Not a fan at all. It just seems too busy, especially with the funky nose and canard fins, and I didn't like the staggered wings even on the T-70. They just look awkward.

Maybe it will look better with a realistic, rather than heavily stylized, model. But otherwise...meh.

2 hours ago, Animewarsdude said:

Have any luck with the Aggressor in 2.0? Actually curious to hear how well its been used.

I've dabbled, and mostly failed. Tbf, turrets are underwhelming unless you need to apply the ion effect, which doesn't fit my playstyle. Rules as written, debris gambit is hillarious with the linked actions, as you remain unstressed at the end, but the evade doesn't really help it all too much. Kestal with barrage rockets is not a joke, especially if you are good with bullseye-lining or have some coordinating pieces to feed focus/palp(who is a great 2.0 crew especially with Marek, strikers, or interceptors). Better than Redline, Jonus (with Saturation Salvo if you have the points), or other more durable munition carriers? No, but as always, she is good fun.

Sadly, Double Edge (who with Lone Wolf and TLT in 1.0 hit harder and lived longer than his weightclass) has lost his...edge.

7 minutes ago, player3010587 said:

I've dabbled, and mostly failed. TBF, turrets are underwhelming unless you need to apply the ion effect, which doesn't fit my playstyle. Rules as written, debris gambit is hilarious with the linked actions, as you remain unstressed at the end, but the evade doesn't really help it all too much. Kestal with barrage rockets is not a joke, especially if you are good with bullseye-lining or have some coordinating pieces to feed focus/palp(who is a great 2.0 crew especially with Maarek, strikers, or interceptors). Better than Redline, Jonus (with Saturation Salvo if you have the points), or other more durable munition carriers? No, but as always, she is good fun.

Sadly, Double Edge (who with Lone Wolf and TLT in 1.0 hit harder and lived longer than his weight-class) has lost his...edge.

Debris Gambit isn't even just RAW, it's confirmed by the official rule clarification thread in the rule sub-forum.

As far as the Aggressor, I agree with your analysis. None of the turret options right now feel that great on the chassis, and as a missile carrier it's out-classed by the bomber and the punisher. It's in a weird spot right now for sure. Throwing one in as an ion carrier is about all it seems to be good for right now and unless you like that style of control play, then you aren't going to like that much.

Then again, a lot of people like dorsal turret + VTG on y-wings. The lower health here makes this not as good at jousting (even with the extra defense die) but maybe as a one-of it would be okay to flank with.

Kestal could be a potentially strong ICT carrier as well with the die-cancelling ability. The hardest part about ICT is getting at least a second damage result through. The ability helps.

24 minutes ago, CaptainIxidor said:

Debris Gambit isn't even just RAW, it's confirmed by the official rule clarification thread in the rule sub-forum.

As far as the Aggressor, I agree with your analysis. None of the turret options right now feel that great on the chassis, and as a missile carrier it's out-classed by the bomber and the punisher. It's in a weird spot right now for sure. Throwing one in as an ion carrier is about all it seems to be good for right now and unless you like that style of control play, then you aren't going to like that much.

Then again, a lot of people like dorsal turret + VTG on y-wings. The lower health here makes this not as good at jousting (even with the extra defense die) but maybe as a one-of it would be okay to flank with.

Kestal could be a potentially strong ICT carrier as well with the die-cancelling ability. The hardest part about ICT is getting at least a second damage result through. The ability helps.

The hardest part is actually getting the opponent in r1-2 for the ion in order to fire it. Yes, it feels amazing when the block does that and the ion, but then the question is "Why did I need this cannon if I could just fly better blocks?" Of course, there are many reasons, but only if it fits your playstyle of establishing tight no-go zones that place a heavy burden on Rexlar and Whisper not juking it into oblivion first.

Mel's shapeway mini of the T-85 now on shapeways. So enjoy a great look at the craft.

The model work is good, but I just can't get into the design. It looks like something out of StarCitizen rather than Star Wars, and is way too much of a departure from the lines of the T-65.

3 hours ago, Animewarsdude said:

Mel's shapeway mini of the T-85 now on shapeways. So enjoy a great look at the craft.

