The Star Wars Show, also just released their report on the new show here:

2 hours ago, Archlyte said:

I'm curious as to what they will do here because as time goes on the Mandalorians become less and less villain material and more just a warrior culture with cool looking armor that can be used to pull protagonists from.

Lucas himself leaned toward "heroes = good = right" most of the time (not entirely but more often than not, I'd say) and his original attitude toward Fett seemed... Let's use "ambivalent" for now.
Under Disney we are likely to see more of that even if the expanded pool of creatives allows them to camouflage it better*.
With that in mind, both the big D and LFL know a good earner when they see it so making the "villainous" Fetts either aberrations... or outright pretenders... rather than exemplars so that D/LFL can give us either more heroes or (better yet, IMO) simply a more diverse culture with its own highs and lows. Based on TCW and Rebels, I'd guess the latter.

* the decon/recon we see in TLJ is arguably the most "hidden but still present" example but I won't go on that tangent here.

1 hour ago, Aluminium Falcon said:

Lucas himself leaned toward "heroes = good = right" most of the time (not entirely but more often than not, I'd say) and his original attitude toward Fett seemed... Let's use "ambivalent" for now.
Under Disney we are likely to see more of that even if the expanded pool of creatives allows them to camouflage it better*.
With that in mind, both the big D and LFL know a good earner when they see it so making the "villainous" Fetts either aberrations... or outright pretenders... rather than exemplars so that D/LFL can give us either more heroes or (better yet, IMO) simply a more diverse culture with its own highs and lows. Based on TCW and Rebels, I'd guess the latter.

* the decon/recon we see in TLJ is arguably the most "hidden but still present" example but I won't go on that tangent here.

Wasn't Fett originally based on the design for some sort of super storm trooper? I feel the bad could become ambivalent then characterized like you just said as good guys with a few bad apple and while that is ok it's just kind of funny to me. Bad guy was too cool looking and interesting (inferred) so he had to be made into a good guy lol.

11 minutes ago, Archlyte said:

Wasn't Fett originally based on the design for some sort of super storm trooper? I feel the bad could become ambivalent then characterized like you just said as good guys with a few bad apple and while that is ok it's just kind of funny to me. Bad guy was too cool looking and interesting (inferred) so he had to be made into a good guy lol.

Yes. The armor was originally designed to be the armor of a group of Imperial Super commandos. This idea evolved into the Mandalorians and the Mandalorian Super commandos.

2 hours ago, Aluminium Falcon said:

Lucas himself leaned toward "heroes = good = right" most of the time (not entirely but more often than not, I'd say)

I dunno. Obi-wan and Yoda are definite good guy heroes and Luke's entire character arc in the OT turned out to be proving them wrong. Luke staying his hand and not killing Vader turned out to be the right choice, despite Obi-wan and Yoda repeatedly warning him against just that.

If you're referring to more anti-hero behavior, compare the "Han shot first" incidents in ANH and Solo. The latter is a lot more morally grey in comparison as is Cassian's introduction scene in R1, meaning that based on the recent movies, LFL is prepared to go a lot darker nowadays than under Lucas.

...aand back on topic.

Between the leaked picture and the "lone gunfighter" quote, I can probably kiss wish #3 goodbye.

Kinda of surprised me that it's set post-ESB. I had assumed (for no real reason) it was going to be set in the Dark Times, but it does makes more sense for LFL to start throwing as much paint as they can on the big empty canvas between ESB and TFA. Hopefully, they're a bit more discerning in their world building this time around than they were with the Legends continuity.

53 minutes ago, penpenpen said:

I dunno. Obi-wan and Yoda are definite good guy heroes and Luke's entire character arc in the OT turned out to be proving them wrong. Luke staying his hand and not killing Vader turned out to be the right choice, despite Obi-wan and Yoda repeatedly warning him against just that.

If you're referring to more anti-hero behavior, compare the "Han shot first" incidents in ANH and Solo. The latter is a lot more morally grey in comparison as is Cassian's introduction scene in R1, meaning that based on the recent movies, LFL is prepared to go a lot darker nowadays than under Lucas.

