can we please have the "alternate T-85" art development stuff to a different thread? nothing wrong with it, but it doesn't belong in this thread, which is to discuss the official one.

1 hour ago, Animewarsdude said:

It was likely someone thinking adding more engines would make it faster and so went with that.

There is SO much irony in that statement. People think you can just tack stuff on, but never stop and think how it actually works. More engines adds additional mass, and those engines are going to also be an additional drain on the ship's energy reserves. To say nothing of the fact you need the space for them in the FIRST place. This is why I hate all of the fan designs out there, like the millions of Super TIES that popped up in the 90s. People do stuff that looks "cool" without any actual considerations for how it would actually affect the ship. IRL form follows function, and IMO the BEST fictional designs give the ILLUSION of this.

This is why I love Joe Johnston's work on the T-65. If you've ever seen his 1976 pre-production blueprints, you can tell just how much thought he put into the design (except the main landing gear. I've spent 2 years trying to model a working mechanism on the **** things ? ).

1 hour ago, mithril2098 said:

can we please have the "alternate T-85" art development stuff to a different thread? nothing wrong with it, but it doesn't belong in this thread, which is to discuss the official one.

Keep in mind the only "official" design we have right now is a HEAVILY stylized animated version (even Poe's T-70 departs from the design established in TFA and TLJ in Resistance). SOMEONE has to figure out how a realistic model would look, because I'm certain if the T-85 appears in Episode IX it's going to be tweaked to some extent.

55 minutes ago, Ambaryerno said:

1 hour ago, mithril2098 said:

Keep in mind the only "official" design we have right now is a HEAVILY stylized animated version (even Poe's T-70 departs from the design established in TFA and TLJ in Resistance). SOMEONE has to figure out how a realistic model would look, because I'm certain if the T-85 appears in Episode IX it's going to be tweaked to some extent.

I doubt the ship will differ as much as your design does. Don't get me wrong, you do you. I'm sure we all will enjoy seeing your final result. I just expect the shape to more or less be right but with the colors being different or slight better proportions or the like. I do think that we might have a decent chance of seeing the T-85 in 9, though from some leaked images it looks like the Resistance got its hands on some more T-70s. Color saturation looks a bit off for the image though.

22 minutes ago, Animewarsdude said:

I doubt the ship will differ as much as your design does. Don't get me wrong, you do you. I'm sure we all will enjoy seeing your final result. I just expect the shape to more or less be right but with the colors being different or slight better proportions or the like. I do think that we might have a decent chance of seeing the T-85 in 9, though from some leaked images it looks like the Resistance got its hands on some more T-70s. Color saturation looks a bit off for the image though.

The color saturation is off because it is a miniature diorama photo taken 2 Saturdays ago. Date bottom right. Oct 6 2018. They didn't cutoff the 8 in 2018 enough to fully hide it...

2 hours ago, Ambaryerno said:

Unless I can find an actual practical purpose for the canards, I'm not putting them in. The only practical purpose I can think of off-hand would be as an RCS cluster, which we've never seen in a Star Wars ship before (all attitude control in Star Wars appears to be some manner of differential thrust, vectoring, gyrocopic, or simply using repulsors).

Speaking of which:

Nailing two mynocks with one stone. The placement of the secondary hull thrusters is EXTREMELY problematic. So I'm giving those pods on the aft hull an actual purpose and moving the thrusters out there. This puts them in a much better position if you assume these are for maneuvering assistance (as small as they are on Disney's design they'd be almost useless as propulsion, and clustering them extremely close together around the centerline wouldn't be practical for maneuvering) and freeing up space for all the other junk that occupies the aft hull. This will also allow a conventional S-foil mechanism as on the T-65 and T-70 (with the hull thrusters, the wings would have to be separated into left and right pairs, which is more complex and much less robust and durable).

Need to tweak a couple things, but this should keep them clear of the S-foils.

Also playing a bit with materials. Going with "X-Wing Semi-gloss Gray" for the hull with the Haze Gray canopy.

So I'm gonna' stop you right there.

We indeed have seen RCS.

5 minutes ago, Captain Lackwit said:

So I'm gonna' stop you right there.

We indeed have seen RCS.

The Star Viper's agility depends on them and the shifting of the vanes they're mounted on.

