if you use Coordinate on an Advanced V1 and that ship performs a Boost which it links into a Focus, would Lt.Sai be able to perform a Focus as well ?

Nope.

"After you perform a coordinate action, if the ship you chose performed an action on your action bar, you may perform that action."

L ooking at the rules...

Coordinate ... The chosen ship performs one action.

Linked Actions ... A linked action can be performed after performing the action it is attached to even if that action was granted by a card effect or other game effect.

I do not see anywhere that says Coordinate can ONLY lead to one action and BOTH actions occurred after Lieutenant Sai performed the coordinate action so I would say YES you can do both.

This is addressed in an Official Ruling:

tl;dr: Nope, only the first action chosen, not the linked one.

41 minutes ago, jftanner said:

This is addressed in an Official Ruling:

tl;dr: Nope, only the first action chosen, not the linked one.

NOOOOOOOOO! LOL

Right? That'd have been great.

It does make sense, though. Lt. Sai puts the coordinate action on the ability queue. As part of resolving that, the other ship takes the boost action. Then, having performed a boost, the player chooses to put the linked focus action on the ability queue. Then, the boost resolves, letting the coordinate resolve. Since the coordinate has resolved, Lt. Sai's ability triggers. At this point, only the boost has been performed, since the focus action is still in the ability queue.

That's kind of a complicated process to step through, though, and doubtless would have caused several pages of arguing here. So, I'm glad it's clarified so neatly in the official rulings.

3 minutes ago, jftanner said:

Right? That'd have been great.

It does make sense, though. Lt. Sai puts the coordinate action on the ability queue. As part of resolving that, the other ship takes the boost action. Then, having performed a boost, the player chooses to put the linked focus action on the ability queue. Then, the boost resolves, letting the coordinate resolve. Since the coordinate has resolved, Lt. Sai's ability triggers. At this point, only the boost has been performed, since the focus action is still in the ability queue.

That's kind of a complicated process to step through, though, and doubtless would have caused several pages of arguing here. So, I'm glad it's clarified so neatly in the official rulings.

Not just would have, did.

Had it not been for that faq, i'd say yes.

Both Sai and Ciena Ree do not actually specify that they are ONLY looking at the coordinated action, but that faq basically just rewrote them to.

So, no. Focus first, or no Sai ability.

41 minutes ago, Vineheart01 said:

Had it not been for that faq, i'd say yes.

Both Sai and Ciena Ree do not actually specify that they are ONLY looking at the coordinated action, but that faq basically just rewrote them to.

So, no. Focus first, or no Sai ability.

uh... respectfully. Yes, they do. "After" is after, not "at some point in time after" The only Action that occurs "After" the Coordinate is the Coordinated Action, everything else occurs "at some point in time after". FFG has been very clear about what "After" means.

My PSA again. The more this community attempts to twist perfectly clear worded rules into what they want them to mean, the more ambiguity we create. I feel that FFG has done an incredible job of creating a common language for 2.0 (with some minor exceptions) and thus reading the card and the rules covers like 98% of the gameplay.

And this is why it needed to be faq'd

Both the linked action and Sai'd ability triggered at the same time. If you have multiple triggers, you resolve them in any order.

Pointless to argue because it was faq'd but thats why it was an issue.

47 minutes ago, drazen90909 said:

uh... respectfully. Yes, they do. "After" is after, not "at some point in time after" The only Action that occurs "After" the Coordinate is the Coordinated Action, everything else occurs "at some point in time after". FFG has been very clear about what "After" means.

My PSA again. The more this community attempts to twist perfectly clear worded rules into what they want them to mean, the more ambiguity we create. I feel that FFG has done an incredible job of creating a common language for 2.0 (with some minor exceptions) and thus reading the card and the rules covers like 98% of the gameplay.

**** Disclaimer this argument is for the sake of argument, lieutenant Sai has been covered in the Offical rulings thread ***

Lieutenant Sai Reads "After you perform a coordinate action" - Sai's card

Coordinate action reads "1. Measure range from the coordinating ship to any friendly ships.
2. Choose another friendly ship at range 1–2.
3. The chosen ship performs one action." - Coordinate action page 9 of the rules reference

Linked actions read "After a ship performs an action with an attached linked action"- page 12 of the rules.

