea, I have to wonder if they might end up picking stuff from the Old Republic, likely just ship only with other pilots put into them.
It just doesn't make sense that removing paneling shrinks the length that much unless the engines were re-positioned (or replaced, as eMeM suggests). This is one of those times were I find the canon length baffling.
6 hours ago, eMeM said:
I'd say those aren't even the same engines judging by the size and the way they look with the glow at the end and not in the middle. Based on this and Rebels I think there was a late war or post war model with less armour, different engines, and remote controlled turret, and this is the one Rebels stripped down, not BTL-B.
Wookiee size for the LAAT/i is really strange and very likely wrong, this is one of the few ships that are constantly shown next to standing men of known height so calculating length should be easy, and just looking at pictures the old size, medium base, appears more close to "reality".
I wish eta-clas shuttle could fit on small base so it could be an agile arcdodging Jedi shuttle, length-wise it's okay but it might be too wide.
On the Y-Wing, maybe. Like I said above, it just doesn't seem reasonable that the paneling would shrink the engines so much. The paneling could have extended even farther past the back of the engines than the revealed frame does... but why? To me, this feels like the design team for TCW extended the paneling for visual preference, not continuity.
I was also curious about where the models you used for the stripped Y-Wing come from, film or SW Rebels, or somewhere else?
As far as the LAAT/i, you could well be right. The source listed by wookiepeedia is Star Wars Encyclopedia of Starfighters and Other Vehicles. I don't know how well those sorts of sources stand up to scrutiny.
Two images that might work for figuring out it's size from models used in the source. I think both are from TCW.
6 hours ago, eMeM said:
I'd say those aren't even the same engines judging by the size and the way they look with the glow at the end and not in the middle. Based on this and Rebels I think there was a late war or post war model with less armour, different engines, and remote controlled turret, and this is the one Rebels stripped down, not BTL-B.
Wookiee size for the LAAT/i is really strange and very likely wrong, this is one of the few ships that are constantly shown next to standing men of known height so calculating length should be easy, and just looking at pictures the old size, medium base, appears more close to "reality".
I wish eta-clas shuttle could fit on small base so it could be an agile arcdodging Jedi shuttle, length-wise it's okay but it might be too wide.
You'd be right, the Rebels striped down BTL-A4 Y-Wings, while the Republic used BTL-B Y-Wings. The BTL-A4s could have been late Clone Wars Y-Wing models that were slightly smaller but most of them ended up being sent to be scrapped or ended up in the 2nd market after the Empire decided on signing its exclusive deal with Sienar Fleet Systems.
8 minutes ago, CaptainIxidor said:I was also curious about where the models you used for the stripped Y-Wing come from, film or SW Rebels, or somewhere else?
I think he used the models from ILM.
I'm curious what the comparison would be if using the BTL-B from TCW and the BTL-A4 from Rebels. I realize there were different artistic licenses taken in each show but feels like the closest way to compare both models, as they both came from animation.
11 hours ago, CaptainIxidor said:I'm still not convinced we will see any of the Naboo diplomatic ships but the H-type is longer than a decimator, not medium. The J-type 327 is well past that range, probably also an epic ship if anything. Unless they really cut the scale down on those, plus make them combatants somehow.
A couple of us have played around with the J-Type yachts a bit. Here is a pic of my scaled down (large base) version.
And here is a post with more details and variations:
8 hours ago, eMeM said:
I'd say those aren't even the same engines judging by the size and the way they look with the glow at the end and not in the middle. Based on this and Rebels I think there was a late war or post war model with less armour, different engines, and remote controlled turret, and this is the one Rebels stripped down, not BTL-B.
Wookiee size for the LAAT/i is really strange and very likely wrong, this is one of the few ships that are constantly shown next to standing men of known height so calculating length should be easy, and just looking at pictures the old size, medium base, appears more close to "reality".
I wish eta-clas shuttle could fit on small base so it could be an agile arcdodging Jedi shuttle, length-wise it's okay but it might be too wide.
They're definitely the same ship. You can see a lot of the ones from Rebels in its first appearance having many of the same lines on the primary hull, but lots removed. I'm pretty sure the long engines were mostly just cowls and armor, but for what precise purpose I can't be sure. But they're definitely the same model. They're intended to be, at least. If we were gonna' argue about this to the bitter end, I'm gonna' cite that somehow the NCC-1701 and the NCC-1701-A are the same ship. Mull over that.
14 minutes ago, Captain Lackwit said:They're definitely the same ship. You can see a lot of the ones from Rebels in its first appearance having many of the same lines on the primary hull, but lots removed. I'm pretty sure the long engines were mostly just cowls and armor, but for what precise purpose I can't be sure. But they're definitely the same model. They're intended to be, at least. If we were gonna' argue about this to the bitter end, I'm gonna' cite that somehow the NCC-1701 and the NCC-1701-A are the same ship. Mull over that.
If that was the intention someone royally srewed up.
Rebels Y-wings have different turrets and cockpits, why not engines?
35 minutes ago, Captain Lackwit said:They're definitely the same ship. You can see a lot of the ones from Rebels in its first appearance having many of the same lines on the primary hull, but lots removed. I'm pretty sure the long engines were mostly just cowls and armor, but for what precise purpose I can't be sure. But they're definitely the same model. They're intended to be, at least. If we were gonna' argue about this to the bitter end, I'm gonna' cite that somehow the NCC-1701 and the NCC-1701-A are the same ship. Mull over that.
They are the same type of ship but not the same model. Like how there were various variants of the X-Wing, or to use Gundam as an example the vast variants of the Zaku II. At least that is what I'd imagine considering they have different model numbers, one being the BTL-A4 variant and the other being a BTL-B variant. Pretty sure the ones in Rebels are even noted as being the BTL-A4 variant instead of the Clone Wars BTL-B one. Maybe a fully armored BTL-A4 had the same type armor of the BTL-B but had reduced engine nacelles for some reason.
Haven't watched the films in a while, but pretty sure the NCC-1701 and NCC-1701-A are not the same ship at all. Same class of ship yes, they were both Constitution class ships, both of which were refitted but the original Enterprise was destroyed they slapped the NCC-1701-A on another Constitution class ship and then called it day. Then 1701-B was slapped onto a Excelsior class, Kirk 'died', 1701-C on a Consular class which was destroyed by Romulans I think, 1701-D on a galaxy class that was destroyed by a bird of prey, and 1701-E on a Sovereign class and it flew off to boldly go where no one had gone before.