2 hours ago, Animewarsdude said:

I doubt the ship will differ as much as your design does. Don't get me wrong, you do you. I'm sure we all will enjoy seeing your final result. I just expect the shape to more or less be right but with the colors being different or slight better proportions or the like. I do think that we might have a decent chance of seeing the T-85 in 9, though from some leaked images it looks like the Resistance got its hands on some more T-70s. Color saturation looks a bit off for the image though.

According to TLJ visual guide every single T-85 in the Galaxy was destroyed by the Starkiller.

2 hours ago, Hiemfire said:

The Star Viper's agility depends on them and the shifting of the vanes they're mounted on.

Sure but those are dubiously canon. My examples here were not.

2 hours ago, eMeM said:

According to TLJ visual guide every single T-85 in the Galaxy was destroyed by the Starkiller.

I thought that was the TFA visual guide? Whatever the case may be, those visual guides can be pretty dubious sources.

6 hours ago, eMeM said:

According to TLJ visual guide every single T-85 in the Galaxy was destroyed by the Starkiller.

And according to the novelization of TFA and the film TLJ Rey meets Poe for the first time twice. There is a chance we might see them since 9 was made after 7 and who knows what JJ might want to do (lets hope no Starkiller 2.0), so we could get them. Still if we don't then I guess that just gets lumped into the new canon's New Republic being so stupid I worry how it would breathe normally if it was a person.

6 hours ago, eMeM said:

According to TLJ visual guide every single T-85 in the Galaxy was destroyed by the Starkiller.

This is one of the biggest flaws in what Disney has done with the new Trilogy. Do their writers not realize JUST HOW FRELLING BIG a galaxy-spanning civilization actually is? The idea they could keep the entire Republic Navy and starfighter command bottled up in one star system (to say nothing of rotating the entire capital) is absolutely ludicrous. It requires accepting that the Republic fleet doesn't have any ships patrolling its borders or shipping lanes, leaving it all to what amounts to local militias. And even IRL we have THOUSANDS OF YEARS of history that has very clearly established that local militias are utterly incapable of the task.

This conceit that knocking out one star system would bring down the entire Republic doesn't even give the suspension of disbelief a chance to flex before it snaps like a dry twig.

The old EU made a lot of missteps, but their depiction of how the New Republic functioned was FAR superior to what we've gotten out of the Nucanon so far.

12 minutes ago, Ambaryerno said:

This is one of the biggest flaws in what Disney has done with the new Trilogy. Do their writers not realize JUST HOW FRELLING BIG a galaxy-spanning civilization actually is? The idea they could keep the entire Republic Navy and starfighter command bottled up in one star system (to say nothing of rotating the entire capital) is absolutely ludicrous. It requires accepting that the Republic fleet doesn't have any ships patrolling its borders or shipping lanes, leaving it all to what amounts to l  ocal militias. And even IRL we have THOUSANDS OF YEARS of history that has very clearly established that local militias are utterly incapable of the task. 

This conceit that knocking out one star system would bring down the entire Republic doesn't even give the suspension of disbelief a chance to flex before it snaps like a dry twig.

The old EU made a lot of missteps, but their depiction of how the New Republic functioned was FAR superior to what we've gotten out of the Nucanon so far.

And the old EU will likely still be the only representation of the New Republic being decently competent. The New Republic was sacrificed so that the ST could end up being a large empire vs a small band of rebels and everything else was twisted to fit that square peg into a round hole. A New Republic with a large military and fleet to defend its borders? Nope that would wipe out the FO so they had to demilitarize to have little to nothing. A New Republic that understands that the First Order is a threat, one that has been attacking them and causing issues? Nope, they must be so incapable of compromise and working together that they have the senate in a state of deadlock for the past five if not ten or thirty years. Luke with a Jedi Academy that could defeat the First Order or help maintain the peace? Nope, must get rid of them so as to not be a threat to the First Order rising, including having Luke exile himself when he knew that Kylo would put his friends, family, and the galaxy in a horrible position nor taking the time to simply let them know about the oncoming threat. Etc, etc.

So no, I don't think the new writers know how big a galaxy is, heck according to TLJ Finn and Rose can make the trip from Crait, or around its space, to Cantonica, aka Canto Bight, to and from in less than 18 hours and that includes the time they spent in a jail cell. So someone can literally travel from one end of the galaxy to the other in I guess around 6 hours or so.

