I do not know if this question has been answered already but how does Qi'ra (Crew) and Trickshot interact? If your ignoring the obstacle do you get a extra dice for the attack? Does this work with Han solo (Pilot)?

RAW majority interpretation seems to be that Qi'ra stops Trick Shot and Han Solo's ability.

RAI seems to be that FFG intended them to work together, so that you get the benefit of Trick Shot and Han, but not the drawback of having an obstructed attack.

There isn't anything in the v102 rules reference to put RAI over RAW.

1 hour ago, theBitterFig said:

RAW majority interpretation seems to be that Qi'ra stops Trick Shot and Han Solo's ability.

RAI seems to be that FFG intended them to work together, so that you get the benefit of Trick Shot and Han, but not the drawback of having an obstructed attack.

There isn't anything in the v102 rules reference to put RAI over RAW.

Don't know if I am being think but what does RAW and RAI stand for?

Rules As Written and Rules As Intended. One can be determined by reading the rules with a small level of interpretation. The other is determined by making assumptions, right or wrong, or asking the developers in person.

And I'll just add to Joes explanation that other than the most extreme cases, when in doubt go with RAW. People attempting to go RAI can get to some crazy places on what they personally think was "intended" so for everyone's sanity and to avoid fights as much as possible we generally have to stick to RAW.

yeah, RAI assumptions have no real basis to go on.

Yeah there's absolutely no basis for thinking Qi'ra was supposed to work with Trick Shot/Han Solo and rules as written it doesn't

That’s not true that there is no basis. There is plenty of basis, the wording is just clumsy and will likely be erratad in short order to clear up and create a distinction between ignoring and ignoring effects of.

5 hours ago, AramoroA said:

Yeah there's absolutely no basis for thinking Qi'ra was supposed to work with Trick Shot/Han Solo and rules as written it doesn't

I'd disagree there. As a matter of general principle upgrades included in an expansion typically "work" with the pilots in the expansion.

Not having seen the movie I have to ask if it is fluffy (i.e. thematic) for it to not work?

Qi'Ra is certainly problematically worded for attacks given that she may be on a ship attacking a Han Solo: The Corellian Kid ship. A two point upgrade negating the ability on a fifty-six point enemy ship seems far-fetched.

Is the extra defense dice for an obstructed attack start at the attacker's end or the defender's end?

I don't tend to the idea that "ignore X" means that X ceases to be. You can "ignore the obstacle" but that doesn't necessarily mean the attack isn't obstructed or that you're not at some range of the obstacle. The obstacle is still there even if you ignore it. Does she block Han Solo: Scoundrel for Hire's ability?

To argue that she shuts off Corellian Kids ability while on his ship seems to me an argument to staple her to any Scum Ship with a crew slot as she is a collision detector on steroids at less than half the cost.

2 minutes ago, Frimmel said:

I'd disagree there. As a matter of general principle upgrades included in an expansion typically "work" with the pilots in the expansion.

Not having seen the movie I have to ask if it is fluffy (i.e. thematic) for it to not work?

Qi'Ra is certainly problematically worded for attacks given that she may be on a ship attacking a Han Solo: The Corellian Kid ship. A two point upgrade negating the ability on a fifty-six point enemy ship seems far-fetched.

Is the extra defense dice for an obstructed attack start at the attacker's end or the defender's end?

I don't tend to the idea that "ignore X" means that X ceases to be. You can "ignore the obstacle" but that doesn't necessarily mean the attack isn't obstructed or that you're not at some range of the obstacle. The obstacle is still there even if you ignore it. Does she block Han Solo: Scoundrel for Hire's ability?

The Fang Expansion pack comes with the Afterburner Upgrade, am I to assume I can use it on my Fang Fighter?

Qi'Ra

While you move and perform attacks, you ignore all obstacles that you are locking.

Han Solo

While you defend or perform a primary attack, if the attack is obstructed by an obstacle, you may roll 1 additional die.

So the argument comes down to are you obstructed by an obstacle that you are ignoring? From the rules reference the answer seems to be no. You're ignoring the obstacle when performing the attack, it's you the attacker who gives the defender the bonus dice for being obstructed in this case, if you do not grant the bonus dice to the defender then you cannot claim the bonus dice for Han.

That's basically all Qi'Ra does, stop you granting the bonus dice for being Obstructed by an Obstacle. RAW she does not allow you to perform attacks whilst you're on an asteroid.

15 minutes ago, Frimmel said:

Not having seen the movie I have to ask if it is fluffy (i.e. thematic) for it to not work?

I think, having seen the movie, it is fluffy to go into a match thinking Qi'ra and Han work well together only to find out you are oh so very wrong.

8 minutes ago, AramoroA said:

RAW she does not allow you to perform attacks whilst you're on an asteroid.

I thought you were ignoring the obstacle. Why wouldn't you be able to attack? Because you don't get to the point where the ship is performing attacks and thus having Qi'Ra doesn't matter?

