On 10/4/2018 at 5:45 AM, Ling27 said:

I think its limited future expansions in another way. There is only so much production capability, as people have said before, and the SSD is a large production item. As someone who used to work at a print shop for books and such, something small can be mass produced easily, it doesnt take much time, like fighter squadrons and leaflets. Medium sized items like, like booklets or small/medium ships, will take longer, obviously. However, their production is still sane and viable...

Large objects, books or large ships, your going to have to wait, it takes time. Now we are getting the SSD, this is like the time I was asked to make a 500ft poster. Other stuff has to get put on hold for production. Why do you think the Arquitens hasnt been reprinted yet, or fighter squadrons, ect. The SSD is taking up the entire production que, and thats what frustrates me. Id have rather gotten four Clone Wars era ships retrofitted for GCW as a wave in febuary, than a single, $200 ship for one faction.

This is particularly insightful note.

In terms of wanting other products, I can understand the frustration and wanting other ships. I do believe, if sales are good enough, I think we'll see Clone War era. As for me, being a hardcore OG trilogy fan, this is the capstone of the collection. I am elated, and thankful they made it happen. Pre-ordered the day it was announced. What it adds is the ridiculousness that was the Executer in Empire and Jedi. I do sincerely hope not a single one is left unloved on a warehouse shelf. I am curious if they will make other hugs ships at all....is it needed? Does that matter?! Haha

12 minutes ago, Ono-boso said:

This is particularly insightful note.

In terms of wanting other products, I can understand the frustration and wanting other ships. I do believe, if sales are good enough, I think we'll see Clone War era. As for me, being a hardcore OG trilogy fan, this is the capstone of the collection. I am elated, and thankful they made it happen. Pre-ordered the day it was announced. What it adds is the ridiculousness that was the Executer in Empire and Jedi. I do sincerely hope not a single one is left unloved on a warehouse shelf. I am curious if they will make other hugs ships at all....is it needed? Does that matter?! Haha

The first article had wording that to me implied that the Huge size class is not a one off.

1 hour ago, Piratical Moustache said:

The first article had wording that to me implied that the Huge size class is not a one off.

Agreed, my question is if it sells as much as needed...which I'm hoping it does.

I also hope it sells, and while I wish it was something else, I will be buying one; for the same reason I go to store championships and plan on at least sort of playing competitively. I have no asperations at grand success, I play because its a fun game system that I want to introduce to my friends. But I also want more content, and we wont get more content without showing there is a living player base (which is different from a static or dead player base), and that the peices that are being produced will sell.

So, I do play to eventually get an SSD. I cant wait to paint on it republic colors, or the rebel pheonix or something to make it stand out. I am quite tired of boring, grey, triangles.

7 hours ago, Ono-boso said:

I am curious if they will make other hugs ships at all

7 hours ago, Piratical Moustache said:

The first article had wording that to me implied that the Huge size class is not a one off.

I believe you mean the "hugs" size class, as it shall henceforth be known. Look at this and tell me it's not a sign:

C'mere, little Arquitens...

6 hours ago, Ling27 said:

I am quite tired of boring, grey, triangles.

Watch your mouth!

6 hours ago, The Jabbawookie said:

I believe you mean the "hugs" size class, as it shall henceforth be known. Look at this and tell me it's not a sign:

C'mere, little Arquitens...

It can "hug" a Venator...

Haha, a typo that works! Wonderful. Those are definitely the hug ships, but not much bigger than a medium ship in Armada.

While you guys are hugging each other, I wonder if I should hug SSD or not,

I really wanted SSD but not at an epic scale but rather 1.5x ISD size so that it can be more maneuverable on the board and be much cheaper.

Till all the specs and rules are released there is much to speculate yet, I think SSD will have one indirect benefit to Armada which it will make a lot of cash for FFG.

SSD with it big size is a perfect display item and a lot of non-gamer people will buy it ( just as they did with ISDs). Hopefully, this will be a boost for more production for other new items in Armada.

