well the only thing i got is a list of those who have bought into the Matt-LP Narrative
Creator: Gengis Jon [D2 anyways first to bring it up]
Active followers: (those that appear to still believe this)
Gengis
GNIPS
Bertie [not voted]
Inactive followers: (those that have backtracked or distanced themselves after speculating about it)
Caldias: unvoted
Clon: seems to be entertaining the idea of further exploration [not voted]
I Think the Saboteur is one of con valdor or the Jabb both Very quiet and intentionally not engaging directly in this dispute.
I know Jabb Voted but not on the Matt-LP narrative just that LP was a logical vote.
4 minutes ago, Matt3412 said:well the only thing i got is a list of those who have bought into the Matt-LP Narrative
Creator: Gengis Jon [D2 anyways first to bring it up]
Active followers: (those that appear to still believe this)
Gengis
GNIPS
Bertie [not voted]
Inactive followers: (those that have backtracked or distanced themselves after speculating about it)
Caldias: unvoted
Clon: seems to be entertaining the idea of further exploration [not voted]
And now my work here is truly done, eh GJ? VOTEZAP AWAY!!
12 minutes ago, Matt3412 said:well the only thing i got is a list of those who have bought into the Matt-LP Narrative
Creator: Gengis Jon [D2 anyways first to bring it up]
Active followers: (those that appear to still believe this)
Gengis
GNIPS
Bertie [not voted]
Inactive followers: (those that have backtracked or distanced themselves after speculating about it)
Caldias: unvoted
Clon: seems to be entertaining the idea of further exploration [not voted]
This feels like the sloppy work of someone desperate to cast suspicion and distraction anywhere he can.
You include GNIPs as “actively following” but he hasn’t voted. But you don’t include Pod or Jabba who have voted.
Then you hastily correct and say you know you didn’t include Jabba but somehow he does count because he was just somehow following logic?!
And again, Matt, you completely mischaracterize me as promoting a “Matt-LP narrative” — as if those of us suspicious of you are hanging everything on some kind of collusion between the two of you (even when I had just explicitly pointed out that may not be the case at all.)
20 hours ago, Gengis Jon said:Am I the only one who thinks it’s more than a little sketchy that Matt actually held on to LP’s vote during that last round? Even when he seemed to suggest he might be leaning against LP himself.
I remain leery of both of them. Now more then ever. But I’m still baffled by anyone who would give his vote away.
I remain
##vote LP
Gengis i love you man but here you go
2 hours ago, Bertie Wooster said:Now wait a minute, I just looked at page 5 again. GNIP wasn't the first person to vote for LP, it was Visovics. I've been taking Matt's word for it that GNIP started the LP train, but it was Visovics who voted first. And we know he was innocent.
So what reason do we have to suspect GNIP?
And Matt, you were corrected here about being free and loose with the facts.
And best I can tell you never apologized for casting blame unfairly.
We’re you hoping it would slip under the radar or the others would just forget? Even now while push a new false narrative that I’m somehow the “creator” of concerns around you and LP.
I would say Pazaak was the creator of the Matt-Lp narrative...
Pod vote was pre narrative and a joke look at it.
The jabb i explained it in the post
1 minute ago, Gengis Jon said:And Matt, you were corrected here about being free and loose with the facts.
And best I can tell you never apologized for casting blame unfairly.
We’re you hoping it would slip under the radar or the others would just forget? Even now while push a new false narrative that I’m somehow the “creator” of concerns around you and LP.
lastly i created a list in the order people became suspicious i then BOLD NAMES when they did vote not rearaging the order. this was not a list or order of votes but of suspicion.
We already had a well documented list of votes im not arguing with that at all.
Well, Imo, we should resolve the Matt-LP narrative, as if we do something else I still think we will come back to the same issue latter, might as well fix it now.
This leads me to want to jump on a train,LP seems to have accepted his death, something i have seen him do as town multiple times...it doesn't mean he is innocent, just lowers my suspicion... Matt however looks very fishy to me.
I still want to hammer Matt, but if I can't sway enough people I will vote for LP,
what say you?
Mob mentality is Brutal isn't it @Lord Preyer
I know im town and he claims he is
at best the town will be 3-5 and at worst 4-4 at the end of both us dieing which is a game over for town
May i interest anyone in a game of Pazaak?? lol
Clon — you’re right about LP and “accepting” his fate. It was giving me some pause as well. But I haven’t played with him enough to know if he’s done the same thing as scum.