...aand back on topic.

Between the leaked picture and the "lone gunfighter" quote, I can probably kiss wish #3 goodbye.

Kinda of surprised me that it's set post-ESB. I had assumed (for no real reason) it was going to be set in the Dark Times, but it does makes more sense for LFL to start throwing as much paint as they can on the big empty canvas between ESB and TFA. Hopefully, they're a bit more discerning in their world building this time around than they were with the Legends continuity.

Why does it surprise you. It was announced months ago by Favereaux himself that this series was set seven years after ANH (three years after RotJ). That’s old news. What we didn’t know (but was Heavily rumored) was if it was going to be about Mandalorians.

19 minutes ago, Tramp Graphics said:

Why does it surprise you. It was announced months ago by Favereaux himself that this series was set seven years after ANH (three years after RotJ). That’s old news. What we didn’t know (but was Heavily rumored) was if it was going to be about Mandalorians.

Because I made a completely unfounded assumption without even reflecting on it, and since I'm kinda touchy about spoilers, I usually don't really seek out details beforehand about upcoming movies and shows, to the point that I usually only watch trailers once, if at all, before watching the movie.

8 hours ago, Archlyte said:

I'm curious as to what they will do here because as time goes on the Mandalorians become less and less villain material and more just a warrior culture with cool looking armor that can be used to pull protagonists from.

I've never been a fan of any of it, really; Boba Fett was always kind of boring to me as a kid, so when they spun him off into the whole warrior culture thing (not to mention Jango and the clones), it never really hit the mark for me. I'm hoping the protagonists are somehow exiles from mainstream Mandalorian culture. I'd rather them wandering spaghetti-Western ronin types than anything military.

2 hours ago, SavageBob said:

I've never been a fan of any of it, really; Boba Fett was always kind of boring to me as a kid, so when they spun him off into the whole warrior culture thing (not to mention Jango and the clones), it never really hit the mark for me. I'm hoping the protagonists are somehow exiles from mainstream Mandalorian culture. I'd rather them wandering spaghetti-Western ronin types than anything military.

I agree, a lot of the depictions of the Mandalorians are so schizophrenic that they are just trying to make cool soup most of the time. Would be nice if they would pick something and stick to it.

I liked Mandalorians best when it was a name in the ESB sketchbook.

Okay let's say you're running a game and one of your players come up with a character resembling this new show, what ship would you allow them remember you're the GM so what restrictions would you apply?

Secondly you're creating this character what would you come up with assuming it's a starting character and NOT a Knight level character?

Lastly as this is assumed to not be a solo party who would you cast consist of?

Oh and nemesises naturally!

PS: Should I have posted this in its own thread?

On 10/5/2018 at 5:43 PM, penpenpen said:

I dunno. Obi-wan and Yoda are definite good guy heroes and Luke's entire character arc in the OT turned out to be proving them wrong. Luke staying his hand and not killing Vader turned out to be the right choice, despite Obi-wan and Yoda repeatedly warning him against just that.

If you're referring to more anti-hero behavior, compare the "Han shot first" incidents in ANH and Solo. The latter is a lot more morally grey in comparison as is Cassian's introduction scene in R1, meaning that based on the recent movies, LFL is prepared to go a lot darker nowadays than under Lucas.

Referring to "sides" more than individuals, in straight-up Lucas-canon any moral gray that could be logically applied to the Rebels is usually ignored and/or glossed over. Blowing up the Death Star is never questioned on screen as anything other than the exact right thing to do, for example. Vader is never portrayed as having "a point" and Kenobi and Yoda's protestations simply serve to set Luke up to redeem his father with the"power of love".

And I am glad you brought up Cassian as he is an excellent easily-covered example of what I mean by " camouflage(d) it better". Yes, Cassian's story starts darker and holds for a good bit, but his arc (contrasted with Saw as an extreme) specifically takes him along check points (not killing Galen for a big example) of less-gray morality ultimately, however slightly, feeding the philosophy stated in TLJ regarding " n ot fighting what we hate" but rather "saving what we love".
As dark as the Disney-era can get (so far), it really seems to be in service or portraying war itself as a problem rather than something for heroes to sternly, righteously or eagerly throw themselves into (something Lucas, to his credit, did start to explore in the prequels and TCW) and have individuals follow arcs meant so save their own "souls" in the midst of it.

