On 10/9/2018 at 12:04 AM, Constantine Valdor said:

Reporting in

All CV.

On 10/9/2018 at 8:13 PM, Constantine Valdor said:

## Role Confirmed

On 10/9/2018 at 8:34 PM, Constantine Valdor said:

I prefer Sabacc to be honest, more risk more fun

On 10/10/2018 at 11:52 AM, Constantine Valdor said:

Dang I missed the roulette game, oh well. hmm a couple of early votes I see too.

On 10/10/2018 at 3:21 PM, Constantine Valdor said:

I smell Imperials in the air

## vote GNIPS

On 10/10/2018 at 4:00 PM, Constantine Valdor said:

I suspect Vis, LP, GNIPS

LP for suggesting the vote deal, then again if he's agent, an extra D1 vote doesn't matter since town got majority

Vis for calling out the game, direct LP vote, and not giving any alternative to do. Direct vote if troubling

GNIPS why too scared of betting vote, like I said before, an Extra D1 vote still not enough to guarantee a hammer, because agents and sabo doesn't communicate if the game rules stays the same

I want to hear Vis and GNIPS defense if you're town, LP can be dealt with D2 if we lose a town tonight.

I just want to find the Basdak behind all this

On 10/10/2018 at 5:04 PM, Constantine Valdor said:

any one know how much time we got left? ## unvote

## vote @Visovics

Placeholder and maybe final if I don't have his defense on time.

On 10/10/2018 at 10:50 PM, Constantine Valdor said:

as the great Han Solo has proven, gambling can get you anything if done right

On 10/10/2018 at 10:55 PM, Constantine Valdor said:

Exactly

On 10/10/2018 at 11:42 PM, Constantine Valdor said:

So only Jabba, clon and Caldias haven't vote yet. Take your pick otherwise we all got 14% of dying xD

On 10/10/2018 at 11:58 PM, Constantine Valdor said:

Well just giving heads up :p, idk how the timer countdown works or where to see it. I don't mind dying, if in the end the Basdak get hanged for his crimes.

On 10/11/2018 at 12:15 AM, Constantine Valdor said:

6, bertie changed vote

On 10/11/2018 at 12:16 AM, Constantine Valdor said:

And now the wait for @LTD 's announcement

On 10/11/2018 at 12:17 AM, Constantine Valdor said:

the what now xD

On 10/11/2018 at 12:19 AM, Constantine Valdor said:

Ah I understand now

On 10/11/2018 at 12:28 AM, Constantine Valdor said:

can't believe I missed a Twi'lek joke opportunity

On 10/11/2018 at 12:58 AM, Constantine Valdor said:

Sigh, if only he say something, but only silence

On 10/11/2018 at 1:00 AM, Constantine Valdor said:

say Matt, how long do you control LP's vote?

On 10/11/2018 at 1:02 AM, Constantine Valdor said:

Life was definitely easier back then when the enemies are clankers.

On 10/11/2018 at 1:03 AM, Constantine Valdor said:

Hold on, I never voted LP, GNIPS first then Vis

On 10/11/2018 at 1:05 AM, Constantine Valdor said:

oh yeah, nvm, I'm blind xD

10 hours ago, Constantine Valdor said:

I just got home from game night at local flgs, gonna shift thru the pages now

10 hours ago, Constantine Valdor said:

Wow really, that was quick, I DARE YOU, and if I'm dead, I'll proven myself as a loyal Town. Do it, vote me and regret (or not, if you're an Imperial)

10 hours ago, Constantine Valdor said:

I just got home since the last 10hours.... Dude, read page 5-6, before vis got hammered

10 hours ago, Constantine Valdor said:

May my death bring focus to the rest of Town, get the Basdak who sabotaged my ship

10 hours ago, Constantine Valdor said:

oh yeah, voting

## vote @ LP

before I die

9 hours ago, Constantine Valdor said:

More votes pls, Take notes if I die Town, I think you'll still have majority by 1 vote if I die, but work together to kill the infiltrators pls.

9 hours ago, Constantine Valdor said:

*only a Sith deals in absolutes, I must do what I must*

## unvote

## vote Matt

8 hours ago, Constantine Valdor said:

fugging **** -___-

8 hours ago, Constantine Valdor said:

Clon you sneaky Imperial

8 hours ago, Constantine Valdor said:

just wanna fish a reaction from him. **** it this is town last majority vote, 5 to hammer now since we're 9.. ?

8 hours ago, Constantine Valdor said:

Sigh I wish the enemies are clankers just like the old days. All this sneaking about is bad for an old clone like me

7 hours ago, Constantine Valdor said:

well, I for one, was ready to take a hammer before Matt did, because I can prove my loyalty then, but now since Town lost 2 votes, every vote count, if Town strikes 3x, then they lose majority after the next hammer.

