20 minutes ago, Kehl_Aecea said:

Well... I'll be... it looks REALLY good in it's grandpappy's colors!

If anything, I'd give it an extra shield as this is the top of the line fighter for the Republic. As for the dial? I'd say make it similar to the E-Wing. I'm thinking with the S-Foils closed, grant it the ability to double reposition. Hypothetically speaking, this should be an expensive ship to run for both fluff and gameplay reasons (fluff because it's unlikely the Resistance had many, if any, T-85s) and because this thing would be a BEAST to go up against... I'd put it on par with a TIE Defender.

I'm guessing the T-85 will be 67 pts minimum for the generic (limiting it to 2 per list max) with a really good ship ability and lots of slots, and the T-70 will be 51pts minimum for the low end generic (3 per list max) due to the capabilities of the ship and the known upgrades. I'm expecting allot of hate directed towards both X-Wings.

22 minutes ago, Hiemfire said:

I'm guessing the T-85 will be 67 pts minimum for the generic (limiting it to 2 per list max) with a really good ship ability and lots of slots, and the T-70 will be 51pts minimum for the low end generic (3 per list max) due to the capabilities of the ship and the known upgrades. I'm expecting allot of hate directed towards both X-Wings.

I'd suspect something like that too. The T-85 no doubt will be the Tie Defender/E-Wing Super Fighter of the faction so it should be priced as such. And it falls in line with what FFG has said that for the most part the Resistance will be a 2-3 ship list of aces. Of course, I wouldn't mind if maybe 4 T-70s was a thing at say 49 points a piece for the cheapest generic, not ideal or overly practical but you could choose to run it like that if you want sort of thing.

1 minute ago, Animewarsdude said:

I'd suspect something like that too. The T-85 no doubt will be the Tie Defender/E-Wing Super Fighter of the faction so it should be priced as such. And it falls in line with what FFG has said that for the most part the Resistance will be a 2-3 ship list of aces. Of course, I wouldn't mind if maybe 4 T-70s was a thing at say 49 points a piece for the cheapest generic , not ideal or overly practical but you could choose to run it like that if you want sort of thing.

I think that part might change after you've faced an arc dodging 3 die bullseye arc primary T-70 (foils closed still has full primary in the bullseye arc).

23 minutes ago, Hiemfire said:

I think that part might change after you've faced an arc dodging 3 die bullseye arc primary T-70 (foils closed still has full primary in the bullseye arc).

Quite possibly.

3 hours ago, Captain Lackwit said:

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

I LOVE.

Also, hey, if any of you boys wanna' get that model, do me a favor and apply my paintjob to it!



I've really fallen in love with this thing. It's totally insane.

I love these colors! Only thing I think I would do differently is change the red to blue, just to keep the Resistance color scheme. I'm so close to ordering it.

2 hours ago, Stealthcmc1974 said:

I love these colors! Only thing I think I would do differently is change the red to blue, just to keep the Resistance color scheme. I'm so close to ordering it.

Resistance has other colors as well. Some of the Starfortresses are red and some are blue. Same could be said for the new A-wings as well. And for one of the Resistance trailers Kaz seems to be flying a red T-70.

Of course if you prefer blue you can so that but red is also a choice.

Decided to play around a bit with Blender. This is a very, VERY rough model, and there's a lot I'm not happy with: The cockpit feels out of scale, for one, and some of the lines aren't quite right (I'd really need to go back to my T-65 model as a reference, and maybe get some good schematics together).

I kept the extended sensor cone, but ditched the fins and the, terraced underside. I also liked the exaggerated forward-swept trailing edge of the s-foils, and the bit of a notch in the inner part of the leading edge. The S-foil pivot has been moved to the centerline, which makes much more sense mechanically, as it would be much more stable and durable. However I also gave it full-chord foils rather than the staggered scissor wing of the T-70. Engine pods would more or less be the same, but at least this iteration drops the split engine look (I could probably make it work with the split engines, but I'm not a fan there, either). I also gave it some REAL guns, not those stubby-looking peashooters. I also cleaned off all the other unnecessary fins and projecting bits to get rid of the over-engineered look. Some I might work back in if I were to do a serious model of it.