I actually really dig the T-85 and the new Squint designs. They're both a bit smoother than their predecessors, which makes them seem more advanced (that's basic design theory - we're used to seeing modern cars get smoother, so you apply the same concepts to imaginary ship designs). The T-85 seems to have some anime influence as well, but that may just be the animation style coming through - it may lose that with a different rendering technique. The Interceptor has smooth curved panels, akin to the TIE/v1, which is great. It's not as aggressive as the inverted panel Squint design, but it looks cool enough (though I really like my Imps to be pointier).

So, yeah, cool ships.

As far as writing and scientific concepts? Star Wars is space opera, NOT science fiction. There's a massive difference between the two. If you're looking for consistency or valid science, look elsewhere. Star Wars writers don't have a clue, and, for the most part, they don't need to.

20 minutes ago, Bad Idea Comics said:

As far as writing and scientific concepts? Star Wars is space opera, NOT science fiction. There's a massive difference between the two. If you're looking for consistency or valid science, look elsewhere. Star Wars writers don't have a clue, and, for the most part, they don't need to.

I once again refer you to Johnston's 1976 cutaway if you don't think the guys working on the OT actually put some real thought into how things worked.

1 hour ago, Ambaryerno said:

I once again refer you to Johnston's 1976 cutaway if you don't think the guys working on the OT actually put some real thought into how things worked.

The original designers might have some semblance of scientific concept, but I was referring to the movie writers. They dump anything that gets in the way of telling the story they want to tell. Michal Stackpole had some great pseudo-science to explain some mechanics of why ships moved the way they do in Star Wars - what some term as "cinematic movement". I love that type of handwavium. Star Wars fails on many levels, scientifically, but we don't love it for its science - we love it for its story (or at least used to - I'm not a fan of any of the Resistance era nonsense).

19 minutes ago, Bad Idea Comics said:

The original designers might have some semblance of scientific concept, but I was referring to the movie writers. They dump anything that gets in the way of telling the story they want to tell. Michal Stackpole had some great pseudo-science to explain some mechanics of why ships moved the way they do in Star Wars - what some term as "cinematic movement". I love that type of handwavium. Star Wars fails on many levels, scientifically, but we don't love it for its science - we love it for its story (or at least used to - I'm not a fan of any of the Resistance era nonsense).

That's still something that sets the Trilogies apart. In the OT, what we get on film FEELS more real because of that work in the background by the designers, and choices of presentation on the film itself.

Case in point, look at the operation of Red Squadron during Battle of Yavin. There's a sense that this is a real and disciplined military organization, and it gives a better impression of being an actual fighter squadron than any other film in the franchise. I loved the "Red Two, standing by..." etc. sequence to open the battle, and that the different pilots worked together (I WOULD have liked to see it established more clearly who is in what flight, which ought to have been indicated by callsigns). ILM even took the time to give each X-wing its own markings (seven are known: Red One through Six and Red Twelve are confirmed, with an eighth unidentified that may be Red Ten) and for the most part actually USE them for the correct ships (barring a few compositing anomalies, and the footage of Red Six exploding ended up being unusable).

In later films everything was much more haphazard and disorganized. ****, the designers for TFA have said they just plain didn't bother with determining how the ID tabs on the T-70s work, so all of them have three colored tab and two gray ones (even Poe's Black One).

10 minutes ago, Ambaryerno said:

That's still something that sets the Trilogies apart. In the OT, what we get on film FEELS more real because of that work in the background by the designers, and choices of presentation on the film itself.

Case in point, look at the operation of Red Squadron during Battle of Yavin. There's a sense that this is a real and disciplined military organization, and it gives a better impression of being an actual fighter squadron than any other film in the franchise. I loved the "Red Two, standing by..." etc. sequence to open the battle, and that the different pilots worked together (I WOULD have liked to see it established more clearly who is in what flight, which ought to have been indicated by callsigns). ILM even took the time to give each X-wing its own markings (seven are known: Red One through Six and Red Twelve are confirmed, with an eighth unidentified that may be Red Ten) and for the most part actually USE them for the correct ships (barring a few compositing anomalies, and the footage of Red Six exploding ended up being unusable).

In later films everything was much more haphazard and disorganized. ****, the designers for TFA have said they just plain didn't bother with determining how the ID tabs on the T-70s work, so all of them have three colored tab and two gray ones (even Poe's Black One).

