1 hour ago, Herowannabe said:I’m surprised nobody had commented on this yet, since there have been so many questions about it. No cross-faction models or dials unless their full names are identical.
And no first edition dials allowed.
Are there cross-faction dials that don't have the same name?
Just now, JJ48 said:Are there cross-faction dials that don't have the same name?
YT-1300.
4 minutes ago, LagJanson said:YT-1300.
Those have different dials, though.
2 minutes ago, svelok said:Those have different dials, though.
Precisely.
8 minutes ago, LagJanson said:Yes. Also, in bad taste.
While I pretty much agree that an 80+ initiative bid is bad form, I feel like this precludes the possibility of a single ship build ever becoming viable, in that it's now illegal to even try. Suppose we see more large expensive ships? The Arkangel for example could have been big enough to be a single ship build perhaps.
Just now, Crabbok said:While I pretty much agree that an 80+ initiative bid is bad form, I feel like this precludes the possibility of a single ship build ever becoming viable, in that it's now illegal to even try. Suppose we see more large expensive ships? The Arkangel for example could have been big enough to be a single ship build perhaps.
Probably off topic to the thread, but I see where you're going. It limits design space of what they can do with larger or more powerful ships. I actually don't see why this particular rule exists either, as the one ship with a big bid isn't exactly an effective strategy in most scenarios.
30 minutes ago, Crabbok said:So if I wanted to just run Dash an no other ships apparently that would be illegal
What? Why?
Just now, SpiderMana said:What? Why?
Squad Building Each player must build one squad to use in a tournament. A squad cannot exceed 200 points, though it may contain fewer than 200 points. A legal squad list contains between 2 and 8 ships from a single faction.
Oh shoot I didn’t see that
1 hour ago, Herowannabe said:I’m surprised nobody had commented on this yet, since there have been so many questions about it. No cross-faction models or dials unless their full names are identical.
Because 1st edition dials have different maneuvers on them than 2.0 dials. Also why would you be able to use a cross faction dial if it's for a completely different ship? You can still use your Rebel TIE/ln dial for Howlrunner.
QuoteShip IDs: Ship IDs are numbered pieces of punchboard that are placed in the ship base, fitting into the slots in front of and behind the plastic peg (above the turret arc indicator, if one is present). Players must identify all ships in their squad with a unique ship ID . A corresponding ID indicator must be placed on the ship card. This ID’s number must also correspond to the ship’s lock token(s). The provided ship IDs have black and white sides so that players can indicate which ships are their own. Players may use a marker to color the white side to any color as long
as it is consistent across all ships, the number is readable, and it is distinguishable from the black side of the ID. All of a player’s ships must be identifiable as part of their list by their IDs. Players may also make their own ship IDs and locks, so long as the IDs fit within the slots on the base and clearly correspond the locks.
Note that this is under the non-essentials section, which means that players are not required to use the little ID tags provided in the box, so long as they are using something to identify which ship in the table corresponds to which cards are off the table, even if that something is as simple as the named base for a unique pilot. If you have multiples of the same generic pilot on the table, then you really do need to use something to distinguish which one is which.
Edited by Tvboy24 minutes ago, Crabbok said:While I pretty much agree that an 80+ initiative bid is bad form, I feel like this precludes the possibility of a single ship build ever becoming viable, in that it's now illegal to even try. Suppose we see more large expensive ships? The Arkangel for example could have been big enough to be a single ship build perhaps.
Dash should only have a 20ish point bid
Dash Rendar — YT-2400 (100)
Lone Wolf (4)
Proton Rockets (7)
Luke Skywalker (30)
Kanan Jarrus (14)
Shield Upgrade (6)
Outrider (14)
Rigged Cargo Chute (4)
Ship Total: 179
Note that I'm not a Dash fan, and I take no responsibility for how hard this list will probably lose.
Only cross-faction issue so far is Lando’s Falcon. I’m sure if you asked, most TO’s would allow you to use the “wrong” ship model as long as it’s not confusing which faction you’re playing.
So what do we use to ID medium base ships? None of the ID tokens, old or new, fit.
5 minutes ago, SpiderMana said:Only cross-faction issue so far is Lando’s Falcon. I’m sure if you asked, most TO’s would allow you to use the “wrong” ship model as long as it’s not confusing which faction you’re playing.
That is the big issue I think. Technically by the letter of the rules, you must use the appropriate ship model for the Customized YT-1300, the Modified YT-1300, and the Scavenged YT-1300. Even though 2 of the models are almost identical, they are all from different factions, and you would be hard pressed to say that a player was creating confusion by using the model with the rectangular dish instead of the round dish.
28 minutes ago, Crabbok said:While I pretty much agree that an 80+ initiative bid is bad form, I feel like this precludes the possibility of a single ship build ever becoming viable, in that it's now illegal to even try. Suppose we see more large expensive ships? The Arkangel for example could have been big enough to be a single ship build perhaps.
They can just change the tournament rules if they need to, which they do every few months. I'm fine with this rule, and most likely a TO will just allow it if someone is that desperate to lose games that way.
1 minute ago, Koing907 said:So what do we use to ID medium base ships? None of the ID tokens, old or new, fit.
I did not have this problem while flying my 2 Wardens last week.
5 minutes ago, Tvboy said:They can just change the tournament rules if they need to, which they do every few months. I'm fine with this rule, and most likely a TO will just allow it if someone is that desperate to lose games that way.
Not to mention in a 2.0 world a one ship build seems like absolute suicide. No one ship has anywhere near the offense AND defense to go solo and I see very little to no chance that one will. I don’t get at all why some people are twisting their shorts over this, unless they have issues being told no.
15 minutes ago, LordFajubi said:Not to mention in a 2.0 world a one ship build seems like absolute suicide. No one ship has anywhere near the offense AND defense to go solo and I see very little to no chance that one will. I don’t get at all why some people are twisting their shorts over this, unless they have issues being told no.
Calm down, nobody's "twisting their shorts over this", he was just noting it as a fact that wasn't there before.
Didn't someone leave most of their list at home once and ended up flying Soontir Fel by himself? I read that he won 2 games...
8 minutes ago, Gilarius said:Didn't someone leave most of their list at home once and ended up flying Soontir Fel by himself? I read that he won 2 games...
Since the rules actually say players may use ANY first edition obstacles, does this mean the raider ones are finally legalized? ?
4 minutes ago, ScummyRebel said:Since the rules actually say players may use ANY first edition obstacles, does this mean the raider ones are finally legalized? ?
it would if that sentence didn't end with "(except those found in Epic expansions)"
Just now, skotothalamos said:it would if that sentence didn't end with "(except those found in Epic expansions)"
Great! Now to use them for no reason other than I haven’t before outside of an epic game.
18 minutes ago, ScummyRebel said:Great! Now to use them for no reason other than I haven’t before outside of an epic game.
It kind of sounds like maybe you didn't read the part in his post about obstacles from Epic ships not being allowed.
3 minutes ago, Tvboy said:It kind of sounds like maybe you didn't read the part in his post about obstacles from Epic ships not being allowed.
Read the text. He said “if it says this....”
I saw no such text in the tournament regulations.
direct quote below
”Objects are punchboard such as ship bases, obstacles, and devices.
These are considered essential components (see page 5), and players must bring them in the quantity their list requires.
Players may use any obstacle punchboard (asteroids and debris clouds) from First Edition or Second Edition. Players may use device punchboard (bombs and mines) from First Edition that exist in Second Edition.”
No reference anywhere to “no epic debris allowed”.