I love good looking, thematic armies. I recognize not everyone agrees with me on what that means. Hence, I am curious about everyone else's thoughts.

Do you dislike snowtroopers as unit, significantly different in style from stormtroopers? I mean, why are storm troopers and snowtroopers on the same board? If it is that snowy/cold, should the Stormie's have winter gear?

I wish that they had gone a different direction and done storm trooper squads with different poses and heavy weapon upgrades. Then in future years, they could have done Hoth models for all units (Snowtroopers, scouts, etc.). Thinking of similar to Cadian/Catachan in the unnameable game.

The E-web makes this even worse. I want the function of snowtroopers and e-web without models draped in cold weather gear.

If i decide i need stormies on my eweb ill just buy another unit and swap/pose figs.

I agree, I am not interested in the Snow Troopers, but FFG is sticking to the original trilogy for it's releases (ATM and not including the AT-RT and heavy weapons) and there are not that many front line Imperial units to create from those films, so they've gone for the obvious. I do wish there was an option for Stormtrooper crew for the E-Web, but as Captn says, it would be reasonably easy to convert normal stormtroopers for this purpose.

I would have also preferred to see the figures on sprues to give them more poses, but FFG seem to be aiming this at a board gaming crowd rather than a wargaming/modeling crowd. This is also the reason for the difference in troop types, I believe this is aimed at tournament players who aren't interested in a thematic army, but want to build an army where points mean prizes. That's, obviously, individual preference, but it ain't my bag.

Yeah, I wish FFG would have gone the Engineer route on the E-web instead of the Snowtroopers, like they did for IA.

you realise that the eweb engineer is just a scout trooper right? and so effectively its still the same problem,

also, I prefer to think of snow troopers as assault troopers, they just happened to be deployed in a snowy environment in the film. it helps me deal with the fluff bunny niggle.

6 hours ago, ryanabt said:

I love good looking, thematic armies. I recognize not everyone agrees with me on what that means. Hence, I am curious about everyone else's thoughts.

Do you dislike snowtroopers as unit, significantly different in style from stormtroopers? I mean, why are storm troopers and snowtroopers on the same board? If it is that snowy/cold, should the Stormie's have winter gear?

I wish that they had gone a different direction and done storm trooper squads with different poses and heavy weapon upgrades. Then in future years, they could have done Hoth models for all units (Snowtroopers, scouts, etc.). Thinking of similar to Cadian/Catachan in the unnameable game.

The E-web makes this even worse. I want the function of snowtroopers and e-web without models draped in cold weather gear.

The official name for "Snowtroopers" is "Cold Weather Assault Troopers".

Therefore, they should be considered an assault unit. And assault units get big guns, like an E-WEB for example.

Additionally, in legends they were basically "Hostile Environment Troopers", being deployed to places where regular Stormtroopers would have difficulty functioning.

2 minutes ago, Indy_com said:

The official name for "Snowtroopers" is "Cold Weather Assault Troopers".

Therefore, they should be considered an assault unit. And assault units get big guns, like an E-WEB for example.

Additionally, in legends they were basically "Hostile Environment Troopers", being deployed to places where regular Stormtroopers would have difficulty functioning.

^^^ this. They're hostile environment troops. They're labeled as Snowtroopers because we see them in the movies on Hoth, but that's not the only environment they would deploy to.

Myself coming from a 'regular' miniature wargame background (yeah, that one, plus others) I'm not worried about this. If you want to build a super thematic army, go for it. I'm going to build the combination that I think most likely to succeed on the battlefield, and I'm not going to worry about it being 'thematic'. My only concern is how effective the force is at destroying the enemy. I'm a true Imperial officer..... ?

I know the look is a little different, but mudtroopers looked very similar to Snowtroopers. I could see them as different generations of the hostile environment gear. I often imagine that the best of the best for the Empire have several combinations of gear per one soldier. The gear they use is dependent on the situation they are heading into. Of course, they don't always get to decide/learn enough ahead of time to make an informed decision. Enter the regular stormtrooper outfit. Stormtroopers are usually the best soldiers on hand (of course we don't see them hit the heroes!) and are quick response capable and the best soldiers that can be deployed in a short time.

Worst case scenario, imagine that your intelligence told you the planet was about to have a massive snowstorm and you just want your soldiers to be prepared and take the rebels unaware with the nasty coming storm.

