2 hours ago, Muelmuel said:

Well it certainly should not be a direct ripoff of someone else's work. They can probably give it a blue resistance paint scheme no problem. The thing is more about substantially differentiating from the original xwing design while still keeping close to its silhouette

You're kidding right? The design of that 'USAF X-wing' is no more different from the T-65 than the T-70 we got....

7 minutes ago, redxavier said:

You're kidding right? The design of that 'USAF X-wing' is no more different from the T-65 than the T-70 we got....

And if it was too different people would be mad.

But I mean, it looks wildly different to me.

On 9/28/2018 at 3:47 PM, KiraYamatoSF said:

I gotta say I think I like the new X-wing, if this is a T-85 I think I approve.

Some things to note is the nose is slightly different, maybe something for system or a pod? Seems like there is a light or two there. On the sides of the nose it seems there is a fin there based on the ship on the right. Since this ship has eight engines it seems it might have slam, high agility, and/or good dial. Also minor thing but the engine glow is blue, not purple like the 65 and 70, and the middle ones are yellow. So this might be even more of an indication this ship is a next generation one. Seems to have a bit underbelly, wonder if there is any extra weaponry or something in there? Lasers are also stubby, wonder if this is just for show or if there is a reason.

Also I think I see lights on the backside of each laser...more engines or something?

my guess is that this T-8#(whatever t turns out to be) will end up being a "heavy fighter".. cannons in the nose (we do see the red TIE ion'd after all) , and we can see the usual Proton Torp tubes on the side.. my guess is it will end up being sorta like the B-wing.. less agile than the T-70, but with better shields and/or hull, and packing at minimum a torp and cannon slot together.

2 minutes ago, mithril2098 said:

my guess is that this T-8#(whatever t turns out to be) will end up being a "heavy fighter".. cannons in the nose (we do see the red TIE ion'd after all) , and we can see the usual Proton Torp tubes on the side.. my guess is it will end up being sorta like the B-wing.. less agile than the T-70, but with better shields and/or hull, and packing at minimum a torp and cannon slot together.

Maybe instead of having the T-70's ship ability the T-85 just has the Torpedo, Cannon, and Missile slot natively. Then add an extra hull to it, change up the dial a little, and give its Closed S-foils configuration a SLAM and it would sort of make it into the super X-Wing.

On 9/27/2018 at 5:11 PM, Animewarsdude said:



So, I have a specific criticism, instead of just a vague, “I don’t like it”.

It may just be the animation style, but I don’t like that the axis for the s-foils is right there on the surface of the fuselage. On both other x-wings, the wings rotated around a point that was internal to the ship and these don’t, which, again, might be artistic style, but if it is, it’s a bad one, and if it isn’t it’s amateurish design. It makes the thing look like a toy instead of a machine.

1 hour ago, Forgottenlore said:

So, I have a specific criticism, instead of just a vague, “I don’t like it”.

It may just be the animation style, but I don’t like that the axis for the s-foils is right there on the surface of the fuselage. On both other x-wings, the wings rotated around a point that was internal to the ship and these don’t, which, again, might be artistic style, but if it is, it’s a bad one, and if it isn’t it’s amateurish design. It makes the thing look like a toy instead of a machine.

I think the only thing we can really compare them to so far is the X-Wing from Rebels seeing as I don't think we've seen a T-70 in the show with its wings open. Part of it might be a wait and see thing too, at the very least I look forward to see the miniature that FFG will make of it, which might be the first realistic design of it if the craft doesn't show up in Episode 9.

You'd think the people who did this show would have had access to the original film models in the archives for comparison. I see so many errors...

Pretty sure they don't really matter when you have to build a whole new model into a whole new program.

9 minutes ago, Sithborg said:

Pretty sure they don't really matter when you have to build a whole new model into a whole new program.

I made this entirely from photo references and a handful of blueprints drawn off the actual effects models. It's as accurate as I can make it (note that some surface details on the hull, engines, and S-Foils are missing because every X-wing model had some slight differences, and I'm trying to think of how best to do them dynamically). I even have the little hinged cover plates inside the S-foils on the effects models (clearly present on Red Two) that are almost never shown in any other source.

So I don't buy that as an excuse.

Yeah, and Vader and Tarkin and Palpatine and the Royal guards aren't exactly film accurate either.

6 hours ago, Ambaryerno said:

You'd think the people who did this show would have had access to the original film models in the archives for comparison. I see so many errors...

What are you babbling about? It's accurate/realistic enough that is looks almost out of place in Rebels, dude. Even the Battlefront II 2 model doesn't have some of the stuff you're talking about (Which might mean it's not supposed to be there.)

6 hours ago, Captain Lackwit said:

Even the Battlefront II 2 model doesn't have some of the stuff you're talking about (Which might mean it's not supposed to be there.)

No, it means they didn't give due diligence to their research. If it's in the movie, it's supposed to be there.

The main issue on the Rebels model is the spread of the foils is much too wide in the open position, (looks close to 45 degrees, here. In the effects models the spread is about 34) and it looks like the pivot points are too far outboard. On the effects models the offset wings are paired together (top left to bottom right, top right to bottom left) and pivot around a central hinge mechanism. You don't see this in the films because it's covered by those smaller hinged plates (which are particularly evident in the Red Two model, which was the first of the X-wing models built). This makes mechanical sense because it presents a simpler, and much more robust, mounting point.