7 hours ago, Constantine Valdor said:

Go on, vote me and you'll 100% lose town majority next turn/day.

6 hours ago, Constantine Valdor said:

Well some people was suspicious of Matt due to the card game and the fact he won it, I'm know my role and want the town to focus their attention and voting somewhere, because I see Matt as a bit loyal, and turns out he is. Basicly trying to take the Heat (cause i was at 0 vote for a while) and want to see who's gonna try to steer back to Matt. I suspect clon is one of the baddies and 50/50 on LP.

On 10/8/2018 at 1:41 AM, Bertie Wooster said:

I'm in!

All BW posts. Regard, Jeeves

On 10/9/2018 at 3:34 AM, Bertie Wooster said:

##role confirmed

On 10/9/2018 at 3:26 PM, Bertie Wooster said:

I would, except every time I play I'm always one of those fools.

On 10/9/2018 at 5:57 PM, Bertie Wooster said:

I thought it was a little suspicious that Gengis Jon said "my Emperor." It was wrapped in a joke, of course, but it still seems a bit odd.

On 10/9/2018 at 10:56 PM, Bertie Wooster said:

Thanks for clarifying.

On 10/9/2018 at 11:00 PM, Bertie Wooster said:

Intriguing. I don't think my computer fits the system requirements though.

On 10/9/2018 at 11:12 PM, Bertie Wooster said:

Seven Slots For Seven Smugglers? (That could be a musical.)

I will play. Anything to give us more information.

On 10/9/2018 at 11:31 PM, Bertie Wooster said:

I think it's the fact that we don't have a regular night time too. Daytime and nighttime activities blend together, and nighttime activities seem logical in the daytime...

On 10/10/2018 at 1:01 AM, Bertie Wooster said:

4 pages in and no votes. I feel like everyone is using Strategic Adviser. "You go first," "No, you first please, my good man."

On 10/10/2018 at 1:13 AM, Bertie Wooster said:

We're a bunch of smugglers, what did you expect?

I think two more players are needed for Pod's game.

On 10/10/2018 at 3:43 AM, Bertie Wooster said:

Not really sure how to read Vivovics and GNIP. I thought their silence was suspicious, but maybe they just don't have anything to discuss. We did go off on a serious rabbit trail.

I am sort of into the gambling, because before the cards and roulette stuff no one was talking, and no information was out there. On the other hand, I don't know if it is wise to give up your vote due to a game of chance. There are seven smugglers and four baddies. A random vote is more likely to kill an innocent smuggler* than an Imperial loyalist.

For this reason, LP and Pod are not above my suspicions.** I have a feeling Matt is OK, although he did "sabotage" (ha ha) this mystery by suggesting Pazaak, he was also the first person to stick his neck out and start the conversation.

I will vote for someone before the countdown is up.

*An oxymoron, I know.

**I mean, Pod lured four of us into playing a roulette game where we don't even know what the stakes are. How suspicious is that?

On 10/10/2018 at 3:55 AM, Bertie Wooster said:

Now that I think about it, I think I will have to opt out of your roulette game, @PodRacer , until I know more details.

On 10/10/2018 at 4:28 AM, Bertie Wooster said:

Actually, I just thought of a reason why Matt may be suspect too. But I don't want to say it until I sleep on it and have time to think.

My initial thought was that Matt basically spoke up first once the game started, when we were all like "role confirmed" nervously, he started talking about Pazaak and got the conversation started. It made him stand out, which doesn't seem like something you want to do if you're a baddie.

However, it's just a hypothesis. With holes. Ovino and LTD were also talkative last game.

On 10/10/2018 at 12:04 PM, Bertie Wooster said:

That's what I meant. I initially suspected talkative people = town in this game, but now I have my doubts. Sorry I wasn't clear, I was sleepy.

On 10/10/2018 at 1:29 PM, Bertie Wooster said:

I dunno. Maybe you both are scum (Agent + Agent, or Saboteur + Agent), and were going to vote the same way anyway. Maybe the Pazaak vote was meant to conceal a vote.

On 10/10/2018 at 1:36 PM, Bertie Wooster said:

##vote Lord Preyer

On 10/10/2018 at 4:09 PM, Bertie Wooster said:

As you wish.

On 10/10/2018 at 5:58 PM, Bertie Wooster said:

Agents know who the saboteur is. That's about it.

Matt trying so hard to protect LP looks suspicious to me because you don't know who anyone is, unless Matt is an agent and LP is saboteur. If LP is town, I will have a hard time guessing on Day 2. But I think LP is scum, more likely than not.