6 minutes ago, Frimmel said:

I thought you were ignoring the obstacle. Why wouldn't you be able to attack? Because you don't get to the point where the ship is performing attacks and thus having Qi'Ra doesn't matter?

Yeah, you ignore the Obstacle while performing attacks, on an asteroid you cannot perform attacks. You cannot even attempt to perform an attack, hence she never kicks in. She would need to say you ignore Obstacles whilst Engaging, which would let you perform attacks.

54 minutes ago, AramoroA said:

Yeah, you ignore the Obstacle while performing attacks, on an asteroid you cannot perform attacks. You cannot even attempt to perform an attack, hence she never kicks in. She would need to say you ignore Obstacles whilst Engaging, which would let you perform attacks.

True. She should be worded more like, " While you move and engage , you ignore all obstacles that you  are locking.  "

I mean she does say "while you move or perform attacks"

Also an obstacle can obstruct an attack even if you are ignoring it's effects. Any object can obstruct an attack, however only obstacles apply an effect to said obstruction. The primary issue with Qi'Ra (which will be errata'd, bet me) is that she should read "while you move or perform attack, you ignore the effects of obstacles that you are locking".

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Just now, Kandiak said:

Also an obstacle can obstruct an attack even if you are ignoring it's effects. Any object can obstruct an attack, however only obstacles apply an effect to said obstruction. The primary issue with Qi'Ra (which will be errata'd, bet me) is that she should read "while you move of perform attack, you ignore the effects of obstacles that you are locking".

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She should be far more specific than that. I thought part of the point of going to standard size cards for upgrades is so there'd be more room for text but we have a couple of supposed confusions going on because upgrades could use more text.

6 minutes ago, Kandiak said:

Also an obstacle can obstruct an attack even if you are ignoring it's effects. Any object can obstruct an attack, however only obstacles apply an effect to said obstruction. The primary issue with Qi'Ra (which will be errata'd, bet me) is that she should read "while you move or perform attack, you ignore the effects of obstacles that you are locking".

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The fine detail on it doesn't really matter too much here with regards to Han Solo or Trick Shot. You're either Obstructed and the defender gets a bonus and Han works, or youre not obstructed and you dont.

It'll be interesting to see if they errata her to allow you to shoot whilst on a rock as that would actually be good.

That’s not true. Look up the obstruction section in the rules reference, an obstacle obstructing an attack and it’s effects are separate concepts.

Meaning an obstacle can obstruct an attack while you ignore the effects of the obstruction.

So yes Qi’Ra allows you to attack while on a locked rock similar to collision detector’s charges. What isn’t RAW is that you may ignore the effects of said obstacle in your attack which would then prevent the granting of the defender’s die. You would still get the defensive bonus in the case of a locked rock because Qi’ra Doesn’t affect an attacker shooting you through an obstacle.

Like I said, the obstructed section of the rules reference helped me really wrap my head around this better.

Qi’Ra absolutely does not allow you to attack whilst on a rock.

She does not allow you gain the benefit from Han whilst disallowing the bonus defence dice from being Obstructed. Even if you change it to effect then you won't get that as both things have the same trigger, you're either obstructed or you're not.

Sure she does. If you are ignoring the obstacle then you are ignoring its effects. Which is a distinct argument from what the errata for her ability I predict to be where she will allow you to ignore the effects of an obstacle.

Ignoring the effects of an obstacle does not mean that it isn’t obstructing an attack.

”An attack is obstructed if the attacker measures range through an object.”

Telling you dude. Read your rules reference, 1.0 logic isn’t the same in 2.0.

Further, “If a ship or device obstructs an attack, there is no inherent effect. If an obstacle obstructs an attack, there is an additional effect.”

so if Qi’Ra grants ignoring the effects of an obstacle, then the latter gets ignored.

I will grant that the use of additional is odd. Because the first statement claims no effect, but then if it is an obstacle there is an “additional” effect. When really it ought to be there there is an effect other than obstruction unless obstruction is an effect.

So I see the gray area, but based on intent in the preview article (yes yes I know an article is not a rule nor a card) my leaning is as it is.

Finally regarding Qi’ra. If you are ignoring a locked asteroid how does said asteroid prevent you from attacking?

We are either ignoring its effect or its existence. In either case, I’m shooting at stuff while chillin’ on it.

Finally finally (rules reference under obstacles):

”A ship that is overlapping an obstacle can still perform actions granted from other game effects.”

So yeah, my lady Qi’ra says my safety is off and I’m shooting.

Can you explain why you think she allows you to attack whilst on an asteroid, because she really doesn't

And this isn't 1.0 logic, it's the words straight from the rules reference. If you're ignoring the Obstacle then you've ignored it, so you cannot trigger Han as you're no longer Obstructed by an Obstacle. I don't see how there can be any room for confusion in this at all.