Like I said, this was about an hour's work and I'm not happy with quite a few places. But this is an idea of the direction I would go.

@Ambaryerno while it looks nice, at the scale of the miniatures in X-Wing and the need to easily distinguish the T-85 from the others in the family by those less nuanced with Star Wars than us, the design is unfortunately too similar to the T-65 for the leyman to distinguish it. Still sweet looking.

27 minutes ago, Hiemfire said:

@Ambaryerno while it looks nice, at the scale of the miniatures in X-Wing and the need to easily distinguish the T-85 from the others in the family by those less nuanced with Star Wars than us, the design is unfortunately too similar to the T-65 for the leyman to distinguish it. Still sweet looking.

I'm not doing this for X-Wing. I'm doing it because I just plain don't like the design in Resistance. ?

And as I said, it's a VERY rough hour's bit of work. If I were to model it seriously I'd do a bit more to differentiate it

7 hours ago, Kehl_Aecea said:

Well... I'll be... it looks REALLY good in it's grandpappy's colors!

If anything, I'd give it an extra shield as this is the top of the line fighter for the Republic. As for the dial? I'd say make it similar to the E-Wing. I'm thinking with the S-Foils closed, grant it the ability to double reposition. Hypothetically speaking, this should be an expensive ship to run for both fluff and gameplay reasons (fluff because it's unlikely the Resistance had many, if any, T-85s) and because this thing would be a BEAST to go up against... I'd put it on par with a TIE Defender.

**** YES it looks good in those colors!

And yeah, fully agreed. The T-85 is an insane ship, game definitely needs to reflect that once the time comes.

5 hours ago, Stealthcmc1974 said:

I love these colors! Only thing I think I would do differently is change the red to blue, just to keep the Resistance color scheme. I'm so close to ordering it.

Order two, do both, keep me updated with pretty pictures!

1 hour ago, Ambaryerno said:

Decided to play around a bit with Blender. This is a very, VERY rough model, and there's a lot I'm not happy with: The cockpit feels out of scale, for one, and some of the lines aren't quite right (I'd really need to go back to my T-65 model as a reference, and maybe get some good schematics together).

I kept the extended sensor cone, but ditched the fins and the, terraced underside. I also liked the exaggerated forward-swept trailing edge of the s-foils, and the bit of a notch in the inner part of the leading edge. The S-foil pivot has been moved to the centerline, which makes much more sense mechanically, as it would be much more stable and durable. However I also gave it full-chord foils rather than the staggered scissor wing of the T-70. Engine pods would more or less be the same, but at least this iteration drops the split engine look (I could probably make it work with the split engines, but I'm not a fan there, either). I also gave it some REAL guns, not those stubby-looking peashooters. I also cleaned off all the other unnecessary fins and projecting bits to get rid of the over-engineered look. Some I might work back in if I were to do a serious model of it.

Like I said, this was about an hour's work and I'm not happy with quite a few places. But this is an idea of the direction I would go.

Look I don't want to be a jerk but you know what's so good about the T-85? You can't possibly confuse it with the T-65 past first glance. it's very different.

This? Pretty much a modified T-65. Gun mass is also way too big, almost ARC-like.

7 hours ago, KiraYamatoSF said:

Resistance has other colors as well. Some of the Starfortresses are red and some are blue. Same could be said for the new A-wings as well. And for one of the Resistance trailers Kaz seems to be flying a red T-70.

Of course if you prefer blue you can so that but red is also a choice.

What I meant is that I'm just keeping it in line with the releasing Resistance ships. The T-70 is blue, the RZ-2 is blue. Honestly, FFG releasing ships in multiple colors would be great.

Like, here is a bunch of Starfortress'. You can choose either Cobalt or Crimson squadron off the rack. That way you can match all your ships together without hassle. (Speaking of I still need to get a Starfortress).

4 hours ago, Captain Lackwit said:

Order two, do both, keep me updated with pretty pictures!