You should totally hug SSD.

Much like Epic play in X-wing, I expect there will be some help to make it feel right in game. Not expecting anything past speed one....

Then again, do you field this to maneuver it? I plan on converting to real space right on top of the enemy and melting whatever survives its impact into so much slag.

For real though, if you start on one side of the map in normal setup, at speed one, you won't cross the map in 6 turns.

I feel like Han...

4 hours ago, LostFleet said:

While you guys are hugging each other, I wonder if I should hug SSD or not,

I really wanted SSD but not at an epic scale but rather 1.5x ISD size so that it can be more maneuverable on the board and be much cheaper.

Till all the specs and rules are released there is much to speculate yet, I think SSD will have one indirect benefit to Armada which it will make a lot of cash for FFG.

SSD with it big size is a perfect display item and a lot of non-gamer people will buy it ( just as they did with ISDs). Hopefully, this will be a boost for more production for other new items in Armada.

The reason I found out about Armada was I was looking for a SSD model, and I found Mel's. Which made me see his other Armada ships which made me wonder what Armada was. Happens to be the space ship game I've been looking for for years. I didn't get Mel's SSD because I figured I'd get official Armada ships first and learn to play. Then this comes along. Sorry Mel but I still plan to get CW stuff from you, and some other 1/7000th ships.

3 hours ago, Ono-boso said:

You should totally hug SSD.

Much like Epic play in X-wing, I expect there will be some help to make it feel right in game. Not expecting anything past speed one....

Then again, do you field this to maneuver it? I plan on converting to real space right on top of the enemy and melting whatever survives its impact into so much slag.

For real though, if you start on one side of the map in normal setup, at speed one, you won't cross the map in 6 turns.

I feel like Han...

Well, if it can deploy like normal its already crossed 1/3rd of the table. They really should hurry up and give us more info though. Just a little bit.

8 hours ago, LostFleet said:

While you guys are hugging each other, I wonder if I should hug SSD or not,

I really wanted SSD but not at an epic scale but rather 1.5x ISD size so that it can be more maneuverable on the board and be much cheaper.

Everybody has to decide, if the price is worth the ship (or expansion).

But I don't see a problem with maneuverability of the SSD. I made a proxy of the ship token and gave it a try. We don't know yet how it will really be done. I decided to go with 3 assumptions. 1) You always use the notch of the rear base for the maneuver tool. 2) All rules that apply to bases according to deployment are for rear base only. (So you can deploy the ship outside of deployment zone, as long as the rear base is completely within. And you have to deploy your squadrons in distance 2 of the rear base. 3) If you overlap spuadrons you have to redeploy them touching the base that was overlapping them. (Otherwise you can "overlap" distances longer than the range ruler.)

The SSD did work very fine in a 400 pts standard match. It moves not very much more complicated than a VSD. You have to think more for your Nav Commands. But turning is very interesting, because it moves your front arc a lot more than with other ships and can make things very uneasy for your opponent! Spam Nav and your opponent will hate the SSD!

23 minutes ago, Triangular said:

But I don't see a problem with maneuverability of the SSD.

Thank you for the insight, one thing I don't want is a floating island in the middle of the board and from your description I can undertsand at least it can wiggle around a bit.

However with SSD on the game, placing astreoids and debris will be a game changer ( or not if the ship is not affected them)

7 minutes ago, LostFleet said:

Thank you for the insight, one thing I don't want is a floating island in the middle of the board and from your description I can undertsand at least it can wiggle around a bit.

However with SSD on the game, placing astreoids and debris will be a game changer ( or not if the ship is not affected them)

It moves more than "a bit". Don't forget, that the front arc is really threatning! Having a wider movement range is quite powerful. (Maybe I will take some pictures to demonstrate.)

As said, there is very much we don't know yet. A SSD could soak damage from asteroids or debris quite easily, but like you, I think, they'll make different rules for huge ships overlapping abstacles, other ships, and squadrons. They really should!