On 10/10/2018 at 7:42 PM, Bertie Wooster said:

I would like to hear a defense from @Visovics . I am not voting for him yet, but considering it.

On 10/10/2018 at 7:49 PM, Bertie Wooster said:

We really need to get six votes on someone before the timer is up though. Town cannot afford a random death.

On 10/11/2018 at 12:03 AM, Bertie Wooster said:

We are all in the same Ready room, and no response in the past ten hours?

##unvote

##vote @Visovics

Your fate is one coin flip away.

On 10/11/2018 at 12:13 AM, Bertie Wooster said:

In case anyone missed it...Visovics is dead. Clon's coin flip decided it.

On 10/11/2018 at 12:25 AM, Bertie Wooster said:

Do you mean Visovics is allowed to reveal his role? If so, that was also my impression.

On 10/11/2018 at 1:16 AM, Bertie Wooster said:

Don't forget clon suspected me for smiling too wide.

On 10/11/2018 at 3:57 AM, Bertie Wooster said:

We will need EVERY town vote (6/10) or a mix of town and scum votes in order to kill someone. That's unfortunate.

On 10/11/2018 at 3:58 AM, Bertie Wooster said:

That wasn't a response to your post, Caldias, just something I realized.

19 hours ago, Bertie Wooster said:

Sorry, I am still kinda salty about switching my vote to Visovics. So I don't want to respond or vote in anger right now.

Also, I kept changing my mind about people on Day 1, so I want to think a bit more today before I speak.

Does anyone want to join a therapy group for "town who accidentally killed innocent people in Mafia"? LOL

19 hours ago, Bertie Wooster said:

I am not actually depressed by the way. I'll be good in a few hours.

15 hours ago, Bertie Wooster said:

We started with 7 crew/town. 6 crew are still alive.

14 hours ago, Bertie Wooster said:

OK, I will talk.

Matt wondered why I seem to suspect everyone but GNIP. As for Gengis, I pointed out that "my emperor's holy balls" comment seemed odd, but Gengis clarified and I accepted. I joined Pod's roulette game, but then after seeing the result of the "innocent" Pazaak game, I wondered if the roulette had a secret twist to it. Pod clarified this also, and I accepted.

The game between LP and Matt began to seem suspicious to me after thinking about the "lose your vote" conditions. GNIP was the first to point this out, and he has already waxed eloquently about why this is so. So I have no reason to suspect GNIP. Everything GNIP has said and done seems like normal town behavior to me. Starting the LP train looks more like a smart town play than a scum play.

I switched my vote to Visovics because I thought his silence was suspicious. I was wrong. I don't want to make that mistake again by voting for Jabbawookie.

Nothing seems more suspicious now than Matt's defense of LP, for reasons already discussed. Maybe I can write more about that later. But I am pretty sure my vote is going to be for LP this day.

14 hours ago, Bertie Wooster said:

Now wait a minute, I just looked at page 5 again. GNIP wasn't the first person to vote for LP, it was Visovics. I've been taking Matt's word for it that GNIP started the LP train, but it was Visovics who voted first. And we know he was innocent.

So what reason do we have to suspect GNIP?

10 hours ago, Bertie Wooster said:

##vote Matt3412

He's even more suspicious than LP.

6 hours ago, Bertie Wooster said:

...

Well, it's too late now I guess, but here was my reasoning at the time:

Possibility 1: LP is Saboteur, and Matt (Agent) is defending him.

Possibility 2: LP is NOT Saboteur, Matt (Agent) knows it, but he's defending him in order to reverse -psychologize us into killing LP, realizing he's town, and then trusting Matt afterwards.

Since Matt was Agent in both my scenarios, he seemed like the safer choice.

I'm honestly not sure that LP is scum now, but I have no solutions. I just read the past five pages and my mind was BLOWN.

7 hours ago, Lord Preyer said:

@GhostofNobodyInParticular - what’s your read now?

Well, I still maintain that it would have been smarter to lynch you, with the information we had at the time. Given, however, that Matt was town, the odds of you being the saboteur is much reduced. I maintain that gambling your vote away is a silly move, and am still open to voting you for it.

However, I am also willing to look in other directions for now, and lay aside, if only for a short while perhaps, my voting on you.

As such, of the rest of the players, I most suspect CV, for the reason that he was far too aggressive in taking votes, even before he was voted. He claimed that he wanted to be voted to prove his alignment, and that it was alright because town would still be 1 vote ahead. He's now complaining that we blew it yesterday and that we are now at only 1 vote ahead.

If he were town, I find it odd that he would be so eager to die for a cause in lieu of Matt or you (LP) when his death only proved his alignment, and one of the other two would help grant clarity to the Matt-LP theory.

