No!

12 hours ago, Gengis Jon said:

Hey guys,

So I’m going sit on the sidelines for a bit. LP’s opening note responding to me has thrown me for a bit of a loop. My read is that I’ve actually upset him IRL. I’ve been playing aggressively, yes, but it’s only been intended as good fun.

LP, truly sorry my man. I have nothing but respect for you and appreciate you calling out what felt like an unfair pursuit.

Not in a spirit of arguing or defensivess, but just to provide some better awareness, please allow me to offer this up: we’ve only played three games together (not four). The first was also my first game of mafia and I was feeling my through learning the game of the fly. I went after you bc you seemed funny and smart and could roll with the punches. I also went after Ebon pretty agreesively as well, if you recall. But I never lynched you and always went with the votes that made sense. My second game, yes I checked you out on round 1 bc I figured you’d be a target, for good or bad, and then protected you for the rest of game. This time around my tenacity really has been rooted in the facts I outlined (not hunches this time), but certainly no personal ill will has been intended.

Quite the opposite, truly.

Ill keep an eye on how things are going and try to vote when things seem to be building to a consensus.

##unvote

Thanks GJ. Really appreciate this. You’re right, it was getting to me probably a wee bit more than it should but that’s likely as much a combination of an intense work week, constant travel, a strange set up that emphasizes limited information and me not being able to achieve the flavor I wanted for this game as anything you’ve said. So for my own part sorry for overreacting!

Also I was sure we played three games before. Sorry for the mistake there too. I do like gaming with you and don’t want you to step back. So I’ll take a deep breath and say: if you think I’m suspicious then go with it! You are entitled to pursue the game your way and follow your leads. I can take it and it’s only a game after all!

Thank you for again though. Really appreciate it!

## vote Caldias

CV - what is your case against Cal please?

2 hours ago, Lord Preyer said:

Thanks GJ. Really appreciate this. You’re right, it was getting to me probably a wee bit more than it should but that’s likely as much a combination of an intense work week, constant travel, a strange set up that emphasizes limited information and me not being able to achieve the flavor I wanted for this game as anything you’ve said. So for my own part sorry for overreacting!

Also I was sure we played three games before. Sorry for the mistake there too. I do like gaming with you and don’t want you to step back. So I’ll take a deep breath and say: if you think I’m suspicious then go with it! You are entitled to pursue the game your way and follow your leads. I can take it and it’s only a game after all!

Thank you for again though. Really appreciate it!

Thanks LP!

I would never want a game — or more accurately, the way I play a game — to make someone feel like they’re not having fun. Just not worth it in my book. The phrase “it’s just a game”should cut both ways as far as I’m concerned.

And sorry to hear it’s been such an intense week. Me too, for what it’s worth. With some time to reflect yesterday I realized that has impacted my own style of play. It’s probably the veteran in me, but when the pressure’s on I tend to get more aggressive. And yeah, I’m totally with you on the low-info parameters of this particular version of mafia being a little crazy-making. The barebones aspect of it have been fascinating and fun, certainly different, but more than a little frustrating too.

Anyway, glad we could work it out.

##vote LP

Kidding!

##unvote

The other benifit of taking a pause from posting yesterday was that it gave me some time for a more careful read through the posts yesterday. (And thank you LP for taking the time to compile those threads! Very helpful.)

I noticed what seems to be an emerging consensus on Con V. I’d like to hear more from those people who think he’s a good candidate for the next vote.

5 hours ago, Gengis Jon said:

I noticed what seems to be an emerging consensus on Con V. I’d like to hear more from those people who think he’s a good candidate for the next vote.

For me, it's not so much that he is a good candidate, but that he is the one I am most suspicious of. I laid out my case earlier, but for a repeat:

His willingness to be voted yesterday, or rather his provocative reaction toward even the mention of being voted, seemed suspicious. He seemed anxious to die to prove his innocence, or at least anxious to be viewed in such a manner. I can't understand why that would be, since it would only be detrimental to town for a townie to die needlessly, or at all. Furthermore, this was at a time when we were all focused on the Matt-LP issue, and his desire to die, being completely separate from any issue, would have only led to a third day focusing on Matt-LP without any helpful information from the dead. It seems to me that his death, and urgent seeking after it, only served to distract us further from actually finding any solution or additional information to settle the aforementioned primary issue.
Additionally, his justification for his being voted, purely to prove posthumously his innocence, was that town would still be ahead by one vote the next day. Now, he is (or was - that is, I believe he mentioned it at the start of the day in a manner that implied disappointment/despairing attempts at rallying) complaining that we are only ahead one vote, and it seems to me that this reaction, from somebody who was willing to pointlessly sacrifice a town life purely to prove that it was town, is out of place.
If he were truly town, why would he want to sacrifice a town life just to prove it town, when no other information would be given, when we were contemplating lynching instead a might-be-scum player who would shed light on the status of a third? It seemed instead an overly dramatic reaction (again - before even one vote had been cast against him) that only ended up distracting us. My suspicious is that this reaction was a bluff, and that he wanted to seem so confident of his innocence that he would offer to die, hoping rather that this show would convince us, or at least frighten us off, so that we did in fact not vote him.

Thus, I am suspicious of him.

@Gnip

How do you like CV's reads?

How do you like CV's reads compared to Cals reads?

All that makes sense to me GNIP.

I was willing to vote for Con yesterday just on the principle of him being MIA for so long — nearly entire day. If you’re not going to play, you should be booted, I reasoned. (I’m realizing now, though, how terribly misguided that was. Lynching town even for a “good” reason is still bad for town.)

When he showed back up I wanted to give him a pass. Life gets busy, I get it.