Well, I just may order one of these. Hot ****, that thing looks like it can take as much as it can dish out. I do agree the New Republic colors are too much if the Resistance gets this ship. Hopefully if it gets a Resistance release, its paintjob will be more like the Rebel's ARC-170 (plenty of wear and tear, I still like the blue).

1 hour ago, Ambaryerno said:

The model work is good, but I just can't get into the design. It looks like something out of StarCitizen rather than Star Wars, and is way too much of a departure from the lines of the T-65.

As a backer of Star Citizen, I agree with this completely. The T-65 and the T-70 have their sleek look while the T-85 looks super bulky. It's almost looks like it was meant to transform, so they popped on some extra bits to help hide the robot parts or something. It juts doesn't feel like it's from the same family as it's predecessors.

I dunno, it looks like a throwback to the ARC, imo.

38 minutes ago, Kehl_Aecea said:

As a backer of Star Citizen, I agree with this completely. The T-65 and the T-70 have their sleek look while the T-85 looks super bulky. It's almost looks like it was meant to transform, so they popped on some extra bits to help hide the robot parts or something. It juts doesn't feel like it's from the same family as it's predecessors.

I mean...

WE. DO. NOT. TALK. ABOUT. THOSE.

Mel does some great work! but those nose side fins are way too large from the images we have so far.

Ditch the fins altogether (both at the nose and in front of the S-foils) and remove the terraced lower curve to the sensor cone. That would go a LONG way towards cleaning up the design. I'd also drop the engines in the hull, which TBH are neither practical NOR logical (they're occupying the part of the hull that contains the fuel tank, s-foil mechanism, and the cooling system, primary hyperdrive, and reactor).

And I'd still scrap the staggered wings.

17 hours ago, Animewarsdude said:

Mel's shapeway mini of the T-85 now on shapeways. So enjoy a great look at the craft.

The 3D modeler in me finds this a bit... disappointing. The noise is off, too narrow and the fins are far too large. The... things on the sides of the cockpit are too large. It just feels off. Can't wait to see it refined a bit.

16 hours ago, Ambaryerno said:

The model work is good, but I just can't get into the design. It looks like something out of StarCitizen rather than Star Wars, and is way too much of a departure from the lines of the T-65.

The Mel's miniature reminds me of the later Macross/Robotech designs where Zentraedi technology as well as the bumpier deisgn lines was incorporated into the veritech designs (not sure I've got that 100% right, it's been awhile). Early veritechs had lots of long lines and sharp angles, comparatively.

The ship in the actual show does not remind me of that. So that's something.

31 minutes ago, CaptainIxidor said:

The Mel's miniature reminds me of the later Macross/Robotech designs where Zentraedi technology as well as the bumpier deisgn lines was incorporated into the veritech designs (not sure I've got that 100% right, it's been awhile). Early veritechs had lots of long lines and sharp angles, comparatively.

The ship in the actual show does not remind me of that. So that's something.

What designs are you thinking of in regards to Macross? The only design that really comes to mind are the Valkyries and they all seem to be very smooth and sleek.

20 minutes ago, Animewarsdude said:

What designs are you thinking of in regards to Macross? The only design that really comes to mind are the Valkyries and they all seem to be very smooth and sleek.

I went and looked and I think I was mostly wrong EXCEPT the Alpha series. They all have round bits but I think mainly in batroid mode, so that hardly counts.

I guess I was remembering something that wasn't entirely there.

17 minutes ago, CaptainIxidor said:

I went and looked and I think I was mostly wrong EXCEPT the Alpha series. They all have round bits but I think mainly in batroid mode, so that hardly counts.

I guess I was remembering something that wasn't entirely there.

Yea, I was wondering if you were thinking of the other two series that were stitched into Robotech.

21 hours ago, Animewarsdude said:

Mel's shapeway mini of the T-85 now on shapeways. So enjoy a great look at the craft.

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

I LOVE.

Also, hey, if any of you boys wanna' get that model, do me a favor and apply my paintjob to it!



I've really fallen in love with this thing. It's totally insane.

RESISTANCE
T-85 X-WING (60pts base)
Firepower : 3
Agility : 2
Hull : 4
Shields : 3
So I figure this thing's too fat to have 3 evasion dice rolling around, but fat enough that it's got extra crap loaded into it. No idea what to do with its munitions or Devices however, but I definitely wanna' see something that reflects its spinning that'd make Anakin hurl, in Resistance. This thing is clearly able to move, but it's not a small target either. Maybe something that allows a baked in barrel roll when defending? But that could get way too powerful way too quick.

