4th Cycle - The Circle Undone

By Duciris, in Arkham Horror: The Card Game

The Ancient One, in my opinion, will be Quachil Uttaus. The story will be about warlocks trying to reach immortality and in doing so creating an imbalance in the circle of life, hence the title.

Thematically, Charlie'd make perfect sense for a campaign about the Silver Twilight, given that he's a politician and the lodge is politically connected.

Mechanically, perhaps he can include all cards level 0-3 but, where Lola is limited to using cards in her current role, Charlie is limited to using cards that match the color of an Ally he controls.

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5 hours ago, phorcys12 said:

why not. After all Charlie kane the politic is depicted on charisma neutral card. That would be cool. If this is true, that would tell we will have a neutral every two cycles ...

Silas shows up on Overpower I believe. One of those neutral skill cards.

He is on charisma because it is a neutral card, And he is the best fit to show it.

11 hours ago, rsdockery said:

Thematically, Charlie'd make perfect sense for a campaign about the Silver Twilight, given that he's a politician and the lodge is politically connected.

Mechanically, perhaps he can include all cards level 0-3 but, where Lola is limited to using cards in her current role, Charlie is limited to using cards that match the color of an Ally he controls.

I really like that idea. It has legs. You can probably combine that with an in-built charisma, or make something a lot like charisma his signature card.

I like it too ... now I want it. Now.

9 hours ago, Radix2309 said:

Silas shows up on Overpower I believe. One of those neutral skill cards.

He is on charisma because it is a neutral card, And he is the best fit to show it.

Yep, What I was saying like a prove is more like a clue who let me think in that way, moreover the fact Kane is pretty unclear in his line. He is not a guardian, because not a man of action ( heal or fight ), not a seeker because not seems like a " hunt the truth behind " because he is politic, so prefer to keep some truth hidding. Not really a rogue, out of his politic-role, he go against the ancient for increasse security for the inhabitant who shall elect him. He really could doing that in a honestless way. Not more mystic. He just have the power to retail information, so can have some knowledge, but this is not his cup of tea. Then, Survivor ?? Not more, he know there are things who lurks, but he is not forced to do something. So he is not a real-one. So in fact, he is nothing. So Neutral by this point.

But if he have faction, I could see him Rogue/ seeker. but I prefer to think we would have 6 gators in place of 5 here ^^

Thematically, he is a Guardian. Not as a man of action, certainly. But there was, very early on, the article that explained the philosophy of each faction. Guardians fight to protect others from the mythos. That's Charlie Kane. Mechanically, most guardian cards don't fit him, though there's some: leadership, stand together, teamwork. He has a theme, mostly in Eldritch, of buying equipment and support for other investigators, which could tie a bit into rogue, but the theme of that "looking out for yourself" doesn't fit him.

15 hours ago, Elpino said:

The Ancient One, in my opinion, will be Quachil Uttaus. The story will be about warlocks trying to reach immortality and in doing so creating an imbalance in the circle of life, hence the title.

I like this idea very much . Though i dont know anything about Quachil Uttaus

Quachil Uttuas doesn't have much of a mythos presence. He's called The Treader of Dust and is, as far as I know, in exactly one Clark Ashton Smith story, which is... three or four pages long? It looks like a sort of small, mummified, wrinkly humanoid with no face. Everything near it ages rapidly and decays to dust, hence the name.

It's in Eldritch Horror as a rumour. It's an especially unpleasant monster: while it is on the game board anywhere, the lead investigator must impair their strength every turn, or draw a second mythos card, which rapidly accelerates the game. And if it deals damage to an investigator, they are devoured.

In Arkham, it was around too, as an old one. It powered up Wizards and Warlocks, devoured allies and in combat, killed one player per attack, no save.

I mean, it would fit the theme, but it is not very interesting, I think. There's just no material on it to draw from.

