16 minutes ago, Sixter said:

I think the absence of Boba the pilot skewed the Scum meta. Not only was Boba missing but I think Fenn Rau was over-represented because of this. I think we will see much more Old Teroch with Boba on the table because of how affordable Teroch is. Palob seems to be an auto-include, which means that Boba (86-90 pts with essential upgrades) and Palob/MC only leave around 60-64 pts to spend, which makes Fenn (and probably Guri) too expensive. Teroch fits at 56 points however.

agree! i wantedto see boba fett in the firespray. nice assessment. Scum were disadvantaged wout one of its top aces representing.

27 minutes ago, SOTL said:

I'm not sure. Boba is really good, but the ships that did well at Coruscant are also ships that are pretty good against Boba so I'm not sure the result would be all the different.

we'll never know. Boba didnt get his chance to prove his worth. his mods are pretty game breaking at range one.

Nice to see guri in there. she looks really strong in 2.0. some chatter in these forums that Jakky gunrunner will see a cost increase soon. That little guy is punching above his weight (no need to nerf him just yet tho)

21 minutes ago, PhantomFO said:

And then there's that 3x Jakku Gunrunner with Drea, L3-37 and two Binarye Pirates. That list is MADNESS.

I feel like Imps got off easy with the mandatory upgrades, though. Ruthless is actually pretty easy to slot into a list, and there aren't too many better EPTs competing with it. Leia and Boba are both much more situational in usage, and require you to take a crew carrier with an effectively empty seat.

Maybe in the Palob lists a different crew would be slotted there? Otherwise, I don't know that a free Boba mattered much to Scum. Much more impactful was the loss of pilot Boba.

Leia on the other hand definitely skewed Rebels, both as the most powerful free upgrade as well as I imagine a lot of players using her as more of a build-around piece than any of the other factions.

28 minutes ago, PhantomFO said:

And then there's that 3x Jakku Gunrunner with Drea, L3-37 and two Binarye Pirates. That list is MADNESS.

You saw it here first ?
https://stayontheleader.blogspot.com/2018/09/ten-squads-in-ten-days-part-10-scum.html

39 minutes ago, Micanthropyre said:

Maybe in the Palob lists a different crew would be slotted there? Otherwise, I don't know that a free Boba mattered much to Scum. Much more impactful was the loss of pilot Boba.

BT-1, Solo, Lando or 0-0-0 seem like they might have been thrown on Palob and might have had an impact, assuming enough points were available. But losing Boba in his Firespray was huge, absolutely agree that was the bigger issue for Scum.

2 minutes ago, CaptainIxidor said:

BT-1, Solo, Lando, all seem like they might have been thrown on Palob and might have had an impact, assuming enough points were available. But losing Boba in his Firespray was huge, absolutely agree that was the bigger issue for Scum.

Palob can't take BT-1 or Solo. No gunner slot.

23 minutes ago, Hiemfire said:

Palob can't take BT-1 or Solo. No gunner slot.

Whoops! I did mean to say 0-0-0 instead of BT-1 but did forget Solo was gunner not crew. I don't understand why he's a gunner, either.

38 minutes ago, Micanthropyre said:

Maybe in the Palob lists a different crew would be slotted there? Otherwise, I don't know that a free Boba mattered much to Scum. Much more impactful was the loss of pilot Boba.

Leia on the other hand definitely skewed Rebels, both as the most powerful free upgrade as well as I imagine a lot of players using her as more of a build-around piece than any of the other factions.

I don't think Leia was the most powerful free upgrade. She has the highest cost, but being able to downgrade the difficulty of red maneuvers is pretty situational. There aren't many turns where you want to use the red maneuvers, and you risk telegraphing yourself because you have to declare it at the start of activation.

If she could downgrade the difficulty of all maneuvers, then she'd probably be worth the eight points. But limiting it to red also limits her value.

2 hours ago, SOTL said:

99% of pilots in the top 16 fit in one of two brackets (ideally they fit both):

1) offensive dice mods

2) high-I reposition

If your ship wasn't doing those things it didn't make the cut.

yeah, the 2 mechanics that are undercosted lol

It's difficult to say how much the required upgrades affected things, but it's definitely interesting to note that the swarm meta that was an early meta prediction doesn't seem to have really happened. Most lists were 3-4 ships and while there were quite a few I6 pilots, they clearly weren't unbeatable, though the presence of 2 in the winning lists suggests they are very good. Hardly any big ships is also interesting, and I think Alex Davy mentioned something about them maybe needing some help on a stream/podcast somewhere. Even taking into account the restrictions placed on the lists here, the variety looks pretty good to me and the meta seems relatively healthy with a good range of lists and different ships in use.

TIE Swarms aren't good enough. As we got into the card pool more we found the power level is already set too high for them.

17 hours ago, SOTL said:

Not really. What doesn't fit?

Eide's list looks a tad bit more tricky. With a low bid (in that kind of environment) Luke's I5 wasn't going to be nearly as strong as it may have been. One could even assert that Howard's list was more focused on doing unavoidable damage than it was heavily modified conventional damage.

13 minutes ago, BDrafty said:

Eide's list looks a tad bit more tricky. With a low bid (in that kind of environment) Luke's I5 wasn't going to be nearly as strong as it may have been. One could even assert that Howard's list was more focused on doing unavoidable damage than it was heavily modified conventional damage.

From a 3rd party: Worth noting that Eide was cheating for most of the tournament, I hope inadvertently.

He was treating the linked actions of S-Foils as reversed so he could Focus off the Supernatural Reflexes action. Somebody called him on it eventually but I think it was only in the top-16? He was doing it for most of the tournament (according the person who was there who told me about it).