Both the after from the Linked action and the Coordinate trigger after step 3 in coordinate, you would then get to choose how they entire the que, Since coordinate finishes when the action in the linked action finishes both their afters are at the same time.

"If a player has multiple abilities that triggered from the same event, that
player chooses the order that those abilities are added to the ability
queue." - Page 3 of the rules reference

If I am incorrect on how this works please let me know where I am interpreting the rules incorrectly for future situations with the ability que. Again I am not trying to question ffg's ruling or anything I want to know if my logic process is wrong in regards to the ability que.

*** This is not how Lieutenant Sai works as per the offical rulings thread she does not allow you to use her ability on the second action in a linked action ***

@icelom

Lt. Sai (and Ciena Ree) work the way they do because the abilities are NOT triggered at the same time. If they were, then yes, the player could choose the order.

Your steps are correct:

Lieutenant Sai Reads "After you perform a coordinate action" - Sai's card

Coordinate action reads:

1. Measure range from the coordinating ship to any friendly ships.
2. Choose another friendly ship at range 1–2.
3. The chosen ship performs one action." - Coordinate action page 9 of the rules reference

The Coordinate Action completes before the coordinated ship performs the action, thus the "After you perform a coordinate action" window is now open to check for which Action was chosen.

Linked actions read "After a ship performs an action with an attached linked action"- page 12 of the rules.

The Linked action window opens After the Action is performed, at which time the Coordinate action "After Window" is closed.

The actual Action that was performed as a result of the Coordinate Action is NOT part of the Coordinate steps (only the window to perform set action) as "If the chosen ship attempts to perform an action but that action fails, the coordinate does not fail."

So the Action is After the Coordinate Action, and the Linked Action is After the Action that was coordinated. The Linked Action occurs "at some point in time after the Coordinate Action"

1 minute ago, drazen90909 said:

@icelom

Lt. Sai (and Ciena Ree) work the way they do because the abilities are NOT triggered at the same time. If they were, then yes, the player could choose the order.

Your steps are correct:

Lieutenant Sai Reads "After you perform a coordinate action" - Sai's card

Coordinate action reads:

1. Measure range from the coordinating ship to any friendly ships.
2. Choose another friendly ship at range 1–2.
3. The chosen ship performs one action." - Coordinate action page 9 of the rules reference

The Coordinate Action completes before the coordinated ship performs the action, thus the "After you perform a coordinate action" window is now open to check for which Action was chosen.

Linked actions read "After a ship performs an action with an attached linked action"- page 12 of the rules.

The Linked action window opens After the Action is performed, at which time the Coordinate action "After Window" is closed.

The actual Action that was performed as a result of the Coordinate Action is NOT part of the Coordinate steps (only the window to perform set action) as "If the chosen ship attempts to perform an action but that action fails, the coordinate does not fail."

So the Action is After the Coordinate Action, and the Linked Action is After the Action that was coordinated. The Linked Action occurs "at some point in time after the Coordinate Action"

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"3. The chosen ship performs one action" - coordinate action

That action is within the coordinate action, how can coordinate finish as you say when the action is literally in step 3.

I don't understand your logic that the coordinate finishes before the ship does the action... The ship performing the action is step 3 of coordinate, it's not after step 3 it literally is step 3.

Your reference about failing does not say the coordinated action is not part of coordinate it just says if that action fails the coordinate doesn't... The fact that it has to say that would indicate that the action is within the coordinate action otherwise that rule would not need to exist.

I just can't see it your way, maybe I am being an idiot.

13 minutes ago, drazen90909 said:

@icelom

Lt. Sai (and Ciena Ree) work the way they do because the abilities are NOT triggered at the same time. If they were, then yes, the player could choose the order.

Add if I TO'ing a tournament I would rule Ciena Ree does not work on the second action because of the Lt. Sai ruling (almost the same thing)

But i don't understand the logic flow and that's very frustrating.

I simply see it as the coordinated action is what is tied to Sai's ability, the linked action is not part of the initial equation. If the coordinated action and the linked action off of that could enter the queue in what ever order the player chose, I would agree with you. but the linked always comes after the initial action. so you could say that Sai's bonus action(my term as I don't know what else to call it) happens at the same time as the linked action but it's not the linked action that triggers sai's bonus action, it's the one that you coordinated. That's my way of looking at how it works. Hope that makes some sense. it was hard to explain it in a post.