As someone who painted 5 squads of snowtroopers just so I could play an army of all-cold weather guys, no it doesn't bother me a bit. Non-snow armies get scouts, the emperor, red guards, a generic officer, a comms specialist... don't begrudge me 1 special unit, the e-web.

From a background perspective, there's no reason regular sotrmtroopers can't deploy to cold weather places, their armor can keep them alive in space for a short period of time. By comparison to space, arctic environments would be just fine. They just aren't optimized for it, and a week into the deployment I can see them running into problems and needing more stuff behind the scenes to keep the warmachine going.

Ditto the Hoth armor. You won't overheat and die on Tatooine wearing it. I'm pretty sure that while it's unnecessarily more encumbering, you can fiddle with the controls on the backpack or something and turn on the AC in your armor.

My “snowtroopers” are just Imperial galactic marines to me, so no conflict anymore than the episode 3 scene with marines and clone troops fighting together

7 hours ago, Indy_com said:

The official name for "Snowtroopers" is "Cold Weather Assault Troopers".

Additionally, in legends they were basically "Hostile Environment Troopers", being deployed to places where regular Stormtroopers would have difficulty functioning.

Galactic Marines

Just make recolours of the hazard enviroment suit

snowtroopers in green= swamp troopers

snowtroopers in greys and red = lava troopers.

make them the 21st nova corps/galactic marines

and if someone wants to go mix and match, that is their business.

5 hours ago, ScummyRebel said:

My “snowtroopers” are just Imperial galactic marines to me, so no conflict anymore than the episode 3 scene with marines and clone troops fighting together

For myself, I'd never mix them. Does that mean I can't take all the weapons combinations I might otherwise? Sure. But that just simulates logistical realities of wars that no points-for-models system ever can.

I don't really care what my opponent does as long as it's all painted.

2 hours ago, Zrob314 said:

Galactic Marines

Is this meant to be a correction or an opinion?

Because the canon name for "Snowtroopers" is "Cold weather assault troopers".

According to Lucasarts/Disney, a Snowtrooper is the First Order cold weather trooper, named after the Rebel nickname for the Imperial Cold weather troopers.

1 hour ago, Indy_com said:

Is this meant to be a correction or an opinion?

Because the canon name for "Snowtroopers" is "Cold weather assault troopers".

According to Lucasarts/Disney, a Snowtrooper is the First Order cold weather trooper, named after the Rebel nickname for the Imperial Cold weather troopers.

They've been Galactic Marines since Revenge of the Sith.

But here:

https://www.starwars.com/databank/clone-commander-bacara

They're in the 2017 Visual Encyclopedia

They're in the Dawn of Rebellion sourcebook recently released for the RPG.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Galactic_Marines

• Star Wars: The Prequel Trilogy – A Graphic Novel
• Star Wars: Episode III Revenge of the Sith (First appearance)
• Kanan 2: The Last Padawan, Part II: Flight (Vision to Caleb Dume)

1 hour ago, Indy_com said:

Is this meant to be a correction or an opinion?

Because the canon name for "Snowtroopers" is "Cold weather assault troopers".

According to Lucasarts/Disney, a Snowtrooper is the First Order cold weather trooper, named after the Rebel nickname for the Imperial Cold weather troopers.

We are referencing something from the prequels that looks very similar to the snowtroopers in style, even if color is all different.

2 hours ago, Geressen said:

Just make recolours of the hazard enviroment suit

snowtroopers in green= swamp troopers

snowtroopers in greys and red = lava troopers.

make them the 21st nova corps/galactic marines

and if someone wants to go mix and match, that is their business.

I was put off the Snowtroopers as I had already imagined my troopers to be based on desert planets like much of the original images

My workaround was exactly what Geressen said and that's to paint them like Clone wars red assault troopers or even a desert red/brown color instead

I imagine desert colored scouts would look amazing

the REAL problem is BASES!!!!! What do you guys put on your bases considering that if playing with others means you are going to be facing someone with different bases etc and you could be on different colored terrain

Nothing breaks my immersion like Snowtroopers with snow bases on Coruscant :(

I feel like FF could release clear bases to mitigate this

But really they should have gone with Imperial Navy instead lets be honest - it matches the fleet trooper release and would look awesome anywhere

2 hours ago, Cal B said:

the REAL problem is BASES!!!!! What do you guys put on your bases considering that if playing with others means you are going to be facing someone with different bases etc and you could be on different colored terrain

Nothing breaks my immersion like Snowtroopers with snow bases on Coruscant

You might want to get over that.