And bringing it around on topic... I expect that "The Mandalorian" will be similar insofar as we will see some of the most morally gray stuff officially filmed "Star Wars" to date only so we can follow our protagonists as they claw their way through and/or out of it.

5 hours ago, copperbell said:

Okay let's say you're running a game and one of your players come up with a character resembling this new show, what ship would you allow them remember you're the GM so what restrictions would you apply?

Secondly you're creating this character what would you come up with assuming it's a starting character and NOT a Knight level character?

Lastly as this is assumed to not be a solo party who would you cast consist of?

Oh and nemesises naturally!

PS: Should I have posted this in its own thread?

I love starting characters but I feel like no one would be happy with making this kind of character and starting it at 100 XP or so. I don't know what kind of ship the character has in the series but I would think something small would be best to kind of capture the gunfighter in the old west feel. Something to represent the trusty steed of the armored man with no name.

One of the things that has me excited the most is actually the medium. I'd looove to see a live-action series.

And I am always curious about out-of-the-way corners of secondary worlds. Always neat to see what goes on away from the big action. So I'm cautiously hopeful.

Also, I am hoping the fact that this is live-action and not animation might encourage them to do some LGBT representation, if only because the 'animation=for kids' wouldn't be a limitation.

Besides, real effects for aliens could be a big thing. That'd be so cool!

I'm just waiting for the reveal that the Mandalorian is a young girl because that's what Star Wars needs more of today. I would actually find it a refreshing change if the Mandalorian were an older (at least 30s, 40s or 50s preferred) male playing a grizzled gunslinger. More points for bucking trends if they actually find us a blue-eyed blond Mandalorian like those most commonly seen in TCW. So yeah, I'd like to see someone like Neal McDonough playing the Mandalorian, but it's not going to happen in today's Star Wars.

8 minutes ago, HappyDaze said:

I'm just waiting for the reveal that the Mandalorian is a young girl because that's what Star Wars needs more of today. I would actually find it a refreshing change if the Mandalorian were an older (at least 30s, 40s or 50s preferred) male playing a grizzled gunslinger. More points for bucking trends if they actually find us a blue-eyed blond Mandalorian like those most commonly seen in TCW. So yeah, I'd like to see someone like Neal McDonough playing the Mandalorian, but it's not going to happen in today's Star Wars.

Well, based on the officially released image below, the main character is definitely male. As for how old he is? That’s another matter. But, given the rumors about who is likely to play the titular character, it does appear that he most likely will be an older character.

4 hours ago, Tramp Graphics said:

Well, based on the officially released image below, the main character is definitely male. As for how old he is? That’s another matter. But, given the rumors about who is likely to play the titular character, it does appear that he most likely will be an older character.

I agree, it is probably a male, but I don't agree that the image is definitely male. Somewhere else, maybe even on this site is a discussion about female armour vs male armour, and how the outward appearance isn't all that different unless there is 'artistic licence' or other elements at play.

I'd be interested to watch something with a grizzled mentor and a young female charge, although it feels like both of those elements are approaching the threshold of 'tropism'.

So with a live action series starting up, and a Star Wars themed park or two, anyone else interested to see if they use a bit of cross-promotion? I'm in Australia and the new parks have already caused me to add a nebulously dated trip to California in the next five years or so.

Just now, Roderz said:

I agree, it is probably a male, but I don't agree that the image is definitely male. Somewhere else, maybe even on this site is a discussion about female armour vs male armour, and how the outward appearance isn't all that different unless there is 'artistic licence' or other elements at play.

I'd be interested to watch something with a grizzled mentor and a young female charge, although it feels like both of those elements are approaching the threshold of 'tropism'.

So with a live action series starting up, and a Star Wars themed park or two, anyone else interested to see if they use a bit of cross-promotion? I'm in Australia and the new parks have already caused me to add a nebulously dated trip to California in the next five years or so.

