So, I tried a new X-Wing 2.0 list this evening with Lando flying a Modified YT-1300 in a Rebel list. His pilot ability is “After you fully execute a blue maneuver, you may choose a friendly ship at range 0-3. That ship may perform an action.” Seems reasonable, right?

So here’s the kicker......I performed a speed-2 bank maneuver and landed on an asteroid. Uh oh! Roll an attack die...No damage....Phew....But still, no shot this round......But wait! The Modified YT-1300 has a native red boost action! I’m still in Step 1 of my maneuver, and I just fully executed a blue maneuver. Cool. Lando boosts off the asteroid and gets a stress token. Sweet! I get to shoot this round after all. Too bad I have this stress token, though....But wait! That pilot ability triggered during Step 1 of Lando’s maneuver, before the Check Difficulty step! Lando now moves on to Step 2 of his maneuver, and he now has a stress token. Bye-bye, stress token!

Now, I still have to skip the Perform Action step of my activation because I landed on that stinking asteroid, but that’s all right because I just saved myself the embarrassment of watching everyone else takes shots this round while I just sat there and watched.

RETRACTION EDIT: Lando does not clear the stress token because the Check Difficulty step resolves as part of the maneuver. Then Lando's pilot ability can trigger. So, Lando can indeed use his pilot ability to boost off an asteroid, but he keeps the stress token. This also means that a previously stressed Lando gets to clear a stress token before his pilot ability would trigger.

Fully executing a maneuver means you moved and checked the difficulty, you won't be able to trigger lando's ability til after step 2. You won't be able to remove the stress token.

It's still a handy trick for ensuring that you get to engage or even boost out of arc.

Page 14 of the Rules Reference:

A ship FULLY executes a maneuver if it does not overlap a ship. If a ship executes a maneuver and overlaps a ship, it must PARTIALLY execute that maneuver by performing the following steps........

Whether or not a maneuver is fully completed has no connection to whether or not step 2 of the maneuver has been completed.

I suspect, however, that this will be updated in the Rules Reference quite soon.

7 minutes ago, Wh0isTh3D0ct0r said:

Page 14 of the Rules Reference:

A ship FULLY executes a maneuver if it does not overlap a ship. If a ship executes a maneuver and overlaps a ship, it must PARTIALLY execute that maneuver by performing the following steps........

And on page 13

A ship can execute a maneuver by resolving the following steps in order:

1.Maneuver Ship:During this step, the ship moves using the matchingtemplate.

2.Check Difficulty:During this step, if the maneuver is red, the ship gains one stress token; if the maneuver is blue,the ship removes onestress token.

If you don't do both of those steps you didn't fully execute the maneuver, nothing to update in this regard.

5 minutes ago, Wh0isTh3D0ct0r said:

Page 14 of the Rules Reference:

A ship FULLY executes a maneuver if it does not overlap a ship. If a ship executes a maneuver and overlaps a ship, it must PARTIALLY execute that maneuver by performing the following steps........

2 minutes ago, Wh0isTh3D0ct0r said:

Whether or not a maneuver is fully completed has no connection to whether or not step 2 of the maneuver has been completed.

I suspect, however, that this will be updated in the Rules Reference quite soon.

Lando happens after the whole maneuver was performed and that includes checking for stress.

Relevant text of Lando: "After you fully execute a blue maneuver"

You are correct that the "fully" as game term is not relevant. So if his text was "After you execute a blue maneuver", it would still not allow you to remove the stress. Because your extra action happens after the check stress step. There is no need to update the rules reference because it is already clear for this situation.

Just now, Oberron said:

If you don't do both of those steps you didn't fully execute the maneuver,

Not quite. He's right that "fully" has a specific meaning and does not mean "completed". But Lando's text says "after", and this is the "completed".

We are used to mixing two meanings of "fully", one is the game term for not overlapping, and one is the colloquial use for completed. But they are not the same.

The word “fully” is used to differentiate it from a partial maneuver where you overlapped another ship. The Rules Reference is very clear about what constitutes a fully executed maneuver. You are inferring something in the Rules Reference that is simply not there. Nowhere in the rules does it say that a maneuver is considered “fully executed” only after you complete both steps of the maneuver. It only considers whether or not you overlapped another ship.

I agree that the Rules Reference SHOULD specify that both steps of the maneuver must be completed before the maneuver can be considered a FULL or a PARTIAL maneuver. But for right now, it doesn’t.

9 minutes ago, GreenDragoon said:

Not quite. He's right that "fully" has a specific meaning and does not mean "completed". But Lando's text says "after", and this is the "completed".

We are used to mixing two meanings of "fully", one is the game term for not overlapping, and one is the colloquial use for completed. But they are not the same.

regardless you still have to do both steps to execute the maneuver fully or otherwise

6 minutes ago, Wh0isTh3D0ct0r said:

The word “fully” is used to differentiate it from a partial maneuver where you overlapped another ship. The Rules Reference is very clear about what constitutes a fully executed maneuver. You are inferring something in the Rules Reference that is simply not there. Nowhere in the rules does it say that a maneuver is considered “fully executed” only after you complete both steps of the maneuver. It only considers whether or not you overlapped another ship.

And a maneuver is still executed by doing both of those steps in order. You can't use lando's ability in the middle of a maneuver. Overlap talks about a ship fully executes the maneuver if it doesn't overlap a ship, and under maneuver it says what has to be done to execute a maneuver.

Further more overlap talks about while you are executing the maneuver. While=/= after.

