If you were to try and make your own version of HOTAC, that focused only on the rebellion era, from say, 5 yrs before ANH, right up to the 2nd death-star attack. What ships would YOU see as being part of the rebellion era for allowability?
I can easily see the TFA specific stuff (T-70s, first order tie, Kylo's funky tie, those rebel bombers) as NOT being part of it.
But what of other ships, like the E and K wing, or Tie punishers?
Any Clone Wars era stuff would be perfectly viable IMO.
K- wings and E-wings are New Republic ships (I think), so they could be left out.
Apart from that I think all Rebel ships would be allowed.
Edited by RedLeader231 hour ago, LTuser said:If you were to try and make your own version of HOTAC, that focused only on the rebellion era, from say, 5 yrs before ANH, right up to the 2nd death-star attack. What ships would YOU see as being part of the rebellion era for allowability?
I can easily see the TFA specific stuff (T-70s, first order tie, Kylo's funky tie, those rebel bombers) as NOT being part of it.
But what of other ships, like the E and K wing, or Tie punishers?
I think right now the best thing to do is match them faction by faction then split the Scum Ships in them (keep in mind Scum Ships can span multiple eras.
That is what I got for single player campaign eras.
3 hours ago, Marinealver said:I think right now the best thing to do is match them faction by faction then split the Scum Ships in them (keep in mind Scum Ships can span multiple eras.
- Republic vs CIS
- Firespray
- Alliance vs Empire
- All current scum ships except for Quadjumper
- Resistance vs 1st Order
- All current scum ships.
That is what I got for single player campaign eras.
Taking the thread on a tangent, but the Shadowcaster, YV-666, and Fang Fighter all appear in the Clone Wars era. The Khiraxz (at least the Vaksai version) appears in the background of the Maul comic book that occurs before Ep. I so contrary to Legends it seems they’d be active in Clone Wars era too. The HWK-290 appears in the Kanan comic book series set shortly after Order 66. And based on Legends the Scurrg is from that era as well.
Given that the Y-wing and Z-95 are in current use by the Republic at that time, I’d guess they’re less likely to end up in the hands of criminal scum.
Edited by WAC47The E-wing at least has been teased as being GCW in the Lego star wars stuff. While not canon, it shows they are open to it at least. Since the X-wing is now an older fighter, dating back close to the clonewars (at least a decade earlier than in the EU) moving the E-wing up a similar amount wouldn't be much of an issue.
K-wing would still be a bit of an issue even shaving a decade off the EU date. But tech wise there is nothing blocking it from being a GCW unit.
And the tie phantoms and the tie punishers are already GCW units. Just limited run experimentals, the way the Tie defender elite is in canon.
Also add the YV-666 and the Hounds Tooth to the clone wars era, it appeared in the clone wars series, with Bossk at the helm. Also the gauntlet fighter, which fen rau and the protectors flew in the clone wars. (Seen in a kanan comic expanding on the mention from the rebels episode mention)
Edited by mithril2098any Old Republic fighters and any fighter we've seen on screen would work. The way I've been headcanoning the K-Wing and E-Wing is they were deployed in VERY small numbers late in the GCW. Maybe in development close to the discovery of the second Death Star and seeing some service between the Battle of Endor and the Battle of Jakku, but both craft too expensive and maintenance heavy to really see any kind of mass deployment like the X-Wing and Y-Wing/B-Wing.
Didn't the E-Wing pop up in the Poe Dameron comics as an old ship in a collector's inventory? That would place it early New Republic at the latest in the current Canon. The K-Wing was a late New Republic design in Legends (just after the war with the Vong iirc) and the Punisher is the Interdictor from Legends, a middle GCW design.
Well going off Wookiepedia, i see it's listed as being introduced 16 yrs after ANH. The E-wing came out as per it, during the Thrawn crisis..
1 minute ago, LTuser said:Well going off Wookiepedia, i see it's listed as being introduced 16 yrs after ANH. The E-wing came out as per it, during the Thrawn crisis..
Which happened before the Rebellion really got on its feet in the current Canon... Legends vs Canon = Migraines all around...
18 hours ago, WAC47 said:Taking the thread on a tangent, but the Shadowcaster, YV-666, and Fang Fighter all appear in the Clone Wars era. The Khiraxz (at least the Vaksai version) appears in the background of the Maul comic book that occurs before Ep. I so contrary to Legends it seems they’d be active in Clone Wars era too. The HWK-290 appears in the Kanan comic book series set shortly after Order 66. And based on Legends the Scurrg is from that era as well.
Given that the Y-wing and Z-95 are in current use by the Republic at that time, I’d guess they’re less likely to end up in the hands of criminal scum.
Incorrect. The Kom'rk fighter/transport appeared in The Clone Wars. MUCH larger and distinct in role from the Fang.
It surprises me people still make this mistake.
6 hours ago, Captain Lackwit said:
Incorrect. The Kom'rk fighter/transport appeared in The Clone Wars. MUCH larger and distinct in role from the Fang.
It surprises me people still make this mistake.
Sorry, I was not clear in my original post. You’re absolutely right that Fang fighters didn’t show up in the tv show, they first appear in the Kanan comic during the Clone Wars era (the issue was released the same day as the Rebels episode they first appeared in, which was cool. I mean, if you’re a massive nerd like I am).
The Shadowcaster doesn’t appear in the show either, but was designed for it and makes an appearance in the Dark Disciple novel based on scripts for later episodes.