I'd love to see the older mentor type with younger charge--but only if the younger charge is brutally killed off in the first couple of episodes. We've seen the hero's journey over and again. I'd be much more interested in seeing an older fella haunted by the death of the rookie. Bonus points if that rookie is not a family member.

Just now, Roderz said:

I agree, it is probably a male, but I don't agree that the image is definitely male. Somewhere else, maybe even on this site is a discussion about female armour vs male armour, and how the outward appearance isn't all that different unless there is 'artistic licence' or other elements at play.

I'd be interested to watch something with a grizzled mentor and a young female charge, although it feels like both of those elements are approaching the threshold of 'tropism'.

So with a live action series starting up, and a Star Wars themed park or two, anyone else interested to see if they use a bit of cross-promotion? I'm in Australia and the new parks have already caused me to add a nebulously dated trip to California in the next five years or so.

Female Mandalorian armor is definitely different in how it conforms to the body. Also, there are some definite differences between the male and female form that are obvious even under armor. The biggest difference is the hips. The hips of that character are definitely male hips. In fact the entire torso is very masculine in form, with broad shoulders, a barrel chest, and slim hips from which muscular thighs extend. This is very much a powerfully built man , not a woman. If there is one thing I know is the human body. I draw enough of them.

10 minutes ago, Tramp Graphics said:

Female Mandalorian armor is definitely different in how it conforms to the body. Also, there are some definite differences between the male and female form that are obvious even under armor. The biggest difference is the hips. The hips of that character are definitely male hips. In fact the entire torso is very masculine in form, with broad shoulders, a barrel chest, and slim hips from which muscular thighs extend. This is very much a powerfully built man , not a woman. If there is one thing I know is the human body. I draw enough of them.

I concede and concur. I haven't watched Rebels so my experience with female Mandalorians is non-existent. But it is an interesting option/thought, if that character we're seeing, or the 'lead' character assuming there is one, is a female Mandalorian.

12 minutes ago, Roderz said:

I concede and concur. I haven't watched Rebels so my experience with female Mandalorians is non-existent. But it is an interesting option/thought, if that character we're seeing, or the 'lead' character assuming there is one, is a female Mandalorian.

The thing about Mandalorian armor, more so than say Stormtrooper armor, is that Mandalorian armor tends to follow the shape of the wearer more closely, and the cut of the breast and abdominal plates in particular conform to the shapes of the underlying form. For example. Compare Jango Fett’s armor to Bo Karan’s or Vhonte Tervho ‘s armor below: look at how the women’s armors more closely confirms to the female form, particularly the female breasts, compared to how Jango’s torso armor is more masculine.

Ever considered it's an inherited suit of armour they've grown up with forced to adapt to and fortunately they're androgynous enough to pull it off?

But yes it probably is a bloke, but **** it would be great if they could pull off such a charade!

2 hours ago, copperbell said:

it would be great if they could pull off such a charade!

And it would be far from the first time such a thing occurred in a story. Still, I feel like I have massively derailed the discussion with one tiny point.

I for one am hoping s/he/they are not Bounty Hunters, but something else, yet still within that Edge style of story.

The Mandalorian will be tough, grizzled, snarky, blunt but with a heart of gold.

During a job he'll be forced to work with a spunky, tough (but definitely NOT grizzled) young woman who they develop a grudging respect between. She'll be revealed as working for New Republic. This won't be romantic, because these days it's the Secondary Female Character who they pair him up with to 'subvert' things.

A local criminal cartel will have more powerful gear than they're supposed to. It's discovered they're being supported by bunch of English guys in black, who nobody knows about.

Eventually the Mandalorian works for the Republic to subvert said English dudes who are never name dropped, yet have a very similar aesthetic to a certain group, but continually insists he's "Not part of their war."

Just my cynical prediction.

It's set about 7 years after ANH or the end of ROTJ?

Could be applied to neither as the New Republic doesn't come across as that competent so maybe they deliberately limit their influence to worlds of interest to them, but Mon Mothma is currently leading the NR isn't she?