What I do know is when Matt’s been innocent but under suspicion he’s been quick to fall on his sword in name of helping town.
He’s not doing that this time.
And, well, there’s all these other red flags.
so...
##unvote
##vote Matt
6 minutes ago, clontroper5 said:This leads me to want to jump on a train,LP seems to have accepted his death, something i have seen him do as town multiple times...it doesn't mean he is innocent, just lowers my suspicion... Matt however looks very fishy to me.
I still want to hammer Matt, but if I can't sway enough people I will vote for LP,
what say you?
I have accepted my death. We do need to move on - Scum are either/and pushing Pazaak/laying low from all this for a reason. Anyway, I will flip Town. I believe that wittingly or unwittingly GJ has tunnelled and distracted through his fixation. I think this is because he is an agent.
Let’s get this over with.
2 minutes ago, Gengis Jon said:Clon — you’re right about LP and “accepting” his fate. It was giving me some pause as well. But I haven’t played with him enough to know if he’s done the same thing as scum.
What I do know is when Matt’s been innocent but under suspicion he’s been quick to fall on his sword in name of helping town.
He’s not doing that this time.
And, well, there’s all these other red flags.
so...
##unvote
##vote Matt
I haven’t done the same thing as Scum but to be fair, I will have from now on because to not do so will be a tell! But that means it will be factored in. So I shouldn’t. But that means reverse psychology means...
ARRRGH! Why is there so much WINE IN FRONT OF ME!?
I am by actually standing up for LP voting for me completely breaks the logic that i'm protecting the saboteur???
for anyhope of town ##unvote
##Vote @Gengis Jon The Fact that your going to Plow us over is quite Amazing to watch [amazing as an agent] [misguided if a fellow 7]
VOTE TALLY
Matt3412 -
PodRacer
Lord Preyer: PodRacer, Gengis Jon,
Caldias,
The Jabbawookie
GhostofNobodyInParticular:
Matt3412
The Jabbawookie:
Matt3412
Gengis Jon: Lord Preyer, Matt3412
VOTE TALLY
Matt3412 -
PodRacer
Lord Preyer: PodRacer,
Gengis Jon
,
Caldias,
The Jabbawookie
GhostofNobodyInParticular:
Matt3412
The Jabbawookie:
Matt3412
Gengis Jon: Lord Preyer, Matt3412
Matt3412: Gengis Jon
put your vote in there now gengis
VOTE TALLY
Matt3412 -
PodRacer
Lord Preyer: PodRacer,
Gengis Jon
,
Caldias,
The Jabbawookie
GhostofNobodyInParticular:
Matt3412
The Jabbawookie:
Matt3412
Gengis Jon: Lord Preyer, Matt3412
Matt3412: Gengis Jon, clontroper5
added my vote for Matt
@Lord Preyer , do you believe Matt is innocent?
1 minute ago, Matt3412 said:I am by actually standing up for LP voting for me completely breaks the logic that i'm protecting the saboteur???
for anyhope of town ##unvote
##Vote @Gengis Jon The Fact that your going to Plow us over is quite Amazing to watch [amazing as an agent] [misguided if a fellow 7]
Hmmmn.
It is amazing to watch.
And it even gives me pause on is GJ an agent after all?
Whatever he is, I do NOT think GJ is the saboteur.
I think @Caldias may be laughing right now (either a chortling Lord Commander in Final Space style evil laugh) or a Professor Cuthbert Calculus in Tintin oh-you-poor-lesser-minds laugh.
I also think we know who is being quiet and we should be VERY SUSPICIOUS OF THEM! @clontroper5 if ever there were a time to flip The Coin of Death on one of the quiet ones now would be it!
Matt, you can call me a plower or tunneler (or maybe even a fiendishly cunning super evil genius?!) but I’ve simply been following the only good reasons I can find for voting for anyone.
I remain frustrated by the lack of clues and hard evidence provided by night kills... and frankly, the lack scumcat... bc at least you know scum are coordinating and can try to tease that out.
This all feels very... thin at best. But it’s the best I got at the moment. If you’re not scum, Matt, I’ll be sorry to see you go. Hel l, I’ll be sorry to see you go regardess.