But his almost perfect timing was kind of suspicious. Plus the lack of “Hey, I’m going to be busy with work/school whatever” ahead of time is also suspicious.

But all the points you’re outlining I think are the most damning.

I was already leaning against CV. GNIPs has good Town cred (bravo if you are Scum sir!) and so further buy his case.

I am now willing to vote for CV and intern to before deadline (subject to a compelling defense/new information of course).

1 hour ago, Gengis Jon said:

All that makes sense to me GNIP.

I was willing to vote for Con yesterday just on the principle of him being MIA for so long — nearly entire day. If you’re not going to play, you should be booted, I reasoned. (I’m realizing now, though, how terribly misguided that was. Lynching town even for a “good” reason is still bad for town.)

When he showed back up I wanted to give him a pass. Life gets busy, I get it.

But his almost perfect timing was kind of suspicious. Plus the lack of “Hey, I’m going to be busy with work/school whatever” ahead of time is also suspicious.

But all the points you’re outlining I think are the most damning.

really, I could add screenshot of my irl activities here if you don't trust my word xD

1 minute ago, Lord Preyer said:

I was already leaning against CV. GNIPs has good Town cred (bravo if you are Scum sir!) and so further buy his case.

I am now willing to vote for CV and intern to before deadline (subject to a compelling defense/new information of course).

So let's see, some says i'm too quite and AFK for a day, ok
and others say I was quite vocal and post a lot, which one is it now, i'm confused

reading all the effort of quoting everybody, and your transparency idea, I rate you very Town LP.
I'm not gonna hold it against you if you wanna vote me
Like I said, I never complained of people voting me

Just look more closely on those who vote me when I get lynched, cause high chance of them being scum.

And for the Caldias case
Eh, something from his post just tips me off, Idk because I'm the new guy or not, but painting me scum just make my blood boils and bragging that he "didn't help to get 2 Townes lynched in 2 days", just feels wrong about that.

And that's my case.

12 minutes ago, Lord Preyer said:

I am now willing to vote for CV and intern to before deadline

Question.

why is the deadline a thought? Town dont lose a man overnight if there's a no lynch...

1 minute ago, PodRacer said:

Question.

why is the deadline a thought? Town dont lose a man overnight if there's a no lynch...

top of page 23 pod, less than 7h left

yeah but til what?

we get a refreshed counter... and play on surely..

13 minutes ago, PodRacer said:

yeah but til what?

we get a refreshed counter... and play on surely..

I believe LTD said there would be an autokill if no one picked.

Just now, Gengis Jon said:

I believe LTD said there would be an autokill if no one picked.

Correct. The droid shoots someone at random.

18 minutes ago, Constantine Valdor said:

So let's see, some says i'm too quite and AFK for a day, ok
and others say I was quite vocal and post a lot, which one is it now, i'm confused

This feels like grasping at straws.

Prepared to cast my vote

##vote Con Val

21 minutes ago, Constantine Valdor said:

bragging that he "didn't help to get 2 Townes lynched in 2 days", just feels wrong about that  .

Dear Sir,

I'm sorry to say the Perfect Voter's Club in not currently accepting new members, but any current member has the right to use their upstanding status to its fullest. We are the best of you rabble, and should not be dismissed lightly.

Yours,

J. Wook, PVC Chairman

9 minutes ago, PodRacer said:

yeah but til what?

we get a refreshed counter... and play on surely..

Town loses when scum equal or outnumber us. So I assume that despite the fact that scum could theoretically all jump on each other, the game would end. After all, if scum equal town, then they can all just announce who they are and ensure a perpetual no-vote, so it makes sense to end the game when they are at a position to do that.

1 hour ago, PodRacer said:

@Gnip

How do you like CV's reads?

How do you like CV's reads compared to Cals reads?

I think they are mixed. I can't really like one over the other, since I agree with parts of them both.

I think BW is town, and so do both of them. I am not sure of Jabba and Clon, but they seem to be midway between scum and town. In this case, Cal and CV are at odds, but since my read lies in between their two, I cannot like either more. I do think Cal is a bit lower down on the town scale though, since his current play does seem reminiscent of his scum play. In this regard, I agree with CV, though with less certainty. However I think GJ is more likely town than not, and in this I agree more with Caldias. I also am not sure where to put you and LP, so I am putting you both with clon and Jabba, though LP is slightly lower, much like GJ is slightly higher.

31 minutes ago, Constantine Valdor said:

So let's see, some says i'm too quite and AFK for a day, ok
and others  say I was quite vocal and post a lot, which one is it now, i'm confuse  d    

Your supposed “confusion” on this is what gives you away, in my opinion.

Clearly, this isn’t a case of some people saying on thing and others saying an opposite thing. This is not a case of either/or, as your defense implies, but really a case of both/and.

Many suspected you initially because of the possibility you were scumarining. No posting for nearly 24 hours is worthy of suspicion, wouldn’t you agree?

That suspicion was then compounded by the tone, volume, and substance of your posts once you were called out.

I’m ready to vote CV. Neither of his defenses has impressed me.

Funny that you two "suddenly" show up and try to discredit my defense. So bold, so educational, so scary woooooo

Town, eyes up on these two, I'm still holding firm on my vote on Caldias
My bet is they gonna continue to persuade you otherwise.

I will be absent when day ends, so I intend to vote within the next couple of hours. At the moment, I still intend to vote for CV.

*With an eye on the zap-o-matic droid’s countdown timer...*

If someone has a better suspect please voice it now. We have to get this one right.

Otherwise, if you’re ready to vote for Con Val, add you’re name to this list so we can be clear on our supermajority:

Ready: Gengis Jon, Jabba,

I have a busy day still, not sure how much I can post today but it seems we have a pretty good concenses on cv

## vote CV