I’d like to see the following as commanders/ operatives (all of these I think are likely to come out next):

Old Ben Kenobi

Lando Calrissian

C3PO and R2 maybe as a single unit?

34 minutes ago, lukecook said:

I’d like to see the following as commanders/ operatives (all of these I think are likely to come out next):

Old Ben Kenobi

Lando Calrissian

C3PO and R2 maybe as a single unit?

The game needs a lot more commanders so hopefully something along these lines and Mothma, Reikan etc. It's hard to make armies with assorted themes when you have to include Luke Skywalker himself ?

Hera, Asohka, Lando, maybe even ackbar...

Yes, all in time we will have our goodies!

12 hours ago, TauntaunScout said:

I said "aside from force users".

I did see that. I just think the "more civilized age" thing has really infiltrated the SW universe's design and ethos. Its not just when we can get what are effectively Palace Guards, employed to combat assassins with Melee specialisation kit and training, tearing about the battlefield in Legion. It was the defining moments in the Prequel trilogy, where mass melee was employed, even in fighter combat (buzz droids). Luke's derisive comment to Rey in TLJ Is a nod in this direction - "What did you expect me to do, take on the whole First Order with a laser sword?!"

12 minutes ago, Jedirev said:

I did see that. I just think the "more civilized age" thing has really infiltrated the SW universe's design and ethos. Its not just when we can get what are effectively Palace Guards, employed to combat assassins with Melee specialisation kit and training, tearing about the battlefield in Legion. It was the defining moments in the Prequel trilogy, where mass melee was employed, even in fighter combat (buzz droids). Luke's derisive comment to Rey in TLJ Is a nod in this direction - "What did you expect me to do, take on the whole First Order with a laser sword?!"

It can't be that big of a part of their mode of wafare: Stormtroopers don't even carry sheathed bayonets on screen.

Back in MY day ... if red guards appeared on a tabletop near you, they had heavy blaster pistols in addition to force pikes... At least according to the army list update in Imperial Entanglements. NOW GET OFF MY LAWN. Though the emperor could presumably trust his (brainwashed, genetically modified, fanatically loyal) bodyguards to carry guns whereas Jabba probably didn't trust just ANYONE in the building to get a blaster... but I think if he sent a bunch of his minions out to fight in the desert they'd all have guns.

It worked ok in D20 (not great but ok) to have lots of melee models running around, but I think it's because it was a very different endeavor from Legion. It only used a few guys so you might take that brawler to fill in a couple odd points at the end of your list, figures were cheap enough to collect weird lists for homebrew scenarios, etc.

IA likewise had what amounted to very dense terrain, being a boardgame set indoors and all, in which melee models could be more easily balanced.

35 minutes ago, TauntaunScout said:

Back in MY day ... if red guards appeared on a tabletop near you, they had heavy blaster pistols in addition to force pikes...

You mean like the EC-17 Holdout Blasters the Imperial Royal Guard get in Legion?

13 hours ago, devin.pike.1989 said:

maybe even ackbar...

leave the admiral out of this!

2 hours ago, Lochlan said:

You mean like the EC-17 Holdout Blasters the Imperial Royal Guard get in Legion?

Yeah, I'm not too concerned with FFG giving us a melee-only figure outside of force-users. Royal Guards, Wookiee Warriors... they are melee-centric units and both still have a ranged attack.

I'd expect the same from Ewoks. Likely a minimal ranged attack (white attack with no surge?) and then a melee attack (would love to see them be a swarm type unit where they actually throw 2 white dice per figure in the unit but have a much higher figure count than the RGs/WWs).

3 hours ago, TauntaunScout said:

It can't be that big of a part of their mode of wafare: Stormtroopers don't even carry sheathed bayonets on screen.

Back in MY day ... if red guards appeared on a tabletop near you, they had heavy blaster pistols in addition to force pikes... At least according to the army list update in Imperial Entanglements. NOW GET OFF MY LAWN. Though the emperor could presumably trust his (brainwashed, genetically modified, fanatically loyal) bodyguards to carry guns whereas Jabba probably didn't trust just ANYONE in the building to get a blaster... but I think if he sent a bunch of his minions out to fight in the desert they'd all have guns.

It worked ok in D20 (not great but ok) to have lots of melee models running around, but I think it's because it was a very different endeavor from Legion. It only used a few guys so you might take that brawler to fill in a couple odd points at the end of your list, figures were cheap enough to collect weird lists for homebrew scenarios, etc.

IA likewise had what amounted to very dense terrain, being a boardgame set indoors and all, in which melee models could be more easily balanced.