Agreed. Much of the "real" feel came from the fact that the movie scenes were heavily influenced by real WW2 footage. Would it be nice to have this feel in the new stuff? Sure, but it would be too little, too late. They've strayed far from the original path. At least Rogue One felt more "real" and they did the actual check in before Scariff, as well as depicted a raid, which is what made the Rebs so dangerous (in the fluff) - the ability to FTL in, hit a target and FTL out. I did a bit of digging and it turns out the original Red squadron was supposed to be Blue squadron, but they couldn't make it work because of blue screen technology at the time, so they changed it to Red. I love that Rogue One brought back Blue squadron and gave them a fitting end.

47 minutes ago, Bad Idea Comics said:

Agreed. Much of the "real" feel came from the fact that the movie scenes were heavily influenced by real WW2 footage. Would it be nice to have this feel in the new stuff? Sure, but it would be too little, too late. They've strayed far from the original path. At least Rogue One felt more "real" and they did the actual check in before Scariff, as well as depicted a raid, which is what made the Rebs so dangerous (in the fluff) - the ability to FTL in, hit a target and FTL out. I did a bit of digging and it turns out the original Red squadron was supposed to be Blue squadron, but they couldn't make it work because of blue screen technology at the time, so they changed it to Red. I love that Rogue One brought back Blue squadron and gave them a fitting end.

It is also the reason that the T-70s likely have blue paint schemes instead of the Rebel red ones.

6 hours ago, Ambaryerno said:

This is one of the biggest flaws in what Disney has done with the new Trilogy. Do their writers not realize JUST HOW FRELLING BIG a galaxy-spanning civilization actually is? The idea they could keep the entire Republic Navy and starfighter command bottled up in one star system (to say nothing of rotating the entire capital) is absolutely ludicrous. It requires accepting that the Republic fleet doesn't have any ships patrolling its borders or shipping lanes, leaving it all to what amounts to local militias. And even IRL we have THOUSANDS OF YEARS of history that has very clearly established that local militias are utterly incapable of the task.

This conceit that knocking out one star system would bring down the entire Republic doesn't even give the suspension of disbelief a chance to flex before it snaps like a dry twig.

The old EU made a lot of missteps, but their depiction of how the New Republic functioned was FAR superior to what we've gotten out of the Nucanon so far.

I'll definitely give you that. That Disney's New Republic was super stupid. There is genuinely no debating that. They make The Empire look like the good guys unrionically, entirely because they knew how to keep a galaxy safe and stable. Even if it was under a boot.

5 hours ago, Bad Idea Comics said:

As far as writing and scientific concepts? Star Wars is space opera, NOT science fiction. There's a massive difference between the two. If you're looking for consistency or valid science, look elsewhere. Star Wars writers don't have a clue, and, for the most part, they don't need to.

This cannot be said enough. It really cannot be repeated enough.

5 hours ago, Ambaryerno said:

I once again refer you to Johnston's 1976 cutaway if you don't think the guys working on the OT actually put some real thought into how things worked.

Mechanical specialist actually knowing how to make these things work =/= writer for a story.

21 minutes ago, Captain Lackwit said:

Mechanical specialist actually knowing how to make these things work =/= writer for a story.

No, but any halfway competent writer (and I'm saying this AS a writer) would be sure to consult WITH the specialists (or more important: the effects crews responsible for actually putting the stuff on screen would) to make sure they get it right.

6 hours ago, Animewarsdude said:

And the old EU will likely still be the only representation of the New Republic being decently competent.

It's not a perfect response, but something to think about: You mean the New Republic whose capital was destroyed by invaders in 28 ABY and needed to be reorganized into a new form of government in 29 ABY... a full five years before the canon New Republic's capital is destroyed by Starkiller? Replace every instance of FO with Vong in your post and you pretty much describe the New Jedi Order (except they couldn't justify wiping out Luke's Jedi... so better make the Vong immune to the Force instead).

Not to mention that the New Republic was barely functioning BEFORE the Yuuzhan Vong invasion, and pretty much constantly at war (rather than the 30 years of relatively continuous peacetime and disarmament in the current canon).

There appear to be a lot of people complaining that the sequel trilogy "resets" the accomplishments of the heroes of the OT, while holding up the Legends continuity as superior in this regard. Except Legends undid almost everything the heroes accomplished in the OT (The Emperor is reborn... multiple times. New superweapons pop up every other book series. The government the heroes worked so hard to build collapses due to internal strife after attack by outside forces). In Legends, Luke, Han, and Leia were left picking up the pieces and had to save the galaxy over and over again. The reins were never handed off to new heroes. Every development of each new book series was overwritten in the next, so that nothing the heroes accomplished ever seemed to matter.