Again, you are inferring something that simply isn’t in the Rules Reference yet.

7 minutes ago, Wh0isTh3D0ct0r said:

The word “fully” is used to differentiate it from a partial maneuver where you overlapped another ship. The Rules Reference is very clear about what constitutes a fully executed maneuver. You are inferring something in the Rules Reference that is simply not there. Nowhere in the rules does it say that a maneuver is considered “fully executed” only after you complete both steps of the maneuver. It only considers whether or not you overlapped another ship.

3 minutes ago, Wh0isTh3D0ct0r said:

I agree that the Rules Reference SHOULD specify that both steps of the maneuver must be completed before the maneuver can be considered a FULL or a PARTIAL maneuver. But for right now, it doesn’t.

You are also mixing two meanings of fully. The maneuver is complete after you complete both steps of the maneuver. The word "fully" is entirely irrelevant for the situation you described.

3 minutes ago, Oberron said:

regardless you still have to do both steps to execute the maneuver fully or otherwise

Yes. I was just pointing out that "fully" doesn't matter here because it is now a specific game term and means "unblocked". Unfortunately we are used to a different meaning from our colloquial usage where we mean "completed".

Just now, Wh0isTh3D0ct0r said:

Again, you are inferring something that simply isn’t in the Rules Reference yet.

What part? Because i've already posted exactly where it says what you need to do to execute a maneuver.

1 minute ago, GreenDragoon said:

Yes. I was just pointing out that "fully" doesn't matter here because it is now a specific game term and means "unblocked". Unfortunately we are used to a different meaning from our colloquial usage where we mean "completed".

Gotcha.

5 minutes ago, Oberron said:

What part? Because i've already posted exactly where it says what you need to do to execute a maneuver.

You are inferring that both steps of the maneuver have to be completed before it can be considered FULL or PARTIAL. Where does it say that?

Step 1: Move the ship. Was it fully executed? Yes: leave the ship at the end of the template. No: back up the ship until it’s touching.

Step 2: Now it’s time to check the maneuver difficulty.

1 minute ago, Wh0isTh3D0ct0r said:

You are inferring that both steps of the maneuver have to be completed before it can be considered FULL or PARTIAL. Where does it say that?

Step 1: Move the ship. Was it fully executed? Yes: leave the ship at the end of template. No: back up the ship until it’s touching.

Step 2: Now it’s time to check the maneuver difficulty.

A third time: the "fully" is absolutely irrelevant here. But Lando says "after". This means you get to do his action after the maneuver, not at a point during the maneuver. After means the whole maneuver, the complete maneuver. Checking stress is a part of the maneuver.

This means after is after moving and after checking stress.

3 minutes ago, GreenDragoon said:

A third time: the "fully" is absolutely irrelevant here. But Lando says "after". This means you get to do his action after the maneuver, not at a point during the maneuver. After means the whole maneuver, the complete maneuver. Checking stress is a part of the maneuver.

This means after is after moving and after checking stress.

Lando does not say “After you finish/complete a blue maneuver...” Lando says, “After you fully execute a blue maneuver...”So we check page 14 of the Rules Reference to see what constitutes fully executing a maneuver, and it doesn’t take into account anything besides whether or not you overlapped another ship.

Therefore, the “after” triggering condition applies within step 1 of the maneuver, not after step 2.

Just now, Wh0isTh3D0ct0r said:

Lando does not say “After you finish/complete a blue maneuver...” Lando says, “After you fully execute a blue maneuver...”So we check page 14 of the Rules Reference to see what constitutes fully executing a maneuver, and it doesn’t take into account anything besides whether or not you overlapped another ship.

What does after mean to you here?

You have to execute a maneuver to either fully or partially execute that maneuver. Executing a maneuver is doing both steps. If you bump a ship, you partially execute. If you don’t, you fully execute.

Do both steps without bumping, thenbtrigger lando. Easy.

1 minute ago, Wh0isTh3D0ct0r said:

You are inferring that both steps of the maneuver have to be completed before it can be considered FULL or PARTIAL. Where does it say that?

Step 1: Move the ship. Was it fully executed? Yes: leave the ship at the end of template. No: back up the ship until it’s touching.

Step 2: Now it’s time to check the maneuver difficulty.

The "fully" part talks about executing a maneuver, notice that it isn't "A ship fully execute...", but simply "A ship fully executes....", there isn't a part in the normal execute that checks if there isn't an overlap.

We have the rules for what counts as "execute a maneuver" and you have to do both steps, in order.

“After” in this case means as soon as you have placed your ship at the other end of template. Did it overlap another ship? Yes: back up the ship because it was partial. No: leave the ship at the other end of the template and “fully executed maneuver” triggering conditions immediately apply.

Just now, Wh0isTh3D0ct0r said:

“After” in this case means as soon as you have placed your ship at the other end of template. Did it overlap another ship? Yes: back up the ship because it was partial. No: leave the ship at the other end of the template and “fully executed maneuver” triggering conditions immediately apply.

Have you executed the maneuver then?

Yes. As soon as you do step 1 of the maneuver.

1 minute ago, Wh0isTh3D0ct0r said:

“After” in this case means as soon as you have placed your ship at the other end of template. Did it overlap another ship? Yes: back up the ship because it was partial. No: leave the ship at the other end of the template and “fully executed maneuver” triggering conditions immediately apply.

Now you are inferring that there is a check step for not overlapping a ship. Where does it say that?