In the current meta of lots of large ships with ECMs this card could have been really amazing. The problem with the card in its current form is it's timing. Unfortunately its effect resolves after the enemy could already exhaust ECMs thus making MS-1 useless. If the card instead read:

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While attacking you may spend a blue die with a (crit icon) to exhaust 1 of the defender's upgrade cards.

It would be an amazing counter to the overabundant ECM spam and make ECMs not an auto include anymore.

I think the card in it's current form may still have some overlooked value if paired with a Raider 2 or CR90 B to soften up a target but I really wish the card would have been worded differently.

17 minutes ago, LordCola said:

In the current meta of lots of large ships with ECMs this card could have been really amazing. The problem with the card in its current form is it's timing. Unfortunately its effect resolves after the enemy could already exhaust ECMs thus making MS-1 useless. If the card instead read:

It would be an amazing counter to the overabundant ECM spam and make ECMs not an auto include anymore.

I think the card in it's current form may still have some overlooked value if paired with a Raider 2 or CR90 B to soften up a target but I really wish the card would have been worded differently.

I want to try it in a raiderII. Useless would be to use ECM against 3 blue dice.

Also your way would make it pretty broken I think.

You would have to change the cost to 8 at least.

So as someone who uses these regularly let me say -

For the cost, and on the right ship these are amazing upgrades. Not always needed, but they are insanely cheap. With the proliferation of cards that now use “Exhaust” (TRC, Avenger, Brunson, etc.) this card has come into its own. Previously it had very few cards it could target but now many popular options can be shut down. The cost is negligible and you may not always need it, but this isnt like not needing H9s or something - if you dont need it its not a big deal.

The right ship absolutely has to be a Raider 2 or CR90B, with heavy preference on the Raider. You position your opener (the cr90) the turn previously so you can light up their upgrade on first shot. You need to have a heavy hitter to make use of the exhaust, and this upgrade is obviously useless on big ships for that reason. I personally use it on a Raider II with gunnery teams, MS-1’s, and DCaps. I can set the board, then get two ultra long range shots to knock out the opposing (MC75/80, Star Destroyer) and follow up with my own destroyer. Its a true joy to knock out Avenger before he can activate.

The simple reality is that this upgrade is only practical on small ships, and for its cost and with the addition of new Exhaust cards it can be pretty useful.

For your upgrade - i’d say it would certainly improve the Ion Cannons - to the point where large ships enjoyed taking them - but it would need a substantial uptick in cost (5 points maybe) cause it completely negates one of The Best defensive upgrades (a 7? 8? Point card? {i dont reall use it so i dont remember}) just straight cancellation. That would cost Far more than 2 points.

This is a pretty good card already. It costs next to nothing and it works against ECM, Intel Officer, Avenger, and all the task force cards. Yeah you have to use it against a ship that hasn't activated yet (and you have to follow it up with something else if you are trying to beat ECMs) but it is pretty decent for the cost.

Of all the cards I would change it would be Heavy Turbolaser Turrets to be closer in power to XI7s.

I do like the idea being able to nullifying ECMs, because then maybe some of the other Def. Retrofits get more use. Speaking for myself I only have another upgrade in that slot on the Assault Cruiser because ECMs are also on it.

Delete. Completely out of scope !

24 minutes ago, Coranhann said:

Delete. Completely out of scope !

Is this referring to my comment? My second paragraph was about his edited MS-1 Ion Cannons.

I just use Captian Jonus and Darth Vader boarding party to counter ECM and if they don't have ECM then I can take off another upgrade that ether helps their list work or increases the offincive output of their ship making my ship that much more survivable.

2 hours ago, Piratical Moustache said:

Is this referring to my comment? My second paragraph was about his edited MS-1 Ion Cannons.

no no. I reacted too quickly, having badly read OP¨. sorry about that

On 9/22/2018 at 4:21 PM, Piratical Moustache said:

Of all the cards I would change it would be Heavy Turbolaser Turrets to be closer in power to XI7s.

I do like the idea being able to nullifying ECMs, because then maybe some of the other Def. Retrofits get more use. Speaking for myself I only have another upgrade in that slot on the Assault Cruiser because ECMs are also on it.

gawd imagine if HTT made it so the most damage brace could reduce was 1. To dream a dream.

7 minutes ago, dominosfleet said:

gawd imagine if HTT made it so the most damage brace could reduce was 1. To dream a dream.

Then there would be actual competition between XI7s and HTTs.

36 minutes ago, dominosfleet said:

gawd imagine if HTT made it so the most damage brace could reduce was 1. To dream a dream.

Unfortunately a change like this would instantly make ships relying on double-brace for survival unplayable.

40 minutes ago, PT106 said:

Unfortunately a change like this would instantly make ships relying on double-brace for survival unplayable.

maybe. I think the Lib would be fine but the neb wouldn't. I would expect the cost to become 7 at least if not 8 or 9. But, as it stands currently, 6 points is over costed for an upgrade that barely does anything.

12 minutes ago, dominosfleet said:

maybe. I think the Lib would be fine but the neb wouldn't. I would expect the cost to become 7 at least if not 8 or 9. But, as it stands currently, 6 points is over costed for an upgrade that barely does anything.

From my point of view, HTT is cooked and cannot be saved (due to double-brace issue at least), but there is certainly a design space for a turbolaser that negates brace and/or ECM.

Make it so the 1st brace spent can only reduce it by 1. Second brace could be full effect.

You think this is Meh, I want the one that forces them to discard one to be more viable.