I get the sense it's not as zippy as its predecessors though, so its dial might be a little worse. Really, just don't know enough about what she can do. However.

Its S-Foils card should ABSOLUTELY allow a SLAM action. Black One allows that, and it's quite obvious to me that the T-85's engines reflect Poe's rocket booster / vice-versa. I mean, after all, he WAS a New Republic pilot so he's likely used to having that ability at his disposal. This makes it so that all 3 X-Wings do something different with their S-Foils.

5 minutes ago, Captain Lackwit said:

RESISTANCE
T-85 X-WING (60pts base)
Firepower : 3
Agility : 2
Hull : 4
Shields : 3
So I figure this thing's too fat to have 3 evasion dice rolling around, but fat enough that it's got extra crap loaded into it. No idea what to do with its munitions or Devices however, but I definitely wanna' see something that reflects its spinning that'd make Anakin hurl, in Resistance. This thing is clearly able to move, but it's not a small target either. Maybe something that allows a baked in barrel roll when defending? But that could get way too powerful way too quick.

I get the sense it's not as zippy as its predecessors though, so its dial might be a little worse. Really, just don't know enough about what she can do. However.

Its S-Foils card should ABSOLUTELY allow a SLAM action. Black One allows that, and it's quite obvious to me that the T-85's engines reflect Poe's rocket booster / vice-versa. I mean, after all, he WAS a New Republic pilot so he's likely used to having that ability at his disposal. This makes it so that all 3 X-Wings do something different with their S-Foils.

Only issue with that stat line is it would be the exact same as the T-70.

3 minutes ago, Animewarsdude said:

Only issue with that stat line is it would be the exact same as the T-70.

Oh poop, I knew something was off.

One extra hull then?

10 minutes ago, Captain Lackwit said:

Oh poop, I knew something was off.

One extra hull then?

I think an extra hull or shield and a different ship ability would go a long way. Or even having it where the T-85 has the Torpedo, Missile, and Cannon slot natively rather than having to pick one.

1 hour ago, Captain Lackwit said:

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

I LOVE.

Also, hey, if any of you boys wanna' get that model, do me a favor and apply my paintjob to it!



I've really fallen in love with this thing. It's totally insane.

Well... I'll be... it looks REALLY good in it's grandpappy's colors!

1 hour ago, Captain Lackwit said:

RESISTANCE
T-85 X-WING (60pts base)
Firepower : 3
Agility : 2
Hull : 4
Shields : 3
So I figure this thing's too fat to have 3 evasion dice rolling around, but fat enough that it's got extra crap loaded into it. No idea what to do with its munitions or Devices however, but I definitely wanna' see something that reflects its spinning that'd make Anakin hurl, in Resistance. This thing is clearly able to move, but it's not a small target either. Maybe something that allows a baked in barrel roll when defending? But that could get way too powerful way too quick.

I get the sense it's not as zippy as its predecessors though, so its dial might be a little worse. Really, just don't know enough about what she can do. However.

Its S-Foils card should ABSOLUTELY allow a SLAM action. Black One allows that, and it's quite obvious to me that the T-85's engines reflect Poe's rocket booster / vice-versa. I mean, after all, he WAS a New Republic pilot so he's likely used to having that ability at his disposal. This makes it so that all 3 X-Wings do something different with their S-Foils.

If anything, I'd give it an extra shield as this is the top of the line fighter for the Republic. As for the dial? I'd say make it similar to the E-Wing. I'm thinking with the S-Foils closed, grant it the ability to double reposition. Hypothetically speaking, this should be an expensive ship to run for both fluff and gameplay reasons (fluff because it's unlikely the Resistance had many, if any, T-85s) and because this thing would be a BEAST to go up against... I'd put it on par with a TIE Defender.

3 hours ago, Animewarsdude said:

Yea, I was wondering if you were thinking of the other two series that were stitched into Robotech.

Oh maybe! Southern Cross does have some more rounded designs, I'd say. Maybe that's what I remembered from childhood.