After him, Caldias, Jabba, and clon all tumble together. Cal for being largely quite and not contributing very much, Jabba for being quite, and clon for being so detached from the events that he (seemingly literally) flipped a coin to decide whom to vote for. However, none of these reads are very strong, hence why they have been jumbled together despite the differences in reason and amount of suspicion - they are all too low to rank into any better order at this time.

On 10/7/2018 at 8:59 PM, clontroper5 said:

*casually slips in*

All Clon up to 50 post max

On 10/9/2018 at 10:31 AM, clontroper5 said:

## role confirmed

On 10/9/2018 at 3:30 PM, clontroper5 said:

The secret, us to use your own personal deck stacked with double sided cards!

On 10/9/2018 at 6:08 PM, clontroper5 said:

I think the Fact you are SOOO happy after our ship was sabotaged looks suspicious...

I mean no could possibly have a smile that big!

On 10/9/2018 at 10:37 PM, clontroper5 said:

This sounds crazy, I'm in ..

On 10/9/2018 at 11:26 PM, clontroper5 said:

Well, it appears this sabotage has caused this ship to become some weird gambling ring...

On 10/9/2018 at 11:33 PM, clontroper5 said:

Like playing Pazak, and whatever the force pods thing is...

On 10/9/2018 at 11:45 PM, clontroper5 said:

I think it is all a clever ruse by @Lord Preyer to become the Senate!

Don't Trust him!!!

On 10/10/2018 at 12:24 AM, clontroper5 said:

I normally have to upload pics somewhere before I can put them here (I have a Google plus account dedicated to get forums pictures)

On 10/10/2018 at 12:36 AM, clontroper5 said:

What's happening....

On 10/10/2018 at 1:46 AM, clontroper5 said:

Visovics confirmed on page 2

On 10/10/2018 at 1:47 AM, clontroper5 said:

On 10/10/2018 at 3:28 PM, clontroper5 said:

Hmm, interesting... It seems we have some suspision of GNips...

Any particular reason why?

On 10/10/2018 at 4:55 PM, clontroper5 said:

I somewhat agree with Gnips assessment.. (looking at you @Lord Preyer ) however I want to preserve my vote for the time being.

@PodRacer what is this roulette game of yours?

On 10/10/2018 at 6:58 PM, clontroper5 said:

What is vote count?

On 10/10/2018 at 7:35 PM, clontroper5 said:

How many do we need to hammer? 5

On 10/10/2018 at 7:37 PM, clontroper5 said:

Ahh, we need 6

On 10/10/2018 at 7:40 PM, clontroper5 said:

I suppose mis lynching is not bad right now since there won't be murders, plus If I understand correctly we only need to lynch the 1 saboteur or whatever he is...

This encourages me vote for @Lord Preyer , any rebuttal?

On 10/10/2018 at 7:42 PM, clontroper5 said:

Although on the other hand there are several people actively trying not to vote for the saboteur so maybe they are on the lp train?

But even then there is a decent chance LP is a bad guy and we could potentially get rid of one of those anti-votes...

On 10/10/2018 at 7:45 PM, clontroper5 said:

Matts point about gnips seems valid, perhaps I will join them for now...Hmmm choices why choices...

On 10/10/2018 at 8:38 PM, clontroper5 said:

I think I'm leaning towards vis as well... I thought the pazaak was too funny to kill LP lol

On 10/10/2018 at 8:43 PM, clontroper5 said:

Ok so there is 4 votes on @Lord Preyer or 4 on @Visovics

On 10/10/2018 at 8:44 PM, clontroper5 said:

I going to flip a coin here soon and put a 5th vote on one of them...

On 10/10/2018 at 9:19 PM, clontroper5 said:

Ok I'm going to flip a coin, in the spirit of this gambling ship...

@Lord Preyer , @Visovics

First one to respond gets to call heads or tails, if you win the other person gets my vote

On 10/10/2018 at 9:41 PM, clontroper5 said:

Well I am very certain at this point that this ship a a repurposed casino yacht, it has pazaak, a roulette table apparently. Lots of gambling stuff

On 10/10/2018 at 10:54 PM, clontroper5 said:

By CHEATING YAY!!!

On 10/10/2018 at 11:38 PM, clontroper5 said:

My patience to flip a coin is running thin....

On 10/11/2018 at 12:03 AM, clontroper5 said:

@Lord Preyer , I know your there!

Heads or tails?

Or is @Visovics going to get that privledge?

On 10/11/2018 at 12:04 AM, clontroper5 said:

Heads or tails!!

On 10/11/2018 at 12:05 AM, clontroper5 said:

Type faster!!