I find the new canon so much more satisfying. Luke, Han and Leia fought hard against the Empire and won, but they're not perfect. And their failings mean that the cycle of violence will continue for now. But their successes inspire a new generation of heroes, raised in peacetime, who will be able to continue striving against the Dark Side and begin to break apart the cycle of violence by learning how to accept failure and fight in a way that inspires hope in the galaxy.

Just now, WAC47 said:

Replace every instance of FO with Vong in your post and you pretty much describe the New Jedi Order (except they couldn't justify wiping out Luke's Jedi... so better make the Vong immune to the Force instead).

That's not a great argument considering NJO was where the old EU started to go off the rails in the first place.

23 minutes ago, Ambaryerno said:

That's not a great argument considering NJO was where the old EU started to go off the rails in the first place.

I agree NJO was a weird turning point for the EU, but I'd say the seeds of the EU going off the rails were planted much earlier. Dark Empire is almost as foundational for the EU as the Thrawn trilogy, and in that the events of RotJ are almost literally overturned, by having Luke turn to the Dark Side and the Emperor reborn.

I liked NJO at the time because it seemed like they were finally going to tell a different type of story and hand the reins off to new characters (Anakin at first... and then Jacen). However, they immediately overwrote any progress made in NJO in Legacy of the Force... and then it was just the Big 3 again (with Jaina and Ben, but we got VERY little time devoted to them as characters compared to others... and it just never felt to me like they'd been developed enough. Besides, I was tired of the Skywalker/Solos being at the middle of everything).

To me, the sequel trilogy is what NJO should have been. A new generation of characters, facing a somewhat mysterious new threat. And because there isn't a massive literature devoted to expanding the conflict between the New Republic and the Imperial remnant, that mysterious threat can be tied to the Empire in a way that was impossible in the EU, providing some continuity.

17 minutes ago, Ambaryerno said:

No, but any halfway competent writer (and I'm saying this AS a writer) would be sure to consult WITH the specialists (or more important: the effects crews responsible for actually putting the stuff on screen would) to make sure they get it right.

Hey, I'm also a writer and know all this, but there's times where you need to make concessions, and understand what exactly you're writing as well.

15 minutes ago, WAC47 said:

It's not a perfect response, but something to think about: You mean the New Republic whose capital was destroyed by invaders in 28 ABY and needed to be reorganized into a new form of government in 29 ABY... a full five years before the canon New Republic's capital is destroyed by Starkiller? Replace every instance of FO with Vong in your post and you pretty much describe the New Jedi Order (except they couldn't justify wiping out Luke's Jedi... so better make the Vong immune to the Force instead).

Not to mention that the New Republic was barely functioning BEFORE the Yuuzhan Vong invasion, and pretty much constantly at war (rather than the 30 years of relatively continuous peacetime and disarmament in the current canon).

There appear to be a lot of people complaining that the sequel trilogy "resets" the accomplishments of the heroes of the OT, while holding up the Legends continuity as superior in this regard. Except Legends undid almost everything the heroes accomplished in the OT (The Emperor is reborn... multiple times. New superweapons pop up every other book series. The government the heroes worked so hard to build collapses due to internal strife after attack by outside forces). In Legends, Luke, Han, and Leia were left picking up the pieces and had to save the galaxy over and over again. The reins were never handed off to new heroes. Every development of each new book series was overwritten in the next, so that nothing the heroes accomplished ever seemed to matter.

I find the new canon so much more satisfying. Luke, Han and Leia fought hard against the Empire and won, but they're not perfect. And their failings mean that the cycle of violence will continue for now. But their successes inspire a new generation of heroes, raised in peacetime, who will be able to continue striving against the Dark Side and begin to break apart the cycle of violence by learning how to accept failure and fight in a way that inspires hope in the galaxy.

Oh my god thank you. We're friends now by the way.

People don't hold up the entirety of legends- they hold up what they know, in ignorance of the truly abysmal stuff it pulled. And I mean, truly abysmal. So far, nothing Disney's made has been as bad as the EU's worst- and never, ever will be. The quality control is dubious at times, but it's FAR more hands-on than it was before, thank god.