2 minutes ago, Triangular said:

Don't forget, that the front arc is really threatning!

yeah I wouldn't want to end up in the front of this ship but at the same time it seems easier to flank this ship compared to ISDs.

Jerjerrod SSD, muhahaha!!!

On 10/9/2018 at 11:59 PM, Piratical Moustache said:

The first article had wording that to me implied that the Huge size class is not a one off.

Implied isn’t strong enough, I’d say it practically confirmed. It differentiated from things common to all huge vessels and unique to the SSD.

54 minutes ago, Bakura83 said:

Implied isn’t strong enough, I’d say it practically confirmed. It differentiated from things common to all huge vessels and unique to the SSD.

The question is what might be huge ship candidates, in Canon the only Star Dreadnoughts aside from the Executor-class are First Order designs.

In Legends the Imperial Navy had the Assertor (the ship that's being refueled) and Bellator:

The Assertor was also on that alt art card for Expanded Hanger Bay for what it's worth.

For those that enjoy contemplating scale, this is a fun find.

Now my victories have something they can keep pace with.

19 hours ago, Ono-boso said:

For those that enjoy contemplating scale, this is a fun find.

I’m not sure we need that many expensive plastic triangles. I also really dislike the whole “bigger/better every movie/comic” visual rutt the Star Wars franchise has fallen in to. The US spammed crappy Sherman’s and won WW2 (minor modifications, yes), the Germans kept reinventing the wheel and lost. The ISD is fine - I’d rather have the tactical flexibility of three of those than one single ship three times the mass/cost to be out manoeuvred.

The only one of those I’d actually buy would be the eclipse, which looks different enough to be unique, and has the justification of the mini-super laser.

23 minutes ago, Bakura83 said:

I’m not sure we need that many expensive plastic triangles. I also really dislike the whole “bigger/better every movie/comic” visual rutt the Star Wars franchise has fallen in to. The US spammed crappy Sherman’s and won WW2 (minor modifications, yes), the Germans kept reinventing the wheel and lost. The ISD is fine - I’d rather have the tactical flexibility of three of those than one single ship three times the mass/cost to be out manoeuvred.

The only one of those I’d actually buy would be the eclipse, which looks different enough to be unique, and has the justification of the mini-super laser.

I would argue that if the Germans spammed crappy Sherman's and the US/allies made tiger's and whatnot, the Germans would have still lost due to economic/industrial inferiority.

How does my argument relate to star wars? I don't think it does haha.

I guess I could argue about how the Bigger ships are more "Scary" and thus invoke more fear... But yea... The size escalating isn't helping the new trilogy haha (there are some pretty cool scenes though)

4 minutes ago, clontroper5 said:

I would argue that if the Germans spammed crappy Sherman's and the US/allies made tiger's and whatnot, the Germans would have still lost due to economic/industrial inferiority.

How does my argument relate to star wars? I don't think it does haha.

I guess I could argue about how the Bigger ships are more "Scary" and thus invoke more fear... But yea... The size escalating isn't helping the new trilogy haha (there are some pretty cool scenes though)

My point was more of it ain’t broke don’t fix it. The Empire is wasting a huge amount of unnecessary resources by constantly changing the size and shape of their ships, for little/no benefit. If you lose an ISD in battle send in 10 more, don’t completely reinvent the wheel. It also makes it a nightmare of logistics to repair/refit fleets when every ship is a different design, as oppos d to just stocking loAds of ISD parts...

1 minute ago, Bakura83 said:

My point was more of it ain’t broke don’t fix it. The Empire is wasting a huge amount of unnecessary resources by constantly changing the size and shape of their ships, for little/no benefit. If you lose an ISD in battle send in 10 more, don’t completely reinvent the wheel. It also makes it a nightmare of logistics to repair/refit fleets when every ship is a different design, as oppos d to just stocking loAds of ISD parts...

This is true, and if I was Emperor my solution to everything would be MORE ISD!!