On 10/11/2018 at 12:08 AM, clontroper5 said:

I won't be able to do pazaak from my phone,

And congrats you won the toss!

##vote @Visovics

On 10/11/2018 at 12:11 AM, clontroper5 said:

That puts @Visovics at 5 I believe, one more needed

On 10/11/2018 at 12:13 AM, clontroper5 said:

Want to flip for a spot?

On 10/11/2018 at 12:14 AM, clontroper5 said:

Oh I missed that...

On 10/11/2018 at 12:14 AM, clontroper5 said:

Whoops, I was still hoping to hear from him lol

On 10/11/2018 at 12:18 AM, clontroper5 said:

I think this is podracers roulette table, which basically means he thinks your safe

On 10/11/2018 at 12:33 AM, clontroper5 said:

Heads or tails? Why not both!

On 10/11/2018 at 1:23 AM, clontroper5 said:

Lol, that wasn't serious I also don't recall accusing genghis.

I do think LP is suspicious, and a little bit GNIPs,

On 10/11/2018 at 2:20 AM, clontroper5 said:

This is true, he performed a truly magnificent save for you LP

16 hours ago, clontroper5 said:

But perhaps you say that because you KNOW LP is the Saboteur!

Imperial Scum!

16 hours ago, clontroper5 said:

I don't think its MORE likely, but I also don't think it's less likely, due to the complete lack of information any of us have, except the scum. Therefore anyone that claims to know much of anything gains my suspicion, simply because only the scum actually know anything. The rest of us are in the dark

15 hours ago, clontroper5 said:

This is an interesting thought... Hmmm...

See confusion, @The Jabbawookie seems to be the most "low profile" but that might be because of IRL stuff...

15 hours ago, clontroper5 said:

Although perhaps LP is just throwing out more info as he himself is an Agent or saboteur...

15 hours ago, clontroper5 said:

Smoke and Mirrors!

I'm going to go back to coin flipping...

15 hours ago, clontroper5 said:

Hey! I'm sharing my suspicions!!

And maybe I like twoface...

15 hours ago, clontroper5 said:

So I'm at work right now so can't go back and review everything, but here are my current thoughts.

I personally don't think the super quiet players are dangerous (although they may be the Saboteur)

I suspect the louder players are Agents trying to cause confusion by accusations and diverting attention. This makes @Lord Preyer and @Matt3412 my biggest suspects. I originally suspected @GhostofNobodyInParticular (and still do a little) but less then the other 2. I also suppose that @Gengis Jon and @Bertie Wooster could be trying to distract. Especially @Gengis Jon who is targeting LP pretty hard still...

I suppose I should acknowledge myself, I have been vocal and some what sporadic... So I guess that could seem distracting?

Anyway my prime suspects are @Lord Preyer , @Matt3412 and @Gengis Jon . As imperial agents. No clue who is the Saboteur

14 hours ago, clontroper5 said:

But what if, as LP pointed out, the scum are questioning the Saboteur intentionally trying to throw us off threw that logic?

14 hours ago, clontroper5 said:

Can someone on a computer update the votes?

14 hours ago, clontroper5 said:

Upon review, This statement has me more and more suspicious.

Matt, points out that the scum will try to avoid a saboteur train (true) and points out there has been so much pressure on him the chances of him being saboteur is very low, I disagree with this... And then Matt continues to try and divert attention away from LP (while pointing this out at himself, perhaps to try and appear innocent?)

For this reason I propose we hammer Matt, if he proves to be scum we can then move to kill LP as the likly saboteur the next day. If Matt proves innocent it would then show he was just being LPs friend I guess. Basically if LP is bad, I think Matt is bad. And Vic a versa. But otherwise I suspect both to be innocent...

Thoughts?

14 hours ago, clontroper5 said:

" points   out there has been so much pressure on him" this is supposed to refer to LP, like Matt is pointing out pressure on LP

14 hours ago, clontroper5 said:

" points   out there has been so much pressure on him" this is supposed to refer to LP, like Matt is pointing out pressure on LP

Remaining Clon.

14 hours ago, clontroper5 said:

Personally it's because I think Matt is acting more suspicious and I feel is more likely to be bad, therefore I think it's safer to lynch him then go on to lynch LP if Matt is scum.

I otherwise pretty much think LP is innocent except for Matt's defense of him. I guess we could go the other way, I just have a bad feeling about Matt lol

13 hours ago, clontroper5 said:

Where though? That's all I got other then flipping coins and picking someone randomly...

13 hours ago, clontroper5 said:

Maybe GNIPs...

13 hours ago, clontroper5 said:

@Matt3412 But what to we have to go on for those people? Any reason? Or just shooting in the dark somewhere else?