And there are visual differences to the TIE Fighter as well. No big deal.

2 hours ago, Ambaryerno said:

No, it means they didn't give due diligence to their research. If it's in the movie, it's supposed to be there.

The main issue on the Rebels model is the spread of the foils is much too wide in the open position, (looks close to 45 degrees, here. In the effects models the spread is about 34) and it looks like the pivot points are too far outboard. On the effects models the offset wings are paired together (top left to bottom right, top right to bottom left) and pivot around a central hinge mechanism. You don't see this in the films because it's covered by those smaller hinged plates (which are particularly evident in the Red Two model, which was the first of the X-wing models built). This makes mechanical sense because it presents a simpler, and much more robust, mounting point.

Okay. Explain the TIE Fighters, Star Destroyers, and so on..?

Because it really, REALLY just comes down to a matter of stylization.

On 9/28/2018 at 2:29 PM, HanScottFirst said:

So, if they do make a Tie/FO Interceptor, how would it differentiate itself from the Silencer?

The Silencer has the the same ship ability as the Interceptor, and adds some shields. Typically the FO protocol has been to add shields, slightly improve the dial, and call it a day. . . so it sounds like the Silencer is the FO's version of the Interceptor, at least for X-Wing.

I mean, I'm sure the FO Interceptor and TIE Silencer are different ships, but how would you differentiate them in the game?

I would cross the TAP v1 and the M3-A Scyk:

• Statline: 2/3/3/1
• Action Bar: Focus, Evade, Boost > Focus, Barrel Roll > Focus
• Upgrades: Cannon, Tech, Modification
• Dial: don't give it the blue-2s. Give it either Blue 1s like the v1, or maybe something wild like blue 3s. That'd be interesting, having a ship with the Blues of the Lancer, but the white moves of a TIE Fighter (the only 1s are the hard turns). Since the Silencer has Tallon Rolls, give this S-Loops.
• Ship Ability: While you perform a [cannon] attack, you may increase or decrease the range requirements, to a limit of 0-3. If you do, roll 1 fewer attack die.
  • You need that last bit to prevent a 5-dice HLC at range 1, because that would totally be fair on a ship which might get an Init 6 pilot. But getting some kinds of cannons at Range 0 would be pretty cool.

Hey boys, it's confirmed..!

What weird ship! But you know, I kinda' dig it?

Yup, yup, really looking forward to the mini that FFG will put out.

18 minutes ago, Animewarsdude said:

Yup, yup, really looking forward to the mini that FFG will put out.

Same!

Though uh, hopefully with a less Garish paintjob? lol.

This thing is really cool though. Agile too, but I think it's fat enough that it ain't gettin' 3 green dice.

2 minutes ago, Captain Lackwit said:

Same!

Though uh, hopefully with a less Garish paintjob? lol.

This thing is really cool though. Agile too, but I think it's fat enough that it ain't gettin' 3 green dice.

Oh yeah, 3 green seems unlikely. It does seem like it's dial will be interesting as it appears to have quite some engines and some level of maneuverability.

I think the paint-job will look better on a miniature than it does in the show. Of all the various ships on the Colossus, it's weird that this one looks kind of weird in comparison. I think in action, with seeing it from more angles, it does look better than it did when just seeing a couple of angles. I'm sure FFG will make it look good.

3 minutes ago, Captain Lackwit said:

Same!

Though uh, hopefully with a less Garish paintjob? lol.

This thing is really cool though. Agile too, but I think it's fat enough that it ain't gettin' 3 green dice.

It will lose the Aurebesh, and possibly the New Republic logo if the idea was that the Resistance found some and grabbed them. Hopefully they will keep the black and darker blue in the paint scheme so someone could at a quick glance tell it apart from a T-70.

I suspect it will have two dice for evasion, that or maybe it gets an evade token from doing a barrel roll and the Interceptor is rolling lots of blanks on his attacks.

1 hour ago, Animewarsdude said:

It will lose the Aurebesh, and possibly the New Republic logo if the idea was that the Resistance found some and grabbed them. Hopefully they will keep the black and darker blue in the paint scheme so someone could at a quick glance tell it apart from a T-70.

I suspect it will have two dice for evasion, that or maybe it gets an evade token from doing a barrel roll and the Interceptor is rolling lots of blanks on his attacks.

Barrel roll link into stress evade, holy crap that sounds terrifyingly agile.

38 minutes ago, Captain Lackwit said:

Barrel roll link into stress evade, holy crap that sounds terrifyingly agile.

Probably not as much as it might. Give them the option to also be able to choose to have the T-85 perform a medium/large base barrel roll though and it would open up tons of options for lining up its bullseye arc.

3 minutes ago, Animewarsdude said:

Probably not as much as it might. Give them the option to also be able to choose to have the T-85 perform a medium/large base barrel roll though and it would open up tons of options for lining up its bullseye arc.

honestly I don't fancy myself an Imperial player but I am absolutely voracious for Aggressors and Gunboats.

7 minutes ago, Captain Lackwit said:

honestly I don't fancy myself an Imperial player but I am absolutely voracious for Aggressors and Gunboats.

Have any luck with the Aggressor in 2.0? Actually curious to hear how well its been used.

18 minutes ago, Animewarsdude said:

Have any luck with the Aggressor in 2.0? Actually curious to hear how well its been used.

Iunno, I don't own any.