Edited by WAC474 hours ago, WAC47 said:Sorry, I was not clear in my original post. You’re absolutely right that Fang fighters didn’t show up in the tv show, they first appear in the Kanan comic during the Clone Wars era (the issue was released the same day as the Rebels episode they first appeared in, which was cool. I mean, if you’re a massive nerd like I am).
The Shadowcaster doesn’t appear in the show either, but was designed for it and makes an appearance in the Dark Disciple novel based on scripts for later episodes.
Totes fair, that does make Fangs technically PT era content then!
Kanan #10
might even be the same pilots from the Expansion.
Edited by mithril2098Rebels - everything except Kwing and Ewing. Those were both well after the timeline you asked for.
Empire - everything fits that time.
Scum - everything except for the quadjumper
The other stuff got split off into their own factions, so problem solved there.
On 10/12/2018 at 10:03 AM, mithril2098 said:The E-wing at least has been teased as being GCW in the Lego star wars stuff. While not canon, it shows they are open to it at least. Since the X-wing is now an older fighter, dating back close to the clonewars (at least a decade earlier than in the EU) moving the E-wing up a similar amount wouldn't be much of an issue.
Where has it been said that the T-65 is an older fighter? I could only find it first being used by the Rebels at the Battle of Lothal where Green Squadron was destroyed.
Just now, Animewarsdude said:Where has it been said that the T-65 is an older fighter? I could only find it first being used by the Rebels at the Battle of Lothal where Green Squadron was destroyed.
I'm curious myself.
5 minutes ago, Animewarsdude said:Where has it been said that the T-65 is an older fighter? I could only find it first being used by the Rebels at the Battle of Lothal where Green Squadron was destroyed.
U-wing is described as being both built after the X-wing, but also as an old design, predating imperial standardization. both had production cut off due to Imperial nationalization of Incom, which occurred early in the empire's reign. (no specific date given)
further, since we have also been told that the T-65 was up against the TIE/LN for adoption by the Imperial navy, we know X-wings and TIE's were developed at roughly the same time. since the TIE/LN had been made the standard imperial fighter only 5 years after the empire formed, this means the X-wing is at least fifteen years old at the time of scarif/yavin. and more likely closer to twenty, with the model first flying shortly after the clone wars ended. (much like the A-wing have been established the canon)
16 minutes ago, mithril2098 said:U-wing is described as being both built after the X-wing, but also as an old design, predating imperial standardization. both had production cut off due to Imperial nationalization of Incom, which occurred early in the empire's reign. (no specific date given)
further, since we have also been told that the T-65 was up against the TIE/LN for adoption by the Imperial navy, we know X-wings and TIE's were developed at roughly the same time. since the TIE/LN had been made the standard imperial fighter only 5 years after the empire formed, this means the X-wing is at least fifteen years old at the time of scarif/yavin. and more likely closer to twenty, with the model first flying shortly after the clone wars ended. (much like the A-wing have been established the canon)
Thanks
no prob. they haven't come out and said it definitively yet, but the various references they've stuck in have been fairly consistent with it being an older fighter than it was in Legends. they've moved most of the Rebel fighters earlier like that.. the A-wing coming out right at the end of the clone wars, the B-wing showing up around 4 BBY instead of 0ABY, etc. makes some sense.. the idea that the rebellion had its own fighter factories and such was always a bit of weirdness in the Legends. their common fighters being older stuff that had been around for awhile and could be gotten as surplus or on the open market fits their narrative better.
On 10/13/2018 at 6:39 AM, Hiemfire said:Didn't the E-Wing pop up in the Poe Dameron comics as an old ship in a collector's inventory? That would place it early New Republic at the latest in the current Canon. The K-Wing was a late New Republic design in Legends (just after the war with the Vong iirc) and the Punisher is the Interdictor from Legends, a middle GCW design.
That may have been a nod to Jek-14's Stealth Starfighter (which itself was a rather unsubtle nod to the E-Wing), which was active during the Clone Wars.
...so yeah, if you want a Rebellion era E-Wing, no real reason why you can't have one!
In context of the game, it probably helps to view the Galaxy as technologically stagnant. So any design is basically a trade-off. For example, the Empire likes it cheap and mass produced, the Rebels like sturdy workhorses, etc. But a TFA era ship isn't technologically so much superior to the Clone Wars. Else, your head canon will get serious whiplash when these faction share table space.
Ships in original trilogy
In the old canon the e-wing was a replacement for the struggling x-wing in the star fighter arms race. Yes they made retrofits like current aircraft bu with all item of tech eventually the frame runs out of carry capacity. With the original expanded literature the e-wing was attempt at a new weapon platform mainly to carry a bigger main gun. It was limited production mainly for the limited supply of the type of gas used for the weapon to fire. With the Mouse's new movies they have sidestepped the ship in favor of x-wing clone for recognition purposes. It would fit in to the classic era but more as a limited on off or mission specific platform. Like the gunner platform b-wings.
On 10/12/2018 at 11:34 PM, WAC47 said:Taking the thread on a tangent, but the Shadowcaster, YV-666, and Fang Fighter all appear in the Clone Wars era. The Khiraxz (at least the Vaksai version) appears in the background of the Maul comic book that occurs before Ep. I so contrary to Legends it seems they’d be active in Clone Wars era too. The HWK-290 appears in the Kanan comic book series set shortly after Order 66. And based on Legends the Scurrg is from that era as well.
Given that the Y-wing and Z-95 are in current use by the Republic at that time, I’d guess they’re less likely to end up in the hands of criminal scum.
The m3-a interceptor is also an old ship, so it's probably around in the clone wars too