12 hours ago, clontroper5 said:

I would say Pazaak was the creator of the Matt-Lp narrative...

12 hours ago, clontroper5 said:

Well, Imo, we should resolve the Matt-LP narrative, as if we do something else I still think we will come back to the same issue latter, might as well fix it now.

12 hours ago, clontroper5 said:

This leads me to want to jump on a train,LP seems to have accepted his death, something i have seen him do as town multiple times...it doesn't mean he is innocent, just lowers my suspicion... Matt however looks very fishy to me.

I still want to hammer Matt, but if I can't sway enough people I will vote for LP,

what say you?

11 hours ago, clontroper5 said:

VOTE TALLY

Matt3412 - PodRacer
Lord Preyer: PodRacer, Gengis Jon , Caldias, The Jabbawookie

GhostofNobodyInParticular: Matt3412

The Jabbawookie: Matt3412

Gengis Jon: Lord Preyer, Matt3412

Matt3412: Gengis  Jon, clontroper5

11 hours ago, clontroper5 said:

added my vote for Matt

11 hours ago, clontroper5 said:

@Lord Preyer , do you believe Matt is innocent?

11 hours ago, clontroper5 said:

So you are leaning away from Matt?

If we flip a coin on a random quiet person would enough of us join to kill said person?

How about this lets agree to do some rng. Let's choose our suspects (the "quiet" poeple) and then agree to vote for someone

11 hours ago, clontroper5 said:

Ok so let's put @The Jabbawookie , @constantine Vader on our RNG list. Should we add anyone else?

I think pod has been active except recently when he has stated IRL stuff in the way, Gnips has been his regular activity I think. At least he responds reasonably well. Anyone else?

11 hours ago, clontroper5 said:

So I am trying to figure out a good fair RNG, for the forum (unless you will trust my IRL coin flips lol) I'm thinking something like take their dates of entry to the ffg website, and add them together then divide by 3 or something and if it's an odd number or even number etc...

11 hours ago, clontroper5 said:

The other way would require a PM (with mod permission) I.e. I would pm the result (heads/tails) to let's say @Lord Preyer , then someone else would say, for example, if heads @The Jabbawookie dies. Then I and @Lord Preyer could confirm heads/ tails...

11 hours ago, clontroper5 said:

Oh Hi Valdor! We were just contemplating gambling over your death!

11 hours ago, clontroper5 said:

Well he agrees, all in favor of voting for @Constantine Valdor say Aye!

11 hours ago, clontroper5 said:

Or we can go and hammer Matt

11 hours ago, clontroper5 said:

Gah, I wish I was an imperial... I hate having to be a smuggler...

11 hours ago, clontroper5 said:

The main thing is, I got nothing "shrug" so any vote for me feels pretty random so I am willing to make a random one. That said I still have my vote on Matt currently

10 hours ago, clontroper5 said:

Don't worry, no one has even voted for. And like 3 of us were thinking of putting a 50% shot at voting for you. Your actually pretty safe...

10 hours ago, clontroper5 said:

Well, maybe your not so safe lol

10 hours ago, clontroper5 said:

Gnips is voting for you

10 hours ago, clontroper5 said:

I think we are missing someone...

10 hours ago, clontroper5 said:

Ahh, now everyone has voted

10 hours ago, clontroper5 said:

Also @PodRacer , if you think cal is worse why vote for LP?

10 hours ago, clontroper5 said:

I can't miss This opportunity...

*DO IT!*

10 hours ago, clontroper5 said:

*You did the right thing... He was too dangerous*

10 hours ago, clontroper5 said:

I think that's a hammer

10 hours ago, clontroper5 said:

Soooo.... Now what?

Do we wait for LTD or do we just have Matt tell us what he is and move on?

9 hours ago, clontroper5 said:

Hmmm, sorry Matt I thought you were Scum.

Well I am going to give LP a pass for now...

9 hours ago, clontroper5 said:

Well I am an imperial... Normally at least I don't know... This game is giving Me identity issues..

7 hours ago, clontroper5 said:

You think I'm the Saboteur now? That's seems far fetched to me haha, I could see arguing scum but THEE SABOTEUR?

You will have to explain yourself @Lord Preyer when you wake up

6 hours ago, clontroper5 said:

All mafia games from now on day one

Podracer: ##vote Ebon!

Ebonhawk: what the heck! I was going to put this rivalry behind us but since you Insist! ##vote pod

(Some time later)

Lord preyer: I have examined the conversation so far, here are my thoughts {insert comprehensive breakdown of posts to that point}

Gengis Jon: {quotes part of breakdown} hmmm this looks suspicious...

