1. Dash ignores obstacles while moving , there is no may ignore as in 1st ed. Outrider title requires you to move through or overlap an obstacle to remove one red/orange token - can Dash trigger this effect?
2. Does executing a stationary maneuver while overlapping an obstacle cause you to overlap it again ? I guess the answer is 'yes' - you should roll a red die / get a stress token again. If this is correct, could you use Inertial dampeners and then clear the stress with Outrider title?
1: RAW technically very arguable, RAI obviously Dash' s ability is intended to synergies with the ability of his ship
2: Yes to both.
Adding the cards for clarity.
It's a tricky one, but I think RAW it still works, you ignored the Obstacle but you still moved through it all the same, like you didn't make it cease to exist. It needs an FAQ though as it's not that hard to argue you ignored it on your move so you can't trigger effects which require them.
1 hour ago, TV0R said:2. Does executing a stationary maneuver while overlapping an obstacle cause you to overlap it again ? I guess the answer is 'yes' - you should roll a red die / get a stress token again. If this is correct, could you use Inertial dampeners and then clear the stress with Outrider title?
As to Inertial Dampeners, I think yes.
I know that in 1e, Kanan Jarrus was specifically called out as not triggering before the stress from Inertial Dampeners, even though the wordings on the cards seemed to indicate that it would. It was one of those "the FAQ says this, even if the cards look other wise" moments. While the wordings of InDamp and Outrider are similar to the 1e equivalents, absent a FAQ saying that they don't work, I think we should presume they do.
Both Outrider and InDamp's stress seem to be "after executing" triggers, and you should be able to resolve them in either order.
Also, dang. I'd never read that closely enough: using Inertial Dampners costs you a shield. Yikes. I guess it's only 1 point.
2 minutes ago, theBitterFig said:Also, dang. I'd never read that closely enough: using Inertial Dampners costs you a shield. Yikes. I guess it's only 1 point.
Yeah they're p. bad now, It would be bad if they just caused you a damage but you have to spend a shield meaning you cannot do it unshielded.
2. has been answered..
1. well that is a whole giant can of worms you just opened... I believe no as RAW. others believe yes as RAW. Really it needs a clarification... playing at home just decide for yourself, going to a tournament ask your TO before you go how they will rule it. Personally i have no idea RAI for it either, for all i know they decided dashes ability was to powerful and therefore only got half of outriders benefits? who knows? someone at ffg probably.
Per Alex Davy, yes they do work together. As Dash's ability is active
While
moving, and Outrider's activated
After
moving. Since the obstacles are not actually removed because of Dash's ability, be can ignore them while moving (which is when the obstacles effects would trigger as well), but after the move he is still considered to have moved though or overlapped.
There are still people who argue the person who designed the game has the wrong interpretation of his rules, and that ignored is undefined so it must mean the obstacles vanish from reality when Dash moves.
The only thing that can be agreed upon is that this needs to be addressed int he FAQ.
55 minutes ago, xbeaker said:Per Alex Davy, yes they do work together. As Dash's ability is active While moving, and Outrider's activated After moving. Since the obstacles are not actually removed because of Dash's ability, be can ignore them while moving (which is when the obstacles effects would trigger as well), but after the move he is still considered to have moved though or overlapped.
There are still people who argue the person who designed the game has the wrong interpretation of his rules, and that ignored is undefined so it must mean the obstacles vanish from reality when Dash moves.
The only thing that can be agreed upon is that this needs to be addressed int he FAQ.
"Someone said Alex Davy said it works this way" is not officially in any way.
16 minutes ago, Icelom said:"Someone said Alex Davy said it works this way" is not officially in any way.
I never said it was official. I know it's not official until it is in print. But I also reject that 'ignore' means it vanishes from the board and it never existed. We've had this argument before. I'd rather not rehash it.
I don't get why there's even any debate on this. All you have to do is look up the meaning of the word "ignore" to see that it works for Dash as written.
Nowhere does it say that ignoring something makes it not exist or not have happened!
Interestingly, some synonyms of "ignore" are quite apt in the case of Dash;
- Steer clear of
- Bypass (or Pass over)
- Fly in the face of
As per the new rules clarification post, dash and outrider work together.
Dash can still take actions if he lands on a rock right? His old text specifically stated he could. The new text is less clear.
21 minutes ago, Dzerards said:Dash can still take actions if he lands on a rock right? His old text specifically stated he could. The new text is less clear.
Dash ignores [the effects of] the obstacle while moving. Since one of the effects of overlapping an asteroid is "skip your perform action step," he ignores that effect, and his perform action step activates as normal. As a bonus, since barrel rolling is still a move, you ALSO don't have to worry about your barrel roll template crossing an obstacle.
2 hours ago, emeraldbeacon said:Dash ignores [the effects of] the obstacle while moving. Since one of the effects of overlapping an asteroid is "skip your perform action step," he ignores that effect, and his perform action step activates as normal. As a bonus, since barrel rolling is still a move, you ALSO don't have to worry about your barrel roll template crossing an obstacle.
So can dash barrel roll onto an obstacle?
2 hours ago, player3049613 said:So can dash barrel roll onto an obstacle?
Barrel rolling is moving, and while moving, Dash ignores the effects of objects - including the prohibition of boosting or barrel rolling onto them.
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