I enjoy everyone speculating about ancient and old ones and summarizing all the lore. My knowledge is limited to a few short stories such as cthulhu, dunwich horror to name a few. I am not that much into "secondary" lovecraft literature. yet. For me, it is very hard to understand the old style of writing

4 hours ago, Eldan985 said:

Thematically, he is a Guardian. Not as a man of action, certainly. But there was, very early on, the article that explained the philosophy of each faction. Guardians fight to protect others from the mythos. That's Charlie Kane. Mechanically, most guardian cards don't fit him, though there's some: leadership, stand together, teamwork. He has a theme, mostly in Eldritch, of buying equipment and support for other investigators, which could tie a bit into rogue, but the theme of that "looking out for yourself" doesn't fit him.

At the same time, we already have a guardian that has a natural inclination to use allies in Leo Anderson. As far as the rogue class goes, Charlie is a politician, and politicians are usually self-serving in one way or another.

Played AH3.0 last night. Tried out Veil of Twilight, which is about the Silver Twilight & The Lurker Beyond the Threshold/Yog-Sothoth.

The overall feel of the narrative is right - although a little bit cut-and-dried for an LCG story (it has to be shorter as each AH mission has to be playable in a single sitting). However, Dunwich was Yog focused, so I'm hoping they steer clear of that.

Quachil Uttaus n'a pas beaucoup de savoir-faire. Mais je pense que ce cycle ne semble pas être profondément lié à un bon vieux cycle, alors ils peuvent en utiliser un sans trop de traditions, comme Quachil, ou glaaki, Cthugga ...

Si je devais faire des choix, je dirais

3ème position - Cthugga, ancien mineur mineur, le feu, qui est parfois impliqué pour faire face au pouvoir de Nyarlathothep. L’un des avatars de ce dernier, les Black Men, est connu pour être lié au "rêve dans la maison de la sorcière" cité dans l’annonce.

2ème position - Glaaki, le lurker de la rivière, avec son armée de morts-vivants et de sorcières. Parce que j'aime les monstres aquatiques et les lieux, et il n'est pas si loin du sujet. Undead, witch ....

1ère position - Umordhôth du noyau, nommé dans la nouvelle Clark Ashton Smith Mordiggian. Nous reviendrions ici et nous transformerions en un conflit entre culte et sorcière, avec des explications sur l'acte de Lita. Ce grand vieux est lié à la mort et sa maison est dans la pègre des pays des rêves. Le culte essaierait d'avoir le pouvoir des morts, et cela aurait réveillé un grand méchant. Et dans les pays des rêves, nous ferions face à un avatar de Yog-Sothoth, Umr-at-tawil, qui est lié aux rêveurs et à la clé d'argent.

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20 hours ago, Elpino said:

The Ancient One, in my opinion, will be Quachil Uttaus. The story will be about warlocks trying to reach immortality and in doing so creating an imbalance in the circle of life, hence the title.

An "imbalance in the circle of life" isn't very Lovecraftian. Life and death are important to mortals, since they're the things that live and die, but there's not some cosmic meaning behind it. The trouble with immortality isn't that you're violating some important law or disrupting some sacred process; the trouble is that humans cannot truly grasp the processes of immortality, and so immortal sorcerers must become inhuman.

It's even less in-theme for CAS, who created Quachi Uttaus. Smith was all about death and entropy. There's no "circle of life"; there's only death, and life that futilely tries to deny it.

Has anyone considered the four tarot cards named in the article?

Judgement: the last judgement, the dead rising from the grave, by card imagery. Rebirth and Absolution.

Temperance: the angel pouring liquid from one goblet into another. Watering wine. And a crown at the end of a path, showing a difficult goal. Balancing forces.

Justice. Crowned lady Justitia, with his sword and scales, sitting in judgement. Truth, cause and effect.

The Tower. A falling tower, struck by lightning. Catastrophic, sudden change. People falling to theirdeath, or being on fire. Sometimes the gates of ****.

Nice description of an Arkham campaign, really.