8 minutes ago, SOTL said:

From a 3rd party: Worth noting that Eide was cheating for most of the tournament, I hope inadvertently.

He was treating the linked actions of S-Foils as reversed so he could Focus off the Supernatural Reflexes action. Somebody called him on it eventually but I think it was only in the top-16? He was doing it for most of the tournament (according the person who was there who told me about it).

I'm confused, isn't the linked action a focus -> boost. How could you get it the other way round?

I think I lost too many bets this week...

14 minutes ago, SOTL said:

From a 3rd party: Worth noting that Eide was cheating for most of the tournament, I hope inadvertently.

He was treating the linked actions of S-Foils as reversed so he could Focus off the Supernatural Reflexes action. Somebody called him on it eventually but I think it was only in the top-16? He was doing it for most of the tournament (according the person who was there who told me about it).

5 minutes ago, DarthRossi said:

I'm confused, isn't the linked action a focus -> boost. How could you get it the other way round?

Also confused. As long as he was treating one of the actions as red (with a closed S-foil) the end result should have been the same: focus and a boost then gain a stress, then blue away the stress during your movement so that you can take another action as normal.

18 minutes ago, SOTL said:

From a 3rd party: Worth noting that Eide was cheating for most of the tournament, I hope inadvertently.

He was treating the linked actions of S-Foils as reversed so he could Focus off the Supernatural Reflexes action. Somebody called him on it eventually but I think it was only in the top-16? He was doing it for most of the tournament (according the person who was there who told me about it).

This is disheartening to hear.

I'll give Nathan a little benefit of the doubt - i did the same thing when I picked up Luke, and I know some players didn't have much time in with their lists, but man...

...not good.

2 minutes ago, BDrafty said:

Also confused. As long as he was treating one of the actions as red (with a closed S-foil) the end result should have been the same: focus and a boost then gain a stress, then blue away the stress during your movement so that you can take another action as normal.

It's not the same, as you're gaining an extra action from the linked action. Not having the linked means you get boost + normal action.

Somehow having the linked means you have boost + focus + normal action. That's a pretty significant difference.

4 hours ago, Jike said:

It's difficult to say how much the required upgrades affected things

Its pretty straight forward actually.

Imperials were largely unchanged (though leaving predator/lw/juke behind is big)

Rebels/Scum brought sub-optimal lists with very few exceptions.

Large numbers of players avoided bringing efficiency lists in favor of 3 ship aces.

Probably based on preference or predicting the field more than actual deficiencies with higher ship count lists.

Thats about it really.

5 minutes ago, BDrafty said:

Also confused. As long as he was treating one of the actions as red (with a closed S-foil) the end result should have been the same: focus and a boost then gain a stress, then blue away the stress during your movement so that you can take another action as normal.

It's very different when Supernatural Rexfles is involved, as apparently was the case.

SR lets you perform a boost action before you perform your maneuver. This means if you could link off that action and then perform a blue maneuver, you would remove the stress incurred from the red linked maneuver and gain a pre-movement boost (which is big itself), a focus token and no stress.

It does not let you perform any action you want before you maneuver. You cannot trigger a focus off the SR boost because there is no such linked action. You cannot trigger the focus > boost before you move because that is not what SR allows.

There is no legal way for the X-Wing to focus and boost before moving.

If the linked actions were the other way round, it would be legal by SR's wording and the rules on linked actions. But they are not, so it isn't. And to treat the linked actions as if they were the other way round would be cheating - it's gaining you an additional action over SR boosting before movement and then focusing as the normal action.

6 minutes ago, Tlfj200 said:

It's not the same, as you're gaining an extra action from the linked action. Not having the linked means you get boost + normal action.

Somehow having the linked means you have boost + focus + normal action. That's a pretty significant difference.

No, you have the linked action from a closed S-foil for sure:

I'm just not sure of what the exact confusion was and how it would have impacted the game.

2 minutes ago, BDrafty said:

No, you have the linked action from a closed S-foil for sure:

I'm just not sure of what the exact confusion was and how it would have impacted the game.

Because supernaturla ONLY lets you perform a boost, or barrel roll action.

There is no boost --> focus action, thus, doing it that way nets you an action.

The action card is focs --> red boost. The order of operations is important because supernatural reflexes only lets you boost (not focus first), and when you boost FIRST, you cannot focus (which is the extra action).

This isn't a coordinate, which you could coordinate to the x-wing, it could focus, linked red boost, then perform a blue and do a 3rd action.

4 minutes ago, GuacCousteau said:

It's very different when Supernatural Rexfles is involved, as apparently was the case.

SR lets you perform a boost action before you perform your maneuver. This means if you could link off that action and then perform a blue maneuver, you would remove the stress incurred from the red linked maneuver and gain a pre-movement boost (which is big itself), a focus token and no stress.

It does not let you perform any action you want before you maneuver. You cannot trigger a focus off the SR boost because there is no such linked action. You cannot trigger the focus > boost before you move because that is not what SR allows.

There is no legal way for the X-Wing to focus and boost before moving.

If the linked actions were the other way round, it would be legal by SR's wording and the rules on linked actions. But they are not, so it isn't. And to treat the linked actions as if they were the other way round would be cheating - it's gaining you an additional action over SR boosting before movement and then focusing as the normal action.

RIGHT! I see what you are saying. Yeah the order of the link would give you a focus token you should not be getting.

I guess the only good thing about that whole situation is that Luke usually doesn't gain that much marginal benefit from an additional focus token compared to other pilots.

8 minutes ago, Transmogrifier said:

I guess the only good thing about that whole situation is that Luke usually doesn't gain that much marginal benefit from an additional focus token compared to other pilots.

He quite likes spending his action on a TL afterwards though.