Comparing legion to WEG is not particularly useful for a number of reasons. Number one being that there has been an enormous shift in what is considered canon. WEG presented a star warsthat was more like hammers slammers or other military sci fi. While I love hammers slammers, there is something about star wars that needs to be more than Vietnam era armies in space. Star wars is an odd conglomeration of western gunslingers, kung fu, ww2 dogfighting and 1930s pulp adventure. It doesn't make sense but that is part of its charm. I think star wars is a universe where you CAN have melee units gong head to head with blasters. Its that dune influence.

47 minutes ago, devin.pike.1989 said:

I think star wars is a universe where you CAN have melee units gong head to head with blasters. Its that dune influence.

You can, but making it work well in a miniature wargame is hard.

3 hours ago, Lochlan said:

You mean like the EC-17 Holdout Blasters the Imperial Royal Guard get in Legion?

Kinda but heavy blaster pistols were way better than holdout blasters (I'm still glad they have them though).

52 minutes ago, devin.pike.1989 said:

Comparing legion to WEG is not particularly useful for a number of reasons.

I find tracking the whole, short, history of Star Wars tabletop gaming is very useful for a number of reasons. For one thing it really helps contextualize what I'm buying and why.

16 hours ago, devin.pike.1989 said:

Hera, Asohka, Lando, maybe even ackbar...

A huge resounding yes for Lando. I would prefer the Baron Administrator and a squad of Wing Guards with a far fetch for Cloud Cars or Cloud Car pilots. I believe/hope we will see Ahsoka in the Clone Wars edition. I considered running my IA Ghost Crew as a Rebel squad replacement with either Ahsoka or the Rex type Clone. I would also like to see C-3PO & R2-D2.

2 hours ago, Geressen said:

leave the admiral out of this!

I have always wanted Admiral Ackbar added to IA and Legion. He wasn't born an Admiral and had to work his way up the ranks somehow. The Clone Wars series showed Tarkin as a tacticion before his cushy job on the Death Star. And yeah I want Tarkin too with Navy Troopers.

Rebel Marines with Cassian Andor, Saw and his Partisans. Hoth Troopers, and yes Ewoks. Although I really want Lando first. Maybe even Wedge Antilles and a Rogue Squadron.

I want a Padme Amidala Commander but it must come with like a dozen interchangeable heads with each ridiculous hair-do or as I say each hair-dont seen in the prequel films.

2 minutes ago, C3POFETT said:

I want a Padme Amidala Commander but it must come with like a dozen interchangeable heads with each ridiculous hair-do or as I say each hair-dont seen in the prequel films.

New upgrade type? Each hair-do gives her a different ability.

47 minutes ago, TauntaunScout said:

Kinda but heavy blaster pistols were way better than holdout blasters (I'm still glad they have them though).

Fair enough, but currently two black is as good as it gets for pistols (outside of characters).

22 minutes ago, FSD said:

New upgrade type? Each hair-do gives her a different ability.

Oh gosh yes please!

1 hour ago, C3POFETT said:

Rebel Marines with Cassian Andor,

What would these marines even look like that we don't already essentially have models of in the form of troopers/commandos? There's an alternate helmet style that's missing from teh R1 guys but that's about it I think. I'd just put the normal (cheap!) core game Troopers with him if/when Cassian is released.

As far as terminology goes, I think Fleet Troopers are marines. They are stationed on ships and naval bases, they fight in boarding actions, etc.

I think fleet troopers are one half of what marines do while the r1 marines do the assault landings and such

18 minutes ago, devin.pike.1989 said:

I think fleet troopers are one half of what marines do while the r1 marines do the assault landings and such

the pathfinders?

I have seen them referred to as both marines and pathfinders.

4 hours ago, devin.pike.1989 said:

I think fleet troopers are one half of what marines do while the r1 marines do the assault landings and such

But are the R1 troops even from the same type of unit? Or were they one volunteer from here, two from there?

Also what's to differentiate them from the squads that come in the game? They seem to wear the same uniform (or lack thereof). It feels to me like, here we are with Rebel Fleet Troopers out for awhile now, and people are saying "Maybe we will we see the guys from the Tantive IV !" As far as I can tell pathfinders/marines/whatever you call them were the first unit to be released. Commandos were an odd choice for that reason too but I have a theory that they were using extra designs from the process of creating the core set

Not that someone won't canonize them as a whole new branch of service if they think they'll sell well as such...

This is true. And it does highlight one of the problems common to star wars which is the "whatever a character is doing onscreen for one second, they are an expert at and every member of their species also does." So rather than one particular crew of one ship from alderaan, we have fleet troopers that represent all rebel shipboard security/infantry. Sort of like how the trandoshan hunters in imperial assault all dress in one piece flight suits like bossk. The rogue one troops were definitely from a mix of units. The rogue one visual guide talks about each individual and what they did before.

i wanna see these pathfinders, if only for the cool helmets. I would give them 2 courage, steady but with speed 2. Main weapon with 2 black 1-3 range and a heavy weapon for a grenade launcher with blast and 3 black