Yeah, I don’t mind at all. Mixing stormies and snow troopers. It looks cool to me. Painted my snowtroopers as galactic marnies, doing my next one in royal blue. Do what you want in home games. In tournament play don’t expect your opponent to not mix them lol. I don’t mind it at all, it’s A LOT more appealing to me than Warhammer with dwarves with muskets and all the whacky looking stuff they have that doesn’t look like it fits at all...

38 minutes ago, ryanabt said:

Are beaches considered hostile environments now?

1 hour ago, ryanabt said:

Are beaches considered hostile environments now?

looks pretty detrimental for survival to me.

4 hours ago, ryanabt said:

You seem, like me come from a wargaming background where we value modeling and theme. Alas...

Indeed I do, unlike the vast majority in here. I understand why FGG went the route they did, I just wish they hadn't... As for not finishing bases off, my background is in historical gaming and not having finished bases is the ultimate sin.

Personnally, in every game that I play, I always prefer and try to run a thematic army. So, since I decided to build an Endor Army, I won't use the Snowtroopers, E-Web gunners and soon to come Royal Guard.

That being said, I'm glad that FFG decided to include them in the game soon, because not everyone is like me and love to run thematic army; and I'm pretty sure that there is players interested in building a thematic army around Hoth. More options for theme is always better, if my Endor Army goes against a Hoth army, it will not be a mirror match (which is probably the thing that hate the most in miniature gaming).

9 hours ago, ryanabt said:

None of these deal with the issue as I stated it. Why do I have stormtroopers in regular gear and snowtroopers in cold weather (or whatever you want to imagine it as) gear in the same army? If a hazardous environment exists, why is only half my army ready?

As stated earlier, I wish they had gone with storm trooper styling for all troops until later waves and come out with the same exact units but with Hoth motif.

I think this does come down to what others have said. I come from a WHFB background and want fluff and options. FFG comes from boardgame perspective and although this is their delve into true tabletop miniatures gaming, they aren't there yet on expectations such as modeling options, theme, etc.

Dude, I played WH40K since rogue trader and Fantasy since third edition.....I get your point. Many a time I got all riled up because I didn't have that single plasma pistol I needed for my assault troops...lol.

Im actually happy FFG took this approach. I don't want to spent tons of cash and painting time duplicating an army simply because of looks. I'm perfectly happy mixing troops, and this is supported in universe by several sources as has been pointed out.

11 hours ago, Cal B said:

This is the part that is annoying, it has been a known problem forever. Clear bases would solve this 100% but only third parties are making them at big $$$

I know its just my knee jerk reaction - but I still think it is about as immersion-breaking as Snowtroopers on Tatooine

Mine are based with grass flocking and tufts. Edges painted green. If they came with clear bases, I STILL would flock them and edge them. But then, I don't get my 'immersion' from playing these games....

13 hours ago, ryanabt said:

You seem, like me come from a wargaming background where we value modeling and theme. Alas...

Well, you're right. Some of us, like myself, were introduced to hobby wargaming by Legion. Maybe you have a perfect plan for your army aesthetics, but I sure don't. I'm just learning the basics of painting and basing, and I like to have fun trying new things.

I like the options between different units. I got tired of painting more white armor, so I committed the ultimate sin and did non-canon paint jobs. The snowies have totally different style options in my mind, so I love it, and have no problem calling them assault troopers because mechanics-wise, they are.

Themed armies are great, but not everyone has the time, money, or experience for that. I just want to pretend my cool looking spacemen toys are shooting each other. You do you, I'll do me. No need for elitist gatekeeping.

14 hours ago, ryanabt said:

None of these deal with the issue as I stated it. Why do I have stormtroopers in regular gear and snowtroopers in cold weather (or whatever you want to imagine it as) gear in the same army? If a hazardous environment exists, why is only half my army ready?

Basic stormtrooper armor will protect you from space, compared to which any planet capable of sustaining life is not that hazardous. The Hoth gear and Tatooine gear and stuff makes things easier but it's not like they'd be too cold or hot to fight there in normal stormtrooper armor.

14 hours ago, ryanabt said:

I think this does come down to what others have said. I come from a WHFB background and want fluff and options. FFG comes from boardgame perspective and although this is their delve into true tabletop miniatures gaming, they aren't there yet on expectations such as modeling options, theme, etc.

Well the game hasn't existed long enough to have more... Although wasting large percentages of the available game by releasing highly specific units like Palpatine is weird.

On 10/5/2018 at 9:01 PM, Cal B said:

This is the part that is annoying, it has been a known problem forever. Clear bases would solve this 100% but only third parties are making them at big $$$

I know its just my knee jerk reaction - but I still think it is about as immersion-breaking as Snowtroopers on Tatooine

The only solution is to not play with strangers at stores but to play as part of an organized gaming group where you and your opponent agree on what to do. Otherwise you must deal with mismatched basing between armies and the board, and illogical army matchups like Banthas vs. Ewoks.

Clear bases are really, really easy to mess up with little dabs of superglue. And like clear flying stands they are always "still there". I'd paint and flock clear bases. If you really want invisible bases you need them to be thin or gently beveled, and painted/flocked with the same material as your gaming table. Even among really hardcore gamers this is rarely achieved.

53 minutes ago, Qwrety77 said:

Themed armies are great, but not everyone has the time, money, or experience for that. I just want to pretend my cool looking spacemen toys are shooting each other.