9 hours ago, phorcys12 said:

I like it too ... now I want it. Now.

Yep, What I was saying like a prove is more like a clue who let me think in that way, moreover the fact Kane is pretty unclear in his line. He is not a guardian, because not a man of action ( heal or fight ), not a seeker because not seems like a " hunt the truth behind " because he is politic, so prefer to keep some truth hidding. Not really a rogue, out of his politic-role, he go against the ancient for increasse security for the inhabitant who shall elect him. He really could doing that in a honestless way. Not more mystic. He just have the power to retail information, so can have some knowledge, but this is not his cup of tea. Then, Survivor ?? Not more, he know there are things who lurks, but he is not forced to do something. So he is not a real-one. So in fact, he is nothing. So Neutral by this point.

But if he have faction, I could see him Rogue/ seeker. but I prefer to think we would have 6 gators in place of 5 here ^^

I think he is definitely a Rogue. It fits him having connections, but I definitely think he will be more cross-classed.
I don't think we are getting 6 investigators plus the prologue.

1 minute ago, Radix2309 said:

I think he is definitely a Rogue. It fits him having connections, but I definitely think he will be more cross-classed.
I don't think we are getting 6 investigators plus the prologue.

Oh good call - we're getting 4 neutral (doomed) investigators. They clearly aren't part of the normal numbering system. I'd wager that they are then in the first encounter set. I wonder if they'll have backgrounds or other information on their reverse. (It looks like they include cards 46 & 47.)

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Each of these characters offers their own unique abilities and skill sets, as well as a starting play area and opening hand, but no deck of additional cards.

I wonder if their cards (stating area & opening hand) will be the player cards from the expansion, from the core, or other cards from the encounter - story or otherwise.

1 hour ago, Duciris said:

I wonder if their cards (stating area & opening hand) will be the player cards from the expansion, from the core, or other cards from the encounter - story or otherwise.

Likely enough it's a mix of all of the above.

I think that is a Cycle about Shub.

9 minutes ago, Veve7 said:

I think that is a Cycle about Shub.

I too think that.

During preparation in the third scenaro of the core set you have to choose one out of 4 encounter sets. Agents of Yog-Sothoth (Linked to Forgotten age with yithians and dunwich due to the mentioning of yog-sothoth), Agents of Hastur (linked to the path to carcosa) which leaves Agents of Cthulhu and Agents of Shub Niggurath. Since the former makes less sense in this context i daresay that the 4th cycle is about shub niggurath and the 5th cycle will be Cthulhu themed. I know i know, it is way too early for this kind of speculation, but in this context i think it makes sense

The thing with the Agents sets is that Forgotten Age added Agents of Yig -- I've started including it among the random possibilities in The Devourer Below.

Still, Shub is a good bet. I think this cycle will remain local to Arkham and the surrounding wilds.

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Shub isn't my first choice. The secret name is about a signature in the book of azatoth by a witch, who can from this point travel in dimension unnder the rule of nyarlathothep. The only link to shub is witch, but not more than glaaki and thsathoggua.

Just a heads up for those that don't play other Arkham Files games or did not get the preorder rules book for Arkham Horror 3rd Edition that comes with stories for Calvin and Danielle...

There is a direct reference to The Circle in Danielle's story. I would not be surprised if we see her. There is a cultist that states, "The Circle appreciates your discretion in the matter..." and is involved in a summoning and feeding of Umordhoth. Will this carry through to this cycle? I don't know...

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Daniela is almost sure the Rogue Investigator of this circle. The article point towards her.... Probably a Rogue 0-5/ Survivor 0-2.

32 minutes ago, Veve7 said:

Daniela is almost sure the Rogue Investigator of this circle. The article point towards her.... Probably a Rogue 0-5/ Survivor 0-2.

How so? I didn't see anything specifically Danielle pointed.

The Tarot card Ace of Swords is one of her signatures in AH. 3.

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