I actually liked Rose as a character. The film itself, and its use of her, has issues, but I liked the character.

3 hours ago, It’s One Of Ours said:

So Luke saying “**** it, I’mma make a run, you two cover me!” is totally legit.

“Luke, take reds 2 & 3, hold up here and wait for my signal to start your run”

thats the only only real problem with Luke’s participation in the battle, that he was given point on the final attack run.

Hate to break it to those of you who don't want the Starfortress (oh, yeah, that's what they appear to be calling the Resistance Bomber in 2.0) to be either over-powered or over-priced: Both reload and rotate are white actions. It still doesn't have reinforce, though.

(If you google resistance conversion kit there's a reddit thread with a couple leaked pictures of parts of some cards)

4 hours ago, HolySorcerer said:

So  by the  same token you  think Jarjar should get a super  powerful  crew card   ? That’s what Rose is, she is the jarjar of   TLJ .

And now we're on JarJar? ya know honestly I'd love if if they put in a viable JarJar crew with an ability that makes enemy shots worse against nearby allies. that way JarJar can irritate everyone through game mechanics, instead with Lucas's dialogue. also just as an aside, for anyone who wants to give Lucas maybe too much credit, look up the JarJar theory by gnoggin on youtube. it's rather compelling in convincing you that Dark Lord JarJar was totally going to be a thing, before a bunch of fanboys started crying betrayal after Ep 1 hit theatres.

5 hours ago, Captain Lackwit said:

So good to see others snapping about this after so long.

Because it has almost literally been an entire year, non stop.

I know I've said something about the whining. Post got deleted. The incessant whining didn't, though.

The most original Star Wars movie since 1977, but it had women who actually mattered, so you can guess the response...

4 hours ago, It’s One Of Ours said:

Oh totally... By the time Luke makes the attack run with Biggs and Wedge, the three of them are literally the only X-Wings left alive (and somewhere is a not-Farlander-anymore in a Y-Wing). So Luke saying “**** it, I’mma make a run, you two cover me!” is totally legit.

But I still think the first half of the battle would have been better if Luke makes an attack run against the turrets and his guns don’t even have the safety off.

There was a cool analogy I read to shootouts in hockey or soccer/football. Sometimes, you gotta give the shot to the rookiee who wants it, who has the confidence to make that shot.

Meanwhile, Evaan Verlaine is awesome.

1 hour ago, Forgottenlore said:

“Luke, take reds 2 & 3, hold up here and wait for my signal to start your run”

thats the only only real problem with Luke’s participation in the battle, that he was given point on the final attack run.

True but he also says he has experience navigating tight corridors in the briefing and likely tells them he can handle it so the other guys, who have tons more space experience, are all for the rookie taking point. That and Luke doesn’t look surprised when red leader tells him that. I imagine this was discussed beforehand and was always the backup plan. Now why they trust him on his word...

8 minutes ago, LordFajubi said:

True but he also says he has experience navigating tight corridors in the briefing and likely tells them he can handle it so the other guys, who have tons more space experience, are all for the rookie taking point. That and Luke doesn’t look surprised when red leader tells him that. I imagine this was discussed beforehand and was always the backup plan. Now why they trust him on his word...

Biggs told Garven that Luke was the "best bush pilot in the Outer Rim", and Garven trusted Biggs' judgement. In the novelisation of A New Hope, it's also stated that Luke got one of the highest simulator scores Wedge had ever seen, so they knew he knew what he was doing.

24 minutes ago, Stryker359 said:

Biggs told Garven that Luke was the "best bush pilot in the Outer Rim", and Garven trusted Biggs' judgement. In the novelisation of A New Hope, it's also stated that Luke got one of the highest simulator scores Wedge had ever seen, so they knew he knew what he was doing.

ya no you would not put someone who has never flown in combat in a crucial roll... that's insane.

I do like that what you are describing is the movie Independence Day.

1 hour ago, Forgottenlore said:

I’d be down with a Republic (Stock) 1300.

I always thought Lucas should have put a 1300 in the prequels, but make IT all smooth and chromed when brand new, just to really emphasize just how much modification had been done to the falcon.

I mean there are YT-1300s in the PT, one shows up in ATOC in the spaceport that Anakin and Padme land at on Naboo and in ROTS the Falcon, or rather at that time the Stellar Envoy, is seen in the background on Coruscant at one point. They both look like the falcon more or less, the Stellar Envoy was tiny in the shot but I think it has been said it had a little bit of blue on it much like how the Solo Falcon one does.