First this is something people have been dealing with singe hobby games became a thing.

Second your....quirk....is causing you to lose enjoyment of the game because of how your opponent painted their miniature.

Just now, Zrob314 said:

"this is something people have been dealing with singe hobby games became a thing."

This is the part that is annoying, it has been a known problem forever. Clear bases would solve this 100% but only third parties are making them at big $$$

I know its just my knee jerk reaction - but I still think it is about as immersion-breaking as Snowtroopers on Tatooine

Just now, Cal B said:

This is the part that is annoying, it has been a known problem forever. Clear bases would solve this 100% but only third parties are making them at big $$$

I know its just my knee jerk reaction - but I still think it is about as immersion-breaking as Snowtroopers on Tatooine

Yeah, buy you've got two problems:

1) Bases are super important to a lot of hobbyists. Many believe they are the most important or second most important part of a model (I think those people are crazy) and most can't see a model as finished if the base isn't complete

2) Lots of us use rim painting to differentiate similar units.

Just move on and accept it. or force yourself to paint a Hello Kitty Vader.

17 hours ago, Abwehrschlacht said:

I agree, I am not interested in the Snow Troopers, but FFG is sticking to the original trilogy for it's releases (ATM and not including the AT-RT and heavy weapons) and there are not that many front line Imperial units to create from those films, so they've gone for the obvious. I do wish there was an option for Stormtrooper crew for the E-Web, but as Captn says, it would be reasonably easy to convert normal stormtroopers for this purpose.

I would have also preferred to see the figures on sprues to give them more poses, but FFG seem to be aiming this at a board gaming crowd rather than a wargaming/modeling crowd. This is also the reason for the difference in troop types, I believe this is aimed at tournament players who aren't interested in a thematic army, but want to build an army where points mean prizes. That's, obviously, individual preference, but it ain't my bag.

You seem, like me come from a wargaming background where we value modeling and theme. Alas...

16 hours ago, Indy_com said:

The official name for "Snowtroopers" is "Cold Weather Assault Troopers".

Therefore, they should be considered an assault unit. And assault units get big guns, like an E-WEB for example.

Additionally, in legends they were basically "Hostile Environment Troopers", being deployed to places where regular Stormtroopers would have difficulty functioning.

16 hours ago, Darth Lupine said:

^^^ this. They're hostile environment troops. They're labeled as Snowtroopers because we see them in the movies on Hoth, but that's not the only environment they would deploy to.

14 hours ago, crx3800 said:

Worst case scenario, imagine that your intelligence told you the planet was about to have a massive snowstorm and you just want your soldiers to be prepared and take the rebels unaware with the nasty coming storm.

8 hours ago, Geressen said:

Just make recolours of the hazard enviroment suit

snowtroopers in green= swamp troopers

snowtroopers in greys and red = lava troopers.

make them the 21st nova corps/galactic marines

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None of these deal with the issue as I stated it. Why do I have stormtroopers in regular gear and snowtroopers in cold weather (or whatever you want to imagine it as) gear in the same army? If a hazardous environment exists, why is only half my army ready?

As stated earlier, I wish they had gone with storm trooper styling for all troops until later waves and come out with the same exact units but with Hoth motif.

I think this does come down to what others have said. I come from a WHFB background and want fluff and options. FFG comes from boardgame perspective and although this is their delve into true tabletop miniatures gaming, they aren't there yet on expectations such as modeling options, theme, etc.

This is on Jedha after the events of rogue one. Note that the rebs are not wearing cold weather gear.

47 minutes ago, ryanabt said:

? If a hazardous environment exists, why is only half my army ready?

specialized gear requires specialized training.

why isn't every stormtrooper on scarrif a beach trooper

If more camouflaged armour with extra head protection for use in low cover beach enviroments exists why are they not ALL wearing it?

20 minutes ago, Geressen said:

specialized gear requires specialized training.

why isn't every stormtrooper on scarrif a beach trooper

If more camouflaged armour with extra head protection for use in low cover beach enviroments exists why are they not ALL wearing it?

Are beaches considered hostile environments now?