Well... a themed 800 point army for Legion would cost me less than a 2,000 point boxed army for 40k cost in 1998 and that's without even adjusting for inflation! This game is dirt cheap. And as for time, with speed painting web tutorials nowadays, a newbie can paint the core game in a week or so if they want to.

1 hour ago, Qwrety77 said:

Well, you're right. Some of us, like myself, were introduced to hobby wargaming by Legion. Maybe you have a perfect plan for your army aesthetics, but I sure don't. I'm just learning the basics of painting and basing, and I like to have fun trying new things.

I like the options between different units. I got tired of painting more white armor, so I committed the ultimate sin and did non-canon paint jobs. The snowies have totally different style options in my mind, so I love it, and have no problem calling them assault troopers because mechanics-wise, they are.

Themed armies are great, but not everyone has the time, money, or experience for that. I just want to pretend my cool looking spacemen toys are shooting each other. You do you, I'll do me. No need for elitist gatekeeping.

I am sorry if my post to someone else seemed elitist. I simply meant that my background in gaming taught values of theme, et al. Not that other backgrounds were worse.

I am always happy for others to play and to do so in a way they enjoy.

44 minutes ago, TauntaunScout said:

Well... a themed 800 point army for Legion would cost me less than a 2,000 point boxed army for 40k cost in 1998 and that's without even adjusting for inflation! This game is dirt cheap.

or you know...

the other one is overpriced.

12 hours ago, Abwehrschlacht said:

As for not finishing bases off, my background is in historical gaming and not having finished bases is the ultimate sin.

This is so funny to me, because given the diversity of settings we need to play in Legion it just looks wrong to have troopers based on grass when they're on Hoth, or based on show when playing on Tatooine!

I've ended up making a generic grey drit/sand ish looking base for mine... I suspect some folks think it's unfinished, but it's the only finish I can possibly stand! xD

16 hours ago, ryanabt said:

Are beaches considered hostile environments now?

They are to Anakin.

5 hours ago, Geressen said:

or you know...

the other one is overpriced.

Those two things can both be true. Some people can't afford a wargame. But it never ceases to amaze me how I know people who will drop a couple hundred dollars on a weekend of drinking, and yet when they see the miniatures aisle of a store they think that "those little guys are so expensive!". In the grand scheme of grown up pastimes, Legion's dirt cheap. Two core sets and a themed 800 point army built entirely from expansions, plus paint and glue, costs less than getting fast food a couple times a week for a year.

11 hours ago, CaptainRocket said:

This is so funny to me, because given the diversity of settings we need to play in Legion it just looks wrong to have troopers based on grass when they're on Hoth, or based on show when playing on Tatooine!

I've ended up making a generic grey drit/sand ish looking base for mine... I suspect some folks think it's unfinished, but it's the only finish I can possibly stand! xD

I think this is the point of the thread, if FFG had released sets based on a theme, rather than a scatter gun approach designed to appeal to the collectors and board gamers, people would be freer to base thematically.

My Legion figures are based for my gaming table, on grass, therefore I won't be buying any Snowtroopers (I don't care what the EU calls them, they've been Snowtroopers to me since 1980...) and if I want the E-Web, I'll have to get more stormtroopers to crew it or it will just look weird with the rest of my Imperial force:

Not that there's anything wrong with FFG having a business model, but it's not a hard thing to achieve: If you have several themes, you can actually sell even more figures: the commanders can be made for each of the different themes, Endor, Hoth, etc. meaning people will buy a couple of each, most likely, instead of a single figure. Maybe we'll see this in the future (I want a cut of profits if they use my idea though...), but I'll not hold my breath.

3 hours ago, Abwehrschlacht said:

Not that there's anything wrong with FFG having a business model, but it's not a hard thing to achieve: If you have several themes, you can actually sell even more figures: the commanders can be made for each of the different themes, Endor, Hoth, etc. meaning people will buy a couple of each, most likely, instead of a single figure. Maybe we'll see this in the future (I want a cut of profits if they use my idea though...), but I'll not hold my breath.

Again, I don't think they've had time. I think when other bases are covered we'll see costume changes for main movie heroes and the like.

@Abwehrschlacht Have you considered converting snowtroopers into more like... Forest Troopers? Idk, just feels like you're limiting yourself

On 10/6/2018 at 12:35 AM, ryanabt said:

Are beaches considered hostile environments now?

have you ever stepped on a jelly fish

2 hours ago, Alino said:

@Abwehrschlacht Have you considered converting snowtroopers into more like... Forest Troopers? Idk, just feels like you're limiting yourself

White helmet and armor plates, black robes. Grim Reapers.

A fan on Thingiverse already made a file of a base, allowing you to convert your turrets when they come out.

https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2962055

It leaves space for you to put whatever troopers you want to behind the gun, with minimal conversion effort.

45 minutes ago, chieftom22 said:

A fan on Thingiverse already made a file of a base, allowing you to convert your turrets when they come out.

https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2962055

It leaves space for you to put whatever troopers you want to behind the gun, with minimal conversion effort.

That's pretty cool.

In theory I'm painting my snow troopers with a camo pattern where the "canvas" parts of the uniform are, and will do the same with my e-web crew.... Making them "swamp troopers." That being said I'd love to see alternative e-web gun crews with either scout or standard stormtrooper armor. And perhaps an imperial Gunner (one of the guys from the Deathstar with the funky Pac-Man helmets) as an attachment to boost...

@melminiatures @Skullforge

so which one of you fine gentlemen is going to be producing alternate gunners be they scouts, stormies, or even gunnery crew?