Can a Squad Leader with only red boost coordinate a white boost? I've seen many people assume yes, but my initial read was no, because Engine Upgrade gives you both red and white boosts in your action bar, suggesting that they may not be considered the same action.

I don't think there's a RAW answer to this question.

That's a great question.

I would say no because of these rules:

"• Actions are either white or red. After a ship performs or fails a red
action, it gains one stress token.
◊ If a ship is instructed to perform an action, the action is white unless
stated otherwise." - page 3 of the rules reference

My argument would be that it defines the actions separately as either white or red. The second sentence to me would indicate the coordinate is instructing the other ship to do a "red boost" as that's the action it has on its action bar.

But this is a ton of guessing on my part... I don't truly know if the colour of the action 100% separates it as a different action. I would Agree with you in saying engine upgrade adding the white boost in addition to the red boost shows they are distinct.

2 minutes ago, Icelom said:

That's a great question.

I would say no because of these rules:

"• Actions are either white or red. After a ship performs or fails a red
action, it gains one stress token.
◊ If a ship is instructed to perform an action, the action is white unless
stated otherwise." - page 3 of the rules reference

My argument would be that it defines the actions separately as either white or red. The second sentence to me would indicate the coordinate is instructing the other ship to do a "red boost" as that's the action it has on its action bar.

But this is a ton of guessing on my part... I don't truly know if the colour of the action 100% separates it as a different action. I would Agree with you in saying engine upgrade adding the white boost in addition to the red boost shows they are distinct.

Although if this is the case (and I also don't know the true answer... such a good question), then not only would that chosen ship have to do a red boost, it could only do it if it had the red boost action on its card (it couldn't turn its white boost into a red one, if we are defining them as separate actions completely)

44 minutes ago, Icelom said:

My argument would be that it defines the actions separately as either white or red. The second sentence to me would indicate the coordinate is instructing the other ship to do a "red boost" as that's the action it has on its action bar.

But the rulebook does not make a distinction Red Boost and White Boost when it defines the Boost action nor does it for any other actions. Are you suggesting the possibility of doing a White Boost and a Red Boost in the same turn? The rulebook prohibits the same action twice in a turn.

Or take Jan Ors who has white rotate and linked focus- red rotate. If she did the white Rotate and was later given an additional chance to take an action she couldn't focus or target lock and then red rotate right? And having engine upgrade equipped wouldn't allow a white boost and then given a co-ordinate action allow the red boost.

Squad Leader in my opinion is color blind and only cares that both ships have focus or boost or what have you.

4 minutes ago, Frimmel said:

But the rulebook does not make a distinction Red Boost and White Boost when it defines the Boost action nor does it for any other actions. Are you suggesting the possibility of doing a White Boost and a Red Boost in the same turn? The rulebook prohibits the same action twice in a turn.

Or take Jan Ors who has white rotate and linked focus- red rotate. If she did the white Rotate and was later given an additional chance to take an action she couldn't focus or target lock and then red rotate right? And having engine upgrade equipped wouldn't allow a white boost and then given a co-ordinate action allow the red boost.

Squad Leader in my opinion is color blind and only cares that both ships have focus or boost or what have you.

That's why I said I don't know... its kind of in the air.

You might be 100% correct... I just don't know. The game feels like it defines them both ways... red and white being the same and different.

What if the 1x of each action type per turn is the thing that's colour blind? but squad leader is not? its just not super clear is all.

After more thought, I think you are right... but still feels like we need a rules clarification or this argument is going to come up often.

I think Squad Leader is difficulty agnostic, personally.

Consider: A ship can't perform the same action twice regardless of difficulty. You can't take a focus action normally, then later use Scum Han Solo Gunner to take a second red focus action when you engage. As such, there must be a kind of uniqueness to an action which is preserved across difficulty.

How I see Squad Leader Working: If the symbol (regardless of difficulty) is on Squad Leader's bar and the action bar of the coordinate target, the target can take the action with the difficulty on the target's bar.

I'll also agree that there are counter-arguments. For example, Engine Upgrade, Tactical Officer, and Expert Handling all require specific colors of actions in order to be equipped. If there's evidence both ways, my inclination would be to rule in the direction which seems most "fair" to me, and I think that's letting a HWK squad leader coordinate someone with a white boost. Rules-As-Justice, let's call it.

the game does seem to feel like its defining it both as "An action is an action regardless of color" but also "White actions and red actions are different"

i suspect its the former, as the latter would cause some weird things like doing the action twice as mentioned, but one stresses you.

Good question, ffg will have to clarify this.

18 hours ago, Icelom said:

My argument would be that it defines the actions separately as either white or red. The second sentence to me would indicate the coordinate is instructing the other ship to do a "red boost" as that's the action it has on its action bar.

This can't be correct. They're not separate actions.

If they were, Lando with Engine Upgrade could perform a white boost after performing a blue maneuever, and then perform a red boost with his action.

The colour on an action means as little and as much as the colour on a maneuver - it simply tells you how that action interacts with stress for that particular ship . There is no difference between a red 3 bank and a white 3 bank except one gives you stress and the other doesn't. There is no difference between a red boost and a white boost except one gives you stress and the other doesn't.

If a ship has a red boost on its action bar, it has boost on its action bar. Simple as.

I would say a ship with a red boost and Squad Leader can absolutely co-ordinate a white boost on a ship with a white boost on its action bar.

If that were not the case, Squad Leader would absolutely specify that the target's co-ordinated action must also be the same colour as the Squad Leader's action. Every other time the colour of an action is not white, it is specified on the upgrade card.

It seems like from the rules a boost action is a a boost action irrelevant of colour and only if you have an effect which care about the colour do you check it. Treating them as different actions would allow a Star Viper with Virago to white boost and red boost in the same turn. based on this

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Actions are either white or red. After a ship performs or fails a red action, it gains one stress token.

It seems the colour of the action is a property of the action, not a defining feature of it.

Looking at this a bit more, You can put a crew requiring Co-ordinate on a Tie Reaper, meaning that a Red Co-ordinate and a White Co-ordinate are both the same Co-ordinate Action irrelevant of colour. So a Boost is a boost irrelevant of colour.

nvm