10 minutes ago, Animewarsdude said:

I mean there are YT-1300s in the PT, one shows up in ATOC in the spaceport that Anakin and Padme land at on Naboo and in ROTS the Falcon, or rather at that time the Stellar Envoy, is seen in the background on Coruscant at one point.

Yes, I know. Hence the “but” in my statement.

2 hours ago, Forgottenlore said:

I’d be down with a Republic (Stock) 1300.

I always thought Lucas should have put a 1300 in the prequels, but make IT all smooth and chromed when brand new, just to really emphasize just how much modification had been done to the falcon.

Revenge of the Sith had one, iirc.

My bad... I misinterpreted what you meant, and missed the other response. Even so, here’s the scene.

15 minutes ago, theBitterFig said:

I know I've said something about the whining. Post got deleted. The incessant whining didn't, though.

The most original Star Wars movie since 1977, but it had women who actually mattered, so you can guess the response...

All the whining and bad faith criticism around that movie has been terrible. It's hard to talk with people without the discussion turning toxic. There's stuff to complain about, but the 100+ essays and think pieces whining about the inclusion on people that aren't dudes is basically making us all look like whiny little man babies who are so inept with women that we can't even have them in our make believe stories about space wizards. My guess is that a lot of us are so burned out on it, that a civil discussion is close to impossible. what I mean by that is, we are all probably overreacting to statements we see as opposed to our own views. tends to happen in nerd culture, we're kinda prone to hyperbole.

2 hours ago, theBitterFig said:

I know I've said something about the whining. Post got deleted. The incessant whining didn't, though.

The most original Star Wars movie since 1977, but it had women who actually mattered, so you can guess the response...

So did TFA. And the response wasn’t nearly what you guessed. There was some criticism, fine, but nowhere near the level that TLJ has.

“Women who actually mattered” is not the problem. Flaws in the story and in the execution are.

Not everyone who disagrees with you is a part of some monolithic mysoginistic conspiracy.

45 minutes ago, ScummyRebel said:

So did TFA. And the response wasn’t nearly what you guessed. There was some criticism, fine, but nowhere near the level that TLJ has.

“Women who actually mattered” is not the problem. Flaws in the story and in the execution are.

Not everyone who disagrees with you is a part of some monolithic mysoginistic conspiracy.

And yet, monolithic or not, there was a sizeable-enough misogynistic hate campaign against Kelly Marie Tran.

1 minute ago, theBitterFig said:

And yet, monolithic or not, there was a sizeable-enough misogynistic hate campaign against Kelly Marie Tran.

I'll give you that there was a bull campaign of hate against her. You're going to have to present a demographic breakdown of the ***** that verbally assaulted her via social media to gain any traction with me on it being misogynistic. **** heads come in all shapes, sizes, sexes, genders, races, ethnicities and cultural backgrounds.

5 hours ago, Forgottenlore said:

I actually liked Rose as a character. The film itself, and its use of her, has issues, but I liked the character.

Did anyone else get the sense that she was supposed to highlight Poe and Finn's aggression starting to cloud their judgment? She lost her sis, to a mission that ultimately did nothing to help the cause, something Leia explains to Poe. It doesn't really work that well in practice IMO, but it feels like that was the idea for Rose. Would've been nice if she could've provided some alternative instead of the kamikaze of love. Oh well. She tries hard and does mess up that Casino planet. It's a mixed bag but she's still a pretty cool character for me.

15 minutes ago, Hippie Moosen said:

Did anyone else get the sense that she was supposed to highlight Poe and Finn's aggression starting to cloud their judgment? She lost her sis, to a mission that ultimately did nothing to help the cause, something Leia explains to Poe. It doesn't really work that well in practice IMO, but it feels like that was the idea for Rose. Would've been nice if she could've provided some alternative instead of the kamikaze of love. Oh well. She tries hard and does mess up that Casino planet. It's a mixed bag but she's still a pretty cool character for me.

More terror than aggression with Finn but I see what you're saying otherwise.

3 minutes ago, Hippie Moosen said:

Did anyone else get the sense that she was supposed to highlight Poe and Finn's aggression starting to cloud their judgment? She lost her sis, to a mission that ultimately did nothing to help the cause, something Leia explains to Poe. It doesn't really work that well in practice IMO, but it feels like that was the idea for Rose. Would've been nice if she could've provided some alternative instead of the kamikaze of love. Oh well. She tries hard and does mess up that Casino planet. It's a mixed bag but she's still a pretty cool character for me.