(Next day)

Lord preyer: dang we got the wrong guy, let me review everything...

Gengis Jon: {points out a possible flaw in breakdown} ##vote Lord preyer,

I am back from my travels, but heading to bed.

Thanks for doing the paperwork while I was AFK.

On 10/7/2018 at 8:57 PM, The Jabbawookie said:

In.

@Matt3412

@EbonHawk

@ovinomanc3r

@clontroper5

@Onidsen

@Gengis Jon

All jabba

On 10/7/2018 at 9:02 PM, The Jabbawookie said:

Oh yeah!

@sirfrancisdubois

ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn

@Lord Preyer

On 10/9/2018 at 3:24 AM, The Jabbawookie said:

##role confirmed

On 10/9/2018 at 8:10 PM, The Jabbawookie said:

Pazaak? Now? We’re scrabblin’ for our lives, boys! It’s like my sweet ma always said: “son, if you want to stop the water, plug up the spigot. If you want to stop the starvation, fix the hyperdrive!” So let’s crack some more crates.

On 10/10/2018 at 4:58 AM, The Jabbawookie said:

And both were scum. There are holes, but that's not one.

On 10/10/2018 at 8:42 PM, The Jabbawookie said:

Vis is a pretty experienced player. If he's town and we kill him that's a serious blow for us. Talk, @Visovics .

On 10/11/2018 at 1:16 AM, The Jabbawookie said:

To be fair, I’ve only made a suggestion against picking a more experienced player D1 in case he flipped town, which he did. The conversation and lack of a night cycle leave me with no idea where to go from there.

15 hours ago, The Jabbawookie said:

Sorry I’ve been unresponsive guys; preparing for exams irl. I’m suspicious of Visovics voters 2, 3 and 4; @PodRacer , @Matt3412 and @Lord Preyer . We must have some scum in that train. Matt and Pod have been talkative and contributing for most of the game, Preyer’s been trying to not get killed for gambling. So I’d probably go for Preyer, even though this game is less fun without him. I also understand I’ve been behaving in a manner perfect for scummarining, and if that kills me I understand. In any case, it’s past time I threw out a vote:

##vote Lord Preyer

9 hours ago, The Jabbawookie said:

Did LTD mention roles beyond town and isolated traitors? Just knowing there is a cop would be useful. We need more empirical evidence to go on; nobody knows anything about anyone else and we lack a day/night cycle, so it's just hunches and evidence based on other people's hunches.

9 hours ago, The Jabbawookie said:

Now, unfortunately, this is what anyone can say. We can't do something wild like a mass claim either.

You know what? I wanna put pressure somewhere nobody's explored. Talk to me, BW.

##vote @Bertie Wooster

8 hours ago, The Jabbawookie said:

Oops, looks like you've done a fair bit of talking. My bad. ##unvote... for now.

I'd like to work under a "guilty until proven innocent" protocol here, because we have a decent chance of catching scum through sheer RNG. For myself, I've got my impeccable voting record. Can I hear reasons from the rest of you why there isn't a 44% chance of you being scum?

8 hours ago, The Jabbawookie said:

Which is interesting from a town standpoint, because you didn't know Matt was innocent and if you actually died, nothing good would be accomplished. Granted it makes no sense from a scum standpoint either, I'm just curious as to your reasoning.

8 hours ago, The Jabbawookie said:

That's a risk we're guaranteed to take, but we don't need to take it with you. I'm actually more interested in an explanation of the hammer you mentioned trying to take for Matt.

8 hours ago, The Jabbawookie said:

And LP, since you're here; what's your defense?

1 hour ago, The Jabbawookie said:

I don’t know if CV is our best shot or not right now. I really want to hit from an unexpected angle, because there’s a distinct lack of vocal concern out there rn (LP vs Gengis excluded.) That almost leads me to think scum is sitting back while we dig our graves. Unexpected targets would be:

Bertie Wooster

He’s been reasonable so far. His name just isn’t appearing much, not my first pick to lynch. Probably a worse choice than CV.

Caldias

A lot of what he’s said is open information already, and he’s been overall pretty quiet (pot to kettle...). Having watched a game or two where he was scum and comparing his contributions then with now, I’d be very on board with killing him.

PodRacer

His judgement has made a lot more sense to me this game. Maybe I’m just beginning to appreciate his playstyle, or maybe it’s a scumtell of some sort. Better choice than BW, worse than Caldias IMO.

Basic analysis:

- Cal looks quieter than usual but is thoughtful throughout. Cautious plays marking a pretty Town-ish attitude after all.

- Bertie was more active than I had thought. Unsure what his take on the game is though.