Alas, money is a factor. I don't have the skill to paint myself so I have to pay for that too. But considering the Resistance has Red and Blue squadrons, I think I will do red. But your fantastic layout will look great in a lot of colors.

I'm not up-to-date on my Aurebesh. What does it say on the side there? I play on having it say "Red-3" on the side panel there.

7 hours ago, Captain Lackwit said:

Look I don't want to be a jerk but you know what's so good about the T-85? You can't possibly confuse it with the T-65 past first glance. it's very different.

This? Pretty much a modified T-65. Gun mass is also way too big, almost ARC-like.

That's the point. What's in Resistance doesn't even look like it comes from the same FRANCHISE much less the same family tree.

And really, how many times must I reiterate this was the first draft after an hour's worth of work?

5 hours ago, Stealthcmc1974 said:

What I meant is that I'm just keeping it in line with the releasing Resistance ships. The T-70 is blue, the RZ-2 is blue. Honestly, FFG releasing ships in multiple colors would be great.

Like, here is a bunch of Starfortress'. You can choose either Cobalt or Crimson squadron off the rack  . That way you can match all your ships together without hassle. (Speaking of I still need to get a Starfortress).

Alas, money is a factor. I don't have the skill to paint myself so I have to pay for that too. But considering the Resistance has Red and Blue squadrons, I think I will do red. But your fantastic layout will look great in a lot of colors.

I'm not up-to-date on my Aurebesh. What does it say on the side there? I play on having it say "Red-3" on the side panel there.

Fantastic!? Aw, thank you! I can do others if you guys want. And yes, that does say Red-3, but tbh so do the markings on the wings so it was very redundant on my part, lol oops.

2 hours ago, Ambaryerno said:

That's the point. What's in Resistance doesn't even look like it comes from the same FRANCHISE much less the same family tree.

And really, how many times must I reiterate this was the first draft after an hour's worth of work?

1: You're right. What you made takes less risks than Disney. The T-85 looks plenty like it comes from the same franchise, but I'm going to go out on a limb and assert that you don't think the N1 Starfighter looks like Star Wars either, do you?

Something the fanbase needs to learn is that sometimes, a franchise needs to stretch its legs aesthetically.

Otherwise we just end up with upgunned slightly longer T-65 X-Wings.

Gotta love that whenever Disney makes a new ship people complain that it looks too different from previous ships or that it is too similar to older ships.

Honestly I think its okay there may be radical new changes to ships whether it may be new parts or equipment in Star Wars or a new fad. Another thing to keep in mind is the wide range of aliens and just how big the galaxy is. From the Naboo liking sleek chrome vehicles, Mon Cal bubbly ship design, Kuat's love for triangles, Geonosian insect like designs, and more. So after what, 30 years after the return of the jedi the galaxy is likely to have several new designs.

Thats the cool thing about Star Wars to me, there are some bad designs but all the different types of ships and changes are nice to see.

On 10/13/2018 at 1:35 AM, Animewarsdude said:

I'd suspect something like that too. The T-85 no doubt will be the Tie Defender/E-Wing Super Fighter of the faction so it should be priced as such. And it falls in line with what FFG has said that for the most part the Resistance will be a 2-3 ship list of aces. Of course, I wouldn't mind if maybe 4 T-70s was a thing at say 49 points a piece for the cheapest generic, not ideal or overly practical but you could choose to run it like that if you want sort of thing.

The conversion kit comes with components to convert 4x T70 X-wings, so 4 in a list will be a thing.

On 10/13/2018 at 7:00 AM, Ambaryerno said:

I’m afraid no one will see a T-85 there.

Even if you label it as T-85, people will tell: “No, you are wrong, that’s a rough/fan version of a T-65”.

And if you insist that it’s YOUR version of a T-85, people will simply answer: “Man, let the past die...”

Hull v.2.

Taking a lot more time for this version. Beveling and smoothing has been applied to make the lines stand out more, and I've incorporated a subdued version of the "chin" on the sensor cone. Scaling of the cockpit has been corrected.

Comparison between the hulls.

Sorry, but this isn't really the place for your fan-version of the X-wing.