3 minutes ago, WAC47 said:

I agree NJO was a weird turning point for the EU, but I'd say the seeds of the EU going off the rails were planted much earlier. Dark Empire is almost as foundational for the EU as the Thrawn trilogy, and in that the events of RotJ are almost literally overturned, by having Luke turn to the Dark Side and the Emperor reborn.

I liked NJO at the time because it seemed like they were finally going to tell a different type of story and hand the reigns off to new characters (Anakin at first... and then Jacen). However, they immediately overwrote any progress made in NJO in Legacy of the Force... and then it was just the Big 3 again (with Jaina and Ben, but we got VERY little time devoted to them as characters compared to others... and it just never felt to me like they'd been developed enough. Besides, I was tired of the Skywalker/Solos being at the middle of everything).

To me, the sequel trilogy is what NJO should have been. A new generation of characters, facing a somewhat mysterious new threat. And because there isn't a massive literature devoted to expanding the conflict between the New Republic and the Imperial remnant, that mysterious threat can be tied to the Empire in a way that was impossible in the EU, providing some continuity.

This is also why I support Rian's vision of who's Rey's parents are. Just nobodies that don't mean anything. Doesn't have to be all skywalkers all the time.

7 minutes ago, WAC47 said:

It's not a perfect response, but something to think about: You mean the New Republic whose capital was destroyed by invaders in 28 ABY and needed to be reorganized into a new form of government in 29 ABY... a full five years before the canon New Republic's capital is destroyed by Starkiller? Replace every instance of FO with Vong in your post and you pretty much describe the New Jedi Order (except they couldn't justify wiping out Luke's Jedi... so better make the Vong immune to the Force instead).

Not to mention that the New Republic was barely functioning BEFORE the Yuuzhan Vong invasion, and pretty much constantly at war (rather than the 30 years of relatively continuous peacetime and disarmament in the current canon).

There appear to be a lot of people complaining that the sequel trilogy "resets" the accomplishments of the heroes of the OT, while holding up the Legends continuity as superior in this regard. Except Legends undid almost everything the heroes accomplished in the OT (The Emperor is reborn... multiple times. New superweapons pop up every other book series. The government the heroes worked so hard to build collapses due to internal strife after attack by outside forces). In Legends, Luke, Han, and Leia were left picking up the pieces and had to save the galaxy over and over again. The reins were never handed off to new heroes. Every development of each new book series was overwritten in the next, so that nothing the heroes accomplished ever seemed to matter.

I find the new canon so much more satisfying. Luke, Han and Leia fought hard against the Empire and won, but they're not perfect. And their failings mean that the cycle of violence will continue for now. But their successes inspire a new generation of heroes, raised in peacetime, who will be able to continue striving against the Dark Side and begin to break apart the cycle of violence by learning how to accept failure and fight in a way that inspires hope in the galaxy.

I consider even with their in-fighting and politics that the Legends New Republic was better by the sheer fact that it could actually accomplish something rather than the new canon's one which was deadlocked for years accomplishing nothing.

The Vong being immune to the force was stupid, but considering there was plans for them to show up in Clone Wars at somepoint they might show up at somepoint without their force immunity. There is plenty I don't care for in legends, but I did like the main cast developing more or at least having families and there are plenty of characters that were great fun and hopefully are ported over to the new canon at somepoint if for no other reason than to give FFG a reason to bring them to the games.

I do like that the new canon has new heroes for the new era, but that like the X-Wing was no doubt due to authors not wanting to write a book without those elements for the most part. I just wish that getting the new heroes didn't mean that the OT cast had to suffer for it.

To an extent I suspect that Disney/LFL is resetting back to a post OT setting to make a New New Republic and New New Jedi Order with the reasoning being that they can tap the actors starring in the new films to show up in future projects exploring a post ST film era in the spin off films since the old cast was older and Harrison Ford didn't want to come back for more than one film.

5 minutes ago, Captain Lackwit said:

Hey, I'm also a writer and know all this, but there's times where you need to make concessions, and understand what exactly you're writing as well.

Oh my god thank you. We're friends now by the way.

People don't hold up the entirety of legends- they hold up what they know, in ignorance of the truly abysmal stuff it pulled. And I mean, truly abysmal. So far, nothing Disney's made has been as bad as the EU's worst- and never, ever will be. The quality control is dubious at times, but it's FAR more hands-on than it was before, thank god.

This is also why I support Rian's vision of who's Rey's parents are. Just nobodies that don't mean anything. Doesn't have to be all skywalkers all the time.