- CV also posted more in quantity but I still have a slightly fishy smell in my nose as I read them

- Clon is highly engaged but more into his Coin of Death than more traditional methods (which are admittedly very hard because of the scenario!) and so there is a question of engagement on the content level

- Jabba only did 15 posts (but said he has study and exams). Worth rereading them all.

Some interesting points to ponder whilst I play my Vassal tourney game.

1 hour ago, Lord Preyer said:

- CV also posted more in quantity but I still have a slightly fishy smell in my nose as I read them

Yes, because clon, Matt, and GJ i think it was, suspected me for being quite ?
oh and I got a Kill Team night at flgs so gonna be online later at night (not lying, ask Pod, been playing KT before mafia starts)

I will be playing Armada at CAPA Cup tomorrow, and won't be posting much tomorrow (probably only once or twice tonight)

After reading through all those posts (thanks LP) I think CV seems most likely right now, but we have time to vote.

CV's "vote me and you'll regret it" post seems especially fishy. Then again, Matt's made some very similar posts.

I have thought GNIP, Clon, Jabba, GJ, and Cal have all seemed like town for most of this game. (I even came to GNIP's defense at one point.) When they post they seem to have reasonable arguments. But at least one of them MUST be scum. Probably multiple, because I don't think everyone else is scum (LP, CV, Pod). Of course I know I am town.

@Lord Preyer so why do you think I might be the Saboteur?

So upon review I have changed my read of GNIPS, I definitely think he is on our team.

Players I think are good guys, @GhostofNobodyInParticular , @Lord Preyer , and @PodRacer

possibly good: @Gengis Jon , @Bertie Wooster

Possibly bad: @The Jabbawookie , @Constantine Valdor , @Caldias

Hey guys, work has been nuts and I haven't been super present, so I see that has put my on the naughty list for some of you. Fair enough. My #1 suspect is still Constantine Valdor, for what that's worth. I'll evaluate some more in a little bit.

You’re welcome guys! B

1 hour ago, clontroper5 said:

@Lord Preyer so why do you think I might be the Saboteur?

I think this a bit less since I collated your posts and was able to read them together. I’m basically trying to decide if you’re like me in using flavour and the randomness of the game as a part of your enjoyment of the game or if you are like me as GJ believes me to be - hiding behind the Death Coin because you’re an Imperial!

That said, it makes you a bit too high profile in my mind to be the saboteur so am reducing the likelihood of that in my entirely arbitrary hand-wavy scale.

I was reflecting on the voting danger we’re in at the moment. Any misstep by Town could result in disaster. Just one Town voter voting against one Town player could then activate a scenario whereby a rapid Imperial pile-on ensues and faster than you can say VoteZap Town’s been droid’d. (Although this may be thankfully harder than I first feared as the saboteur doesn’t know who the agents are)

Am trying to think of a solution to this. One idea I had was to consider a super-majority requirement on kills during this DayCycle. For example, we agree that we do not cast our vote (using he ##’s) until we are prepared for that vote to then be the Kill as endorsed by more players than 1 Town + Scum represents.

This may be too complicated to actually enact (and others may have a better/simpler(!) idea on how to practice Town restraint at Lylo but I thought I’d air this in case you think there’s some merit.

7 minutes ago, Lord Preyer said:

I was reflecting on the voting danger we’re in at the moment. Any misstep by Town could result in disaster. Just one Town voter voting against one Town player could then activate a scenario whereby a rapid Imperial pile-on ensues and faster than you can say VoteZap Town’s been droid’d. (Although this may be thankfully harder than I first feared as the saboteur doesn’t know who the agents are)

Am trying to think of a solution to this. One idea I had was to consider a super-majority requirement on kills during this DayCycle. For example, we agree that we do not cast our vote (using he ##’s) until we are prepared for that vote to then be the Kill as endorsed by more players than 1 Town + Scum represents.

This may be too complicated to actually enact (and others may have a better/simpler(!) idea on how to practice Town restraint at Lylo but I thought I’d air this in case you think there’s some merit.

I would look hard at anyone that tries casting a vote without an agreed upon action plan by the other supposed smugglers. We still have the majority for now, but I agree (and have expressed this earlier) that voting is dangerous at lylo.

So are we doing this super majority thing then?

For my part I intend to state who I am intending to vote for but will not cast that vote until it looks like 5 other players concur. This should mean that at least one other Town player should be on side.

I’m waiting on other players to feedback from the rereads (plus make other compilations as they wish!) plus give their takes to see if an argument I find strongly convincing emerges.

For now, my suspect is CV.

whats the counts?

3 minutes ago, PodRacer said:

whats the counts?

I don't think anyone has voted yet. LP did and then unvoted to avoid the choo-choo