The film treats her loss as a waste, though I can't help but think had Poe and the others not destroyed the dreadnought it would have jumped in with the rest of the fleet and then fired off its long range cannons and destroyed the Raddus and the Resistance fleet. That or provided an excuse to bombard Crait from above destroying the old Rebel base there.

Now, back to the topic at hand, for those who hadn't seen it gonna post the bomber below. Someone mentioned it before, but figure I'll just post it here.

So if the other leak about their attack is true that means that the Resistance Bomber has 3 Forward, 2 Bowtie Arc, 9 Hull, and 3 Shields with all white actions and what we could gleam from the spread its 1.0 dial with the change that their 3 banks are now red. Sort of slightly disappointed that the ship didn't get a ship ability to reflect its bomb bay with the ship getting bonuses to bombing or to replicate the fact they go up like kindling.

Next we have the T-70's S-Foil card, basically the same as the T-65 with the change that it gets the Barrel Roll instead of a Boost and doesn't reduce its primary while attacking in its bullseye arc. Pretty cool, pretty cool. Have to wonder if with a decent canon upgrade on it there might be little reason to swap over to the wings being open when it means giving up more reposition options and a linked action. Gunner Rey looks to have her pilot ability with the exception that it is based on where your arcs are pointed as opposed to just the front arc. I guess that means putting her on the Resistance Bomber means she gets to trigger the ability for a 270 degree covered arc in the event you don't have the bowtie arc pointed front and rear.

3 minutes ago, Animewarsdude said:

Next we have the T-70's S-Foil card, basically the same as the T-65 with the change that it gets the Barrel Roll instead of a Boost and doesn't reduce its primary while attacking in its bullseye arc. Pretty cool, pretty cool. Have to wonder if with a decent canon upgrade on it there might be little reason to swap over to the wings being open when it means giving up more reposition options and a linked action.

So it swaps the reposition abilities in relation to the T-65 (T-70 has boost native without the config card) and gives it the ability to fire 3 in bullseye when closed. Is it viable to open the S-Foils when your T-65 has torps?

1 hour ago, Animewarsdude said:

Next  we have the T-70's S-Foil card, basically the same as the T-65 with the change that it gets the Barrel  Roll instead of a Boost and doesn't reduce its primary while attacking in its bullseye arc. Pretty cool, pretty cool. Have to wonder if with a decent canon upgrade  on it there might be little reason to swap over to the wings being open when it means giving up more reposition options and a linked action.

Flying closed seems to be the way to go on the T-70 for sure. Anyone think there's going to be a pilot that flips it like on the rebels? I'm hoping it's a "no" and we see some pilots with designs to push these in directions the rebels don't go.

1 hour ago, Animewarsdude said:

So if the other leak about their attack is true that means that the Resistance Bomber has 3 Forward, 2 Bowtie Arc, 9 Hull, and 3 Shields with all white actions and what we could gleam from the spread its 1.0 dial with the change that their 3 banks are now red. Sort of slightly disappointed that the ship didn't get a ship ability to reflect its bomb bay with the ship getting bonuses to bombing or to replicate the fact they go up like kindling.

Do you think this has 1 agility or 0 agility (the bomber); that 3/2/?/9/3 is strong.

21 minutes ago, Cgriffith said:

Do you think this has 1 agility or 0 agility (the bomber); that 3/2/?/9/3 is strong.

1 agility most likely. Not having any defense die base seems a little out of character for what we've seen of 2.0 so far. Though if it does have 0 agility hull and shield upgrades are dirt cheap for it.

3 hours ago, theBitterFig said:

And yet, monolithic or not, there was a sizeable-enough misogynistic hate campaign against Kelly Marie Tran.

T’was the Russians. Then again, many Russians seem to be on these forums... Oh no, they are everywhere. It’s a trap!

On topic. Rose is a strong card. I’m interested how they are gonna balance her... The bomber seems suitably cool. Holding judgement till I see the dial though...

7 hours ago, SpiderMana said:

Hate to break it to those of you who don't want the Starfortress (oh, yeah, that's what they appear to be calling the Resistance Bomber in 2.0) to be either over-powered or over-priced: Both reload and rotate are white actions. It still doesn't have reinforce, though.

(If you google resistance conversion kit there's a reddit thread with a couple leaked pictures of parts of some cards)

Yeah, I'm the one who took the pics at GenCon. There's FO spoilers on the back of the box too.

https://imgur.com/a/FTHAe6m