5 minutes ago, redxavier said:

Sorry, but this isn't really the place for your fan-version of the X-wing.

#gatekeeping

5 hours ago, redxavier said:

Sorry, but this isn't really the place for your fan-version of the X-wing.

Okay look I haven't been gracious but that is just a **** move.

6 hours ago, Ambaryerno said:

Hull v.2.

Taking a lot more time for this version. Beveling and smoothing has been applied to make the lines stand out more, and I've incorporated a subdued version of the "chin" on the sensor cone. Scaling of the cockpit has been corrected.

Comparison between the hulls.

You've got me curious to see what you end up with.

Gotta' be real though, still wanna' see the canards.

8 hours ago, redxavier said:

Sorry, but this isn't really the place for your fan-version of the X-wing.

Dude, let him design the T-85 he wants. I wanna see it, if only for comparison. I love the Disney design, but you can't go wrong with more X-Wings, fan-made or otherwise.

3 hours ago, Captain Lackwit said:

Gotta' be real though, still wanna' see the canards.

Unless I can find an actual practical purpose for the canards, I'm not putting them in. The only practical purpose I can think of off-hand would be as an RCS cluster, which we've never seen in a Star Wars ship before (all attitude control in Star Wars appears to be some manner of differential thrust, vectoring, gyrocopic, or simply using repulsors).

Speaking of which:

Nailing two mynocks with one stone. The placement of the secondary hull thrusters is EXTREMELY problematic. So I'm giving those pods on the aft hull an actual purpose and moving the thrusters out there. This puts them in a much better position if you assume these are for maneuvering assistance (as small as they are on Disney's design they'd be almost useless as propulsion, and clustering them extremely close together around the centerline wouldn't be practical for maneuvering) and freeing up space for all the other junk that occupies the aft hull. This will also allow a conventional S-foil mechanism as on the T-65 and T-70 (with the hull thrusters, the wings would have to be separated into left and right pairs, which is more complex and much less robust and durable).

Need to tweak a couple things, but this should keep them clear of the S-foils.

Also playing a bit with materials. Going with "X-Wing Semi-gloss Gray" for the hull with the Haze Gray canopy.

15 minutes ago, Ambaryerno said:

Nailing two mynocks with one stone. The placement of the secondary hull thrusters is EXTREMELY problematic. So I'm giving those pods on the aft hull an actual purpose and moving the thrusters out there. This puts them in a much better position if you assume these are for maneuvering assistance (as small as they are on Disney's design they'd be almost useless as propulsion, and clustering them extremely close together around the centerline wouldn't be practical for maneuvering) and freeing up space for all the other junk that occupies the aft hull. This will also allow a conventional S-foil mechanism as on the T-65 and T-70 (with the hull thrusters, the wings would have to be separated into left and right pairs, which is more complex and much less robust and durable).

I kind of suspect that the engines on the T-85 are there to make the ship look fast to people in general and in universe is to act as a reusable straight line boost like how Poe's T-70 in TLJ had the extra bit thrown onto the back of the craft to race towards the dreadnought.

9 minutes ago, Animewarsdude said:

I kind of suspect that the engines on the T-85 are there to make the ship look fast to people in general and in universe is to act as a reusable straight line boost like how Poe's T-70 in TLJ had the extra bit thrown onto the back of the craft to race towards the dreadnought.

If they're the design equivalent of Go Faster Stripes they work just as well moved out into the pods, rather than taking up the space the S-foil mechanism, cooling system, fuel tank, main reactor, and central hyperdrive occupy.

25 minutes ago, Ambaryerno said:

If they're the design equivalent of Go Faster Stripes they work just as well moved out into the pods, rather than taking up the space the S-foil mechanism, cooling system, fuel tank, main reactor, and central hyperdrive occupy.

Didn't say it was smart just basing it on the placement of the bit on Poe's T-70 during TLJ. It was likely someone thinking adding more engines would make it faster and so went with that. The main thing I like about it is that it is easily distinguishable compared to the T-65 and T-70, which is honestly what they have to do to sell toys and the like.

Also, racing stripes and flames do make